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    Quote Originally Posted by June Webb View Post
    "He is not likely to keep especially careful track of his finances, avoiding this by keeping his needs simple and constant.""'I'm not sure where I suggested we should look at this through a social justice perspective."
    Sorry, @FarDraft I deleted my post (and a part of the one you replied) because I tought it could be misunderstood. I didn't actually imply you meant that, if it sounded as it were, it's perhaps because I'm not a native english speaker so forgive me if I sound unreasonable sometimes.


    Don't worry about it. Your english is fine.

    Hmm... this is a very good description. Would you say that an LII could have "getting rich" as a goal? The person I referred would like to.

    I wasn't able to find any quotes from notable socionists relating to LII and monetary profit, but my own opinion is that, in general, LIIs would not be interested in such things. This is because they unvalue Te and Se, meaning that the practical aspects of life are subdued, with greater capital placed on others. Many of the LIIs (and alphas in general) I've spoken to say they would very gladly live a life where they are able to pursue their hobbies/passions while making enough to live reasonably comfortably. In model G, LIIs want their theories and ideas to be "profitable" in that they have practical application, but they care less about actually making money off their ideas/inventions.

    All that being said, individual differences do exist and what we do in life is largely influenced by our culture and upbringing. For example, people with parents who are doctors might be encouraged to become a doctor and so, regardless of type, there is a higher chance of this person becoming a doctor. To accurately type someone, you have to understand the underlying motivations behind why they want what they want so as to discern the structure of their thought process, which is essentially the functions they use (and probably value) most. Of course, some people have so many behavioural indications of being one type over another, but these people tend to be rare.

    "LIIs may instead have generalized goals with no specific timeframe in mind (unvalued Ni)."

    How would you say IEIs are in this question, do they plan forward or simply "irrationally" envision a future?


    My understanding of most types is relatively limited given that I've the last year or so of my time trying to determine whether I'm an LII or ILI. At the surface level, I would expect IEIs to be more irrational with respect to the future since they unvalue Te i.e. they don't care about practical affairs enough to look for profitable opportunities. They are also positivists, which means that they look for things that could be rather than things that are missing. Since they are already so attuned with dreams, this positivism can "trance" them into a world of their own, completely disconnected from reality.

    Here are some quotes that may be of interest/use:
    In contrast to ILI, the IEI is focused on ethics, and therefore he is less concerned with the problems of the material world and production; his interests lie in the development of people's emotions, relations, and potential...
    A dreamer and romantic, the IEI is easily separated from reality and taken by his thoughts into the land of images and insights, from which he derives enjoyment and meaning of his existence...
    He finds it difficult to enact the necessary measures himself – pragmatic activity is not his strongest suit – therefore he tries to orient others around him to take action...
    IEIs do not invest a lot of effort into managing their finances. He may overspend or save money without knowing what to do with it. Often IEI cannot resist purchasing beautiful and elegant things that do not have any utilitarian purposes, even if his finances do not suffice; it is difficult for him to concern with something as prosaic as money, when it is desirable to amuse himself by any means possible.

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/content.php/31-INFp-description-Filatova


    The IEI is not inclined to save up money and keep strict track of his finances. May spend substantial sums on aesthetically pleasing, from his point of view, items that aren't always useful. If he falls into financial difficulties, he knows whom to turn to for help or finds something that he can sell. In long-term relations does not forget to take into account pragmatic considerations. Poorly related to those who force him to work at an unusual and uncomfortable for him pace and rhythm. Hopes for leniency, indulgences, "smoke breaks" at work...
    But with this he also can take up and finish commercial and business projects fairly well. Flexible and resourceful, this helps him to keep his position for a long time. Not a bad manager or leader, due to fact that he can usually pick reliable associates...
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ile-by-DarkAngelFireWolf69
    Last edited by FarDraft; 03-09-2019 at 05:30 PM.
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