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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post

    Critical thinking is important here since being consistent doesn't mean being correct. Years of experience means nothing if you consistently mistype people based on their physiognomy, or how they make you feel, (some examples) for years.

    He tries to spin it so his way is something fabulous which makes him appear much more 3ish than you. 3w2 so/sp specifically since he is highly image focused but spends a lot of time trying to influence others with his personality hypotheses .


    He, like many male 3w2s, sees himself and wants to be seen as an 8. You are listening to someone who has not even typed himself correctly. I think it is amusing he posted links to his background recently to reinforce his own typing because I brought it into question. This is all background information that should help in determining someone's credibility. This is more consistent with a 3 than an 8 who would feel no need to prove himself in this way.


    If you read enneagram books the distinctions will become clearer. I think with sol it is a bit different. He calls it his intuition. I am pretty sure they are using similar methods but have built up different databases of patterns they use. I agree they are both J types as sol has mentioned so I think there is a common link between them and how they type others. Sol is an E1 though so he prefers to go a step further which is why he will ask people to take his test. He does not cut corners in the same way. He wants more proof that he is correct. As you know 1s, 3s, and 5s are part of the competency triad.





    Here, let me show a description of 3 that he has posted but has not come right out and claimed to have written all by himself yet (there is a reason for this which I will get to in another post) and you tell me how much you relate. Not superficially but at your core.



    Proclaiming oneself an authority does not make one an authority. How many self proclaimed experts can you believe when they can't even agree amongst themselves? I don't see authority here at all. Just an authoritative tone. He just speaks confidently about his typings which influences some who seek authority figures. It may also be because you are only 17. Sol also speaks in an authoritative tone but between them they type you as your own dual.

    Keep in mind both primarily type celebs when it comes to VI so there is no feedback. He, like sol, does not place much emphasis on what you say about yourself, it is the VI. He already has you doubting how you come off to others. I do not believe you are putting on an intellectual persona. I think it is just how you are.

    Anyway, Celebs are people they have no interaction with. They can type them anything without fear of being questioned. If you knew the history you would see the pattern in K4s typings of forum members. Those who were here before his time, he mostly just agrees with their self type, especially if they were already in his quadra and he viewed them as higher status than him. As long as they never questioned his type that is. Questioning him hurts his feelings. I found this out the hard way. He got extremely paranoid about me when I questioned him when I was new.

    Also keep in mind he probably hasn't even VI-ed half his typing list of forum members, yet VI is his gold standard. Again, how is that an authority? I know quite a few on his list that he never laid his eyes on. He has static perceptions that rarely change. You will remain on his list as ESE, especially if you question him. He has the forum owner as ESE too which is quite strange. Then there is the matter of him now claiming stackemup enneagram even though he has never confirmed, when asked, if he was actually part of the team who did the typings. More on this in another thread.

    I am more confused than intrigued by his typing you ESE. I have an ESE sister. She has been typed ESE by Ashton who was once also seen as an authority here. Sol typed her SEI which was close enough. You do not come off ESE. That would mean you have weak Ti and Ni.

    Disclaimer: I have been recently accused of spreading disinformation when it comes to enneagram so you may keep that in mind when reading my post. All I can say to that is to read the books yourself.

    I gave up on tritype over a year ago. It was useful but after going back to the root of enneagram I found I no longer needed it. I think if you are going to look into a type then look at the wings and the integration/disintegration points. If you cannot relate to them too on some level then look at the other two types you have in your tritype and do the same. I see others are doing this more lately. If anyone is interested in my reason you can read it here:

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1262990
    Given that I've not been on the forum long, this post clarifies a number of things. Thanks for that.

    I don't think I'm naïve enough to fall for his tricks; I have every reason to be skeptical but few reasons to completely denounce his typing. Brushing his opinion off as statistical error was unreasonable since the necessary conditions for such an action would be that his means of typing are either imprecise or inaccurate. Given that he uses the same means of typing for every individual and that means is subjective, I have no method to conclude that his means are imprecise. And given that I didn't have a thorough set of examples that are clearly mistyped by him, I couldn't conclude that his means are inaccurate. That's precisely why I wanted to wait for him to justify his typing, and why I'm still not going to give up on getting answers. However, now that you've provided me some examples and reasons to doubt his typings, I can be more confident that his opinion doesn't matter or at least should not be taken seriously. To me, it's less about "seeking an authority" and more about making sure that I'm being reasonable with the information that I have. Overusing/misusing information is a huge problem some people have, and I refuse to engage in it unless it yields a useful approximation to solve a problem whose answer is already known or unless it provides some insightful intuition that should be taken as a rough analogy rather than precisely.

    I'm very aware that he's trying to be more authoritative than he actually is. I laughed when he called himself an expert since I've been browsing typology forums a while and whenever people say that they're almost certainly not. I haven't read enough of his posts to determine his enneatype yet, but you're correct in saying that a number of 3s want to see themselves as 8s. The same goes for cp 6s. I'm much more confident in my ability to type enneagram in comparison to socionics since I've done it a lot longer and have been reasonably consistent with commonly accepted typings. That's partially why I opened up my enneagram typing. It's a challenge, in a way since his use of VI in enneagram is not nearly as accepted as it is in socionics.

    Reading that type 3 description, I can relate to some aspects in my core but not others. For example, I strongly relate to the paragraph on independence, but I don't care to be admired beyond the superficial. It is my goal to be a "superior being" in the sense that I want to minimize my weaknesses while realizing my strengths. However, to perceive yourself as god-like or even strive to be so is foolish. We are all mortal humans with a limited capability, and finding that capability and flourishing within it is what leads to success - at least it has been like that in my existence. I see myself as competitive, but I pride myself on not being stupid with that sense of competition. It's about knowing your weaknesses and having the foresight to realize potential negative outcomes. I hate it when people compete for the sake of not losing. There's usually no purpose, and it comes across as false bravery (and I mentioned how much I despise that in my video). I'm also not nearly as self-confident as that post suggests 3s are. My view on the future is largely negative, and so I strive to embetter myself so as to minimize that perception. For example, as I said in my video, I'm an ambitious person. However, since I lack self-confidence, I always feel as though I'll never have the capabilities to reach those ambitions. I therefore spend copious amounts of time and effort learning and solving problems to develop my strengths so that I have enough confidence in the future to at least engage in the outside world long enough to try to see-out my goals. This is a reason why I typed myself 5 since it sounds quite like the 5->8 growth line. The reason I type myself as 3 fix is because these motivations and coping strategies are there, but they are not nearly as present as the 5s coping strategies are. I have found tritype more useful than useless when used correctly (at least for the time being), and so I'll continue to use it until that (perhaps inevitably) changes.

    The rest of your post provides me a lot of useful information. Personally, I don't care if he puts me as ESE on his list since anyone with a brain would be able to judge that that typing makes no sense. Since he hasn't responded, I'll probably pm him sometime today or tomorrow a few times. I may taunt him since 8s don't back down from challenges and 3s see themselves as better than a newbie pleb who projects an intellectual stereotype, lol. I also like messing with people and pushing their buttons - it provides me quite a bit of enjoyment.

    Thanks again.

    EDIT: I should add that if I do happen to be ESE, then that's honestly more power to me. Genuine intellectual drive coupled with the social skills of an ESE = unstoppable. I'm so great!!! /s
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