[VI] Help this confused dude!

[Hamouchou]

Hey fellas,

I'm pretty new here, and after answering one of the questionnaires in text, I've decided to put on a pretty long video, good luck to those who want to watch the entire thing ! I've been typed many things, so I hope that this will narrow it down to a few personalities.
I'd like to mention that I was a bit more rigid than I usually am (probably due to the position that I was in), and that I rarely use English in a non-academic context, so it might have something to do with the struggles to express myself verbally, my thought process is also more cloudy when I'm not moving around.

Disclaimer : Noises, potential boredom and long pauses.

Part 1 : https://youtu.be/_X0DLZ3EssE

Part 2 : https://youtu.be/ZeQbH2AIq-4

Part 3 : https://youtu.be/GI3KF-65m8M

Part 4 : https://youtu.be/_aj4UPoMhyI

[silke]

at the loosest typing approximation - an introverted type and an e1, at the closest one - SLI 1w9 so/sx, Normalizing subtype in DCNH

i clicked on the 3rd video to watch, and there were quite a few introverted sensing markers there right from the start

[Hamouchou]

i clicked on the 3rd video to watch, and there were quite a few introverted sensing markers there right from the start

How does Si manifest itself in these videos ?

[silke]

How does Si manifest itself in these videos ?

to quote the vid:

"I like to organize my environment in a very specific way. This drawer must contain this kind of clothes [internal check for quality]. The desk should be organized in a certain way.

I organize my environment in a monotone way."

[Hamouchou]

to quote the vid:

While I find it difficult to maintain that order (my environment can become quite chaotic fast, as I'm quite lazy, which was stated in the video several times), I'm extremely bothered by the lack of organization and find myself incapable of functioning at all. In that moment I was thinking more of how my environment "should" be, rather than how it usually is. Does this still align with Si?

[silke]

While I find it difficult to maintain that order (my environment can become quite chaotic fast, as I'm quite lazy, which was stated in the video several times), I'm extremely bothered by the lack of organization and find myself incapable of functioning at all. In that moment I was thinking more of how my environment "should" be, rather than how it usually is. Does this still align with Si?

The running joke on Russian-speaking socionics forums is that if one owns a couch - one must be SLI. It's a play on SLIs being lazy. This type is chaotic and disorganized until the right opportunity arrives - then the SLI shows amazing feats of sporadic self-organization. You might want to read about the VS cog style. I'm out of this typing discussion for now.

[Exodus]

to quote the vid:

"I like to organize my environment in a very specific way. This drawer must contain this kind of clothes [internal check for quality]. The desk should be organized in a certain way.

I organize my environment in a monotone way."

That's more Ti than Si.

[silke]

That's more Ti than Si.

hm no, I'm Ti-valuing and I can't relate to this, particularly the "monotone" part which is a statement of aesthetic, sensory perception i.e. Si evaluation of his environment - kind of why Si has been described in the past as reaching harmony and homeostasis

[Tallmo]

maybe LIE or LSE

[Hamouchou]

maybe LIE or LSE

What makes you think that I'm most likely extraverted?

[Number 9 large]

some kind of NF

[Hamouchou]

some kind of NF

Why do you have that impression ?

[Number 9 large]

Why do you have that impression ?

well definitely F type. just cuz how u look out of ur eyes and way u speak.
and N because u seem stoned af lol

[Hamouchou]

well definitely F type. just cuz how u look out of ur eyes and way u speak.
and N because u seem stoned af lol

This actually made me laugh, haha. But anyway, what are the chances of these being indicative of anything type-related at all? I'd like to mention that I was slightly tired as I recorded this video, so it might have something to do with my slow speech.

[Number 9 large]

This actually made me laugh, haha. But anyway, what are the chances of these being indicative of anything type-related at all? I'd like to mention that I was slightly tired as I recorded this video, so it might have something to do with my slow speech.

because sensors are aware of their environment more, less head in the clouds, so their eyes will be more alert and awake than with Ns

with F and T its a matter of emotional expression or vibe they give off. what exactly the vibe is should be obvious to the user of socionics.

[The Reality Denialist]

SLI seems possible.

[FDG]

SLI, ILI very likely

[Beautiful sky]

People organization is not type related

[Beautiful sky]

An S type. Would you please send me a side profile picture?

[Beautiful sky]

You're a TJ type. STJ so we have either ESTJ or ISTJ

[Hamouchou]

You're a TJ type. STJ so we have either ESTJ or ISTJ

As in LSE/SLI or SLE/LSI ? I see that you've capitalized the last letters.

[Beautiful sky]

As in LSE/SLI or SLE/LSI ? I ee that you've capitalized the last letters.

I don't see P so I see either LSE or LSI

based on what you said about shaking the boat in a relationship for reactions I say LSE

[Aylen]

You brought an interesting point. I don't think that I have Fe Polr, I see it as fairly developed. I'm pretty capable of detecting the general emotional atmosphere in a group dynamic, but I wouldn't necessarily participate in it. I'm also pretty considerate, but I don't prioritize one's needs over mine (sounds immature and selfish, but it's how I am).
Also, I'm not that agreeable and/or laid-back. It might be an impression that aquaintances or strangers have, but the people close to me have always described me as looking rigid, angry, butthurt (not necessarily a reflection of my internal state) and being quite stubborn and wanting to have things flow my way.

