Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
@FarDraft I would argue that ILI are more pessimistic than IEI. EIE can be more pessimistic than IEI. Subtypes of ILI and SLE both need more optimistic partners to deal with their own pessimism (paraphrasing DarkAngelFireWolf69).
I'd agree that ILI are generally more pessimistic than IEI. Most of the sources indicate that as well. It's just that IEI, being irrational and dynamic and having strong Fe- (beta), would lead to quite a bit of emotional fluctuation/mood swings, meaning that periods of pessimism shouldn't be unexpected. However, overall, the subtype profiles paint them as optimistic.

Have you met another Gamma?
This is just speculation based on my impression of beta and gamma, but it seems like gamma is more prone to hate whereas beta is more prone to sadness. While negative emotion encompasses all of that, expression of that emotion is more Fe than Fi. "Dwelling" has to do with expression (e.g. writing, singing, etc.), which is why I think beta is more prone to dwelling in negative emotion than gamma.

It isn't mutually exclusive but if someone has prolonged periods of pessimism I would wonder if they are depressed.
I never specified the length of the periods (not that you explicitly accused me of doing so). For IEIs, these periods should be more like swings (at least for Fe subtype), as indicated in the subtype profiles you used. Internally contradictory, prone to abrupt mood swings: from laughter to tears and in reverse.



General pessimistic thinking would be more pronounced in ILI and EIE than IEI.
True. I think that that could be because they both have strong Ni and are negativists since not all negativists are so critical/pessimistic about future endeavours. I remember DarkAngelFireWolf69 writing about how LIIs quickly forget about past failures (in his standard description) and tend to have a more optimistic outlook (in his model G diagram). I'll see if I can find the source.