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  • ESE (ESFj)

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Thread: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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    We should spend it on more gyms for he and his bros. Maybe some PUA endorsements
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    If you don't love America, then why don't you just LEAVE!!!!!!

    I'm guessing he also thinks if someone can't afford health care or a house, we should just let them remain sick and homeless. I guess we can't afford otherwise.

    What exactly does he think the money should get spent on, if not helping the most vulnerable in society? What can be more important than that?

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    Definitely ILE, it's interesting that everyone who gets it correct knows that the others know their Socionics for getting this correct.

    For the record, ILE Ray Dalio wrote a book Principles: Life & Work decomposing everything wants to know about finance.
    https://www.principles.com/
    He also has a Causal-Deterministic "Big Picture" stream telling you how the economic machine works. I'm extremely impressed.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0

    I'm a Trump supporter who types him as a fellow Gamma quadra LIE but even I noticed after listening to ILE's Stephen Colbert, Ray Dalio, Richard Branson, Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Howard Stern, Conan O'Brien, Mark Cuban, Steven Crowder, AOC, etc. That Trump's style naturally matches his INTJ (edit: ILI) daughter Ivanka and ESFP (edit: SEE) son Don Jr., while excluding his LII son Eric. He isn't meshing with error-correction and observational feedback. It's a "trust the plan" type of deal instead of "Listen to the plan, imaginatively inject your self-image into the plan, observe possible damage and exceptions to self-image resulting from plan, give feedback" deal that would actually complete the Self-Reflection Loop by not only reflecting on the sequence of events but imagining alternative ways it could turn out.

    All that is just to say that AOC and other ILE's have a time and a place in the LIE planning process but it's just the nature of our party system and political landscape that we have to character assassinate people fulfilling their natural roles as if it's a left versus right issue instead of a Quadra conflict and mental block internal to each side.
    Last edited by hatchback176; 10-24-2019 at 05:42 PM. Reason: I think in terms of MBTI, edits for Socionics type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    We should spend it on more gyms for he and his bros. Maybe some PUA endorsements
    Yeah. Or maybe we can spend it on plane tickets, so everyone who doesn't love America can go and move to a foreign country.

    'Cause, you know, getting up and moving to a foreign country is so easy. All you need is a ticket.
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    Why do people say ep. She looks so stiff and rigid

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    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - ESTP Zhukov

    Last edited by khcs; 07-03-2020 at 12:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingslayer View Post
    Why do people say ep. She looks so stiff and rigid

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    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - ESTP Zhukov





    Last edited by khcs; 07-03-2020 at 12:29 PM.

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    Mark my words: in 20 years from now, when she has released all aggressive energy and has become more authentic, relaxed and tolerant, we will all type her IEE.
    “I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking

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    Stewardess shares the same type as AOC - ESTP Zhukov


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    i don't know but i have noticed is not her thing. she is alpha or beta.

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    I feel like she's Gamma SF. If not, then NF Beta or Delta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oath of solitude View Post
    I feel like she's Gamma SF. If not, then NF Beta or Delta.
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    I believe she's said something along the lines of "it's more important that something's morally right than factually true" before. I get a Delta vibe from her myself.

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    IEE or LSE would be my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMFAO View Post
    ... I get a Delta vibe from her myself.
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    IEE or LSE would be my guess.
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    Be gone, penis-head

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    Quote Originally Posted by oath of solitude View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raver View Post
    I suppose I could buy her as someone with strong and valued so EIE is a possibility even though I lean towards for her. However, I just cannot buy her as any logical type because most of the criticism for her seems to stem from her weak logic.
    Yes, but they aren't valid attacks on her logic. The majority are baseless. She cites facts, stats, and a big picture. She's outgoing. She provides directives. She's basically saying:"Hey you all, we should be going that way." She's big picture, but she's not basing her arguments on how people are feeling. She's basing arguments on stats and developments and innovations in tech and in society. She has an existentialist rallying cry vibe.

    "Budgets are moral documents" in a firm tone is pretty fucking Gamma.
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    So SLE, confirmed?

    I'd say Se subtype. She has a hint of SEE-Se here and there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMFAO View Post
    I believe she's said something along the lines of "it's more important that something's morally right than factually true" before. I get a Delta vibe from her myself.
    That would be merry quadra, not ethical type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    That would be merry quadra, not ethical type.
    Really? Because it sounds like it'd describe most INFjs I've met, but maybe it just seems like that from my point of view because that's how I picture their thought processes.

    Side note: Her quote on that seems so laughable to me. How could anything be more important than something actually being factually true? Like imagine being in math class & the teacher says what's 2+2? & You say 5 & she says the answer's 4 & you say but 5 feels more morally right & she says but it's not factually true then you say so what's your point? That's about as much sense as her statement makes to me. Lol

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    Weak logic type, extrovert, Fe/Ti valuing
    ESE, EIE, SEE, IEE imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanashi View Post
    Yes, but they aren't valid attacks on her logic. The majority are baseless. She cites facts, stats, and a big picture. She's outgoing. She provides directives. She's basically saying:"Hey you all, we should be going that way." She's big picture, but she's not basing her arguments on how people are feeling. She's basing arguments on stats and developments and innovations in tech and in society. She has an existentialist rallying cry vibe.

    "Budgets are moral documents" in a firm tone is pretty fucking Gamma.
    Nothing bolded is dependent on being a logical type at all. Even the things not bolded are not limited to logical types at all.

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    EFxx of some sort, but most clearly of all So/Sp - loves to smear people. Leaning towards EIE, if only as her being my beneficiary makes sense because I cannot take her seriously at all. The strange awkward intenseness mixed with her being ambiguous about wording when she conveys a narrative - very Beta NF. Knows how to manipulate a narrative with words, but clearly manipulating details to fit the narrative (e.g., using purposefully ambiguous wording). Not a healthy Beta NF either IMO, but w/e. People like her for some reason.

    Like I said, any EFxx is realistic. Not logical type at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMFAO View Post
    I believe she's said something along the lines of "it's more important that something's morally right than factually true" before. I get a Delta vibe from her myself.
    More Beta NF than Delta NF though. Narrative (Ni/Fe) > "Facts" (Te/Si)

    Delta NFs care about facts, they just aren't the best at using them. Delta NFs don't care about an argument having an internal logical consistency.

    Beta NF:

    Narrative, narrative, narrative. The narrative is internally consistent, but you're listening asking "is any of this ACTUALLY true?"

    Delta NF:

    Fact, fact, fact. The individual facts may be correct (to a degree), but the argument they are constructing with the facts to lead to a certain conclusion is poor. You're listening asking, "is it really valid to infer THAT from that?"

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