For a novice you should be lesser sure in your opinions about types. Besides the lack of theory understanding, until you'll check your type by IR - you may mistake in any your type's trait.

You have T type and hence weak and undeveloped Fe, compared to F types. The issues which you noticed before - with the lack of emotional selfcontrol - are almost not possible for F type. The difference between types in how good they use weak functions is not significant and especially should be not noticable for novices like you.

Seems by emotional reasons you want other type than you got from me. As you show unreasonable negativism, claim and trust to rationalizations weaker than your IQ and rationality level. With the most chance, after a time and geting of more facts you should understand your mistakes or to forget about types and hence had no problems from those mistakes.
You probably want to improve your weak regions and so may do not want to accept the perception of your real type as it may look as "boring". It's lesser "boring" in lesser accentuated variants, but you keep your type anyway and it's seen in you still. With the needed typing skills.
You'll not fool IR, - you may reject them and to close eyes on them only, as with regular typing - you'll be geting regular and significant misfiting to their theory. Generally, in case you'll be geting theory misfitings - do not hurry to think about bad theory, try to suppose about the possibility it was incorrectly applied by you.

Take lesser seriously heresies and surface noobish fantasies you are geting on typology forums. Lesser of emotions in logical region as typing will be useful too for you. Rely on your strong region - it's logics. This will reduce your mistakes. Instead of a mess which you get on Enlgish sites, for a novice is useful to start with Filatova's book from my typing recommendations.

IR test would help you, if you'd not rejected to use it without rational reasons

You get so touchy about your typings. That's so cute... Here is the excerpt (from the book you suggested to me) on SLI.

Available for purchase on amazon.com

I don't recommend buying just for the type descriptions. All the information is available here in article sections for free but if you just want the book for a summary then buy it. It will be hard for some of different cultures to relate to the examples.

[Sol]

You get so touchy about your typings.

I'm touchy about the truth and reason. As I'm relatively sure in his type, when it's rejected without reasons this inspires an anger.
Also there are not so many people on forums in which type I'm comparably sure. It's important to see their results in IR test.

[Hamouchou]

I'm touchy about the truth and reason. As I'm relatively sure in his type, when it's rejected without reasons this inspires an anger.
Also there are not so many people on forums in which type I'm comparably sure. It's important to see their results in IR test.

Dude, a skeptic attitude, as irrational as it might seem to you, is pretty understandable. I'm very justified in my skepticism towards this "truth" that you perceive, as it seems mostly intuition-based (or you didn't bother much to get into the details). Again, I'm not discrediting your input, my attitude towards it won't make it any less true (that is if it's the case) anyway.
As I've said before, your reaction seems quite exaggerated to me. I took your input into account, and I'm taking the IR test (I'm taking quite some time, I'm quite busy lately), and we'll see if it aligns with your primary typing. I'm not being some cocky noob who thinks he knows his stuff better than experienced people.

[Beautiful sky]

sorry it turns out that you are ISTp. I don't know what I was thinking yesterday...low blood pressure

[Aylen]

Yet you will tell an "IEI", for example, that it is "cute" when they express annoyance or anger with you. You are not the only one touchy about truth and reason, except there seems to be very little of either involved when it comes to typing people.

He even says he didn't reject the typing. You just took what he said too personal. I suppose this is another issue with the language barrier.

[Exodus]

Alright, I have to give @silke some credit, I do think you are SLI, though there is plenty of other, better evidence for Si. Your video was so clear that I'll go function by function:

Si: an agreeable person, avoids conflict, enjoys natural beauty as in hiking, relaxed lifestyle. dislikes extreme political views.
Te: career choice was pragmatic, not out of "passion". values competence, independence, productivity. Used the word productive about 20 times
Ni: difficulty with setting long-term goals. choice of career also was situational rather than to serve some larger purpose. cautious, not a risk taker. difficulty answering vague or abstract questions, especially about yourself.
Fe: seen as serious, was very introverted, preferring being alone
Ne: feeling that you've somehow "led a boring life" and not lived up to your potential was a recurring theme. Actually, making plans for the future as you talked about it was more Ne than Ni as I see it. Noncommittal when it comes to your views.
Fi: "butthurt"/angry expression by default, perhaps seen as standoffish. Had difficulty with the "what do you look for in a relationship" question, but also mentioned how you may intentionally distance people when you want to.
Se: seen as more active than you are. can retaliate in conflict if necessary. lazy? dislikes high-pressure team sports.
Ti: again, the organization thing. studious.

There were only a couple of bits that seemed strange. One is how you admire confrontational people despite being a pacifist yourself. I think it's unlikely that you value Se for many reasons but perhaps you could explain.

Another thing that would be interesting to see is how active you actually are, given that you say others perceive you as highly active and productive. LSE might be within the realm of possibility but is less likely.

[Hamouchou]

There were only a couple of bits that seemed strange. One is how you admire confrontational people despite being a pacifist yourself. I think it's unlikely that you value Se for many reasons but perhaps you could explain.

While I think that I do value a more Si approach, I feel like confrontation is a necessity to advance in life. I try to be understanding, compromising and see many perspectives. Sadly, most of the time it isn't mutual, which produced this impression that this pseudo pacifist approach might not be that great for me. I mean sure, it's definitely gathered alot of respect from many people, but I still see it as a hindrance sometimes (Ideally, it wouldn't be the case, but reality differs, from my experience). This "realization" made me admire to an extent confrontational, not-so-agreeable people and wish to possess some of their traits.

Of course, I'm talking about people who aren't confrontational for the sake of it and can be compromising when it's necessary. I despise the other kind for their unwillingness to set aside their ego like an adult is supposed to do and react to anything that they perceive as a threat to their ego or whatever with disproportionate reactions such as "u wot m8?". I get highly confrontational with this type and make sure that they know their place.

Another thing that would be interesting to see is how active you actually are, given that you say others perceive you as highly active and productive. LSE might be within the realm of possibility but is less likely.

I'm seen as active as people associate my ability to produce results, combined with my serious demeanor with high activity and hard work. It's not the case at all in reality.

Used the word productive about 20 times

Legit lol'd.

[Kill4Me]

LSI-Ti 9w1 sp/sx is clear as day...

[Hamouchou]

LSI-Ti 9w1 sp/sx is clear as day...

Where are you seeing heavy Ti?

[Kill4Me]

You clearly fit the VI template for LSI-Ti, the serious-leisurely gestalt of 9w1 and the VI for sp/sx. Let me officially welcome you to VI-ville here at 16types where K4M has laid down the toughest gauntlets in town...if you don't use VI then you're doing MBTI, not socionics. Remember, a house without a foundation is a castle in the sky. So when you can show me your VI templates for each type and subtype in order to demonstrate an adequate, reality-based foundation for your assertions, then you can become a player and get my ear...and I know whatever you come up with won't top mine because I reworked the labyrinth many times before landing upon the conceptually, structurally, logically flawless masterpieces you will find below. So as I say, it's best to just accept the typing I gave you and thank me for helping you to clear up any confusion you might have about your type, kind sir. I know a lot more about this stuff....

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[Hamouchou]

it's best to just accept the typing I gave you and thank me for my time kind sir. I know a lot more about this stuff.... welcome to VI-ville here where everybody runs through K4M's gauntlet...if you don't use VI then you're doing MBTI, not socionics. When you can show me VI templates for each type and subtype which lay an adequate foundation for your assertions, then you can become a player and get my ear...and I know whatever you come up with won't top mine because I reworked the labyrinth many times before landing upon the conceptually, structurally, logically flawless masterpiece which you will find below.

All in.

When you can show me VI templates for each type and subtype which lay an adequate foundation for your assertions, then you can become a player and get my ear

Where in the world did I ever state any argument ? It was an innocent question. What an extremely disproportionate and exaggerated response, jesus. Are you trolling, or it's just me being a noob who's unable to accept the absoltue truth discovered by your holiness ?

Your response is extremely repulsive, but I'll take your input into account, purely because all inputs are equal, not because I value your experience or anything. You should know that your overly cocky attitude is highly offputting and is very likely to make no one take what you write seriously (even if it can be true), but I bet that you've been confronted with such opinions already, and probably don't care at all.

[Lord Pixel]

I think you are LII, or SLI. I thought ILI for a second until you said you can't keep long term goals.

When you say you were 2 mature for you age and that your childhood was boring does make me think SLI over LII though.

[Adam Strange]

I think you are LII

Well, that makes two of us.

[Ryan]

Well, that makes two of us.

Three.

I laughed when he talked about being the favourite child and wanting to be perfect. I was like that as a kid as well. I actually think that is part of what makes most LIIs unfit to deal with shady stuff since they very rarely push boundaries and make an effort to cross the law/their guardians without reason. But you need that experience, since most people in society don't actually follow all the rules, and you need to know which ones gets you punished and which ones gets you rewarded. You may find yourself in a position where you have to cross the law at some point and you wouldn't know how to get out of it unscathed since you never tried. Ex. Edawrd Snowden. Though I'm not sure what his type is, but I have seen him typed LII and I think it's a possibility. Unlike LSIs, who can go too far according to Renin "Sometimes real-world notions like visas, traffic rules, criminal code and other social realities may fall in the zone of ignoring. This may cause 'unexpected' problems, even imprisonment." This is actually something the only Renin mentions and not in detail so I'm not too sure about its accuracy, but it's something I picked up on myself as well.

[Hamouchou]

I laughed when he talked about being the favourite child and wanting to be perfect. I was like that as a kid as well. I actually think that is part of what makes most LIIs unfit to deal with shady stuff since they very rarely push boundaries and make an effort to cross the law/their guardians without reason.

Interesting point. I wonder how much of it is upbringing and/or shit Se related in my case.

[Hamouchou]

So, I've been told and noticed that my body language and the way I speak are quite different when I'm moving around(and really, it's the only way for me to feel truly comfortable). I'd like to record a second video while moving around, but I'm not sure if anyone will tolerate the shaky cam and movements.