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    One of the major issues I have with typing as an IEI is that they're usually described as people who don't care too much about productivity, setting goals or achievement at work. I'm personally obsessed with how productive or unproductive I am and my whole sense of self worth depends on it. I set goals for myself to ensure growth and developing my skills, that could help me achieve success in my career. I like to organize my time to make sure I stay on track, I'll be productive and develop as a useful person who is ambitious. I make things like daily plans, to do lists and write down my achievements and further future goals to keep track of my failures and success and to motivate me to push myself harder to work.

    What are other IEI's experiences regarding productivity and work?


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    I think you’re IEE final, Freya. FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    I think you’re IEE final, Freya. FWIW.
    Nothing to worry, though. Most IEE's can still lead creative quasi-productive life.

    I think ignoring rears its ugly head in this thread.
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    Hm. It really might not necessarily fit into the type schematic. I'm most possibly (although very fluctating in my belief of where i fit) SLI, and i only value the productivity of my own mind, or my internality. External productivity is only an occasional manifestation of that. My room is messy, my schedules are messy, my relationships are messy, the only clearings are in my reflections. Seems like you are quite different, valuing both internal and external productivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    One of the major issues I have with typing as an IEI is that they're usually described as people who don't care too much about productivity, setting goals or achievement at work. I'm personally obsessed with how productive or unproductive I am and my whole sense of self worth depends on it. I set goals for myself to ensure growth and developing my skills, that could help me achieve success in my career. I like to organize my time to make sure I stay on track, I'll be productive and develop as a useful person who is ambitious. I make things like daily plans, to do lists and write down my achievements and further future goals to keep track of my failures and success and to motivate me to push myself harder to work.

    What are other IEI's experiences regarding productivity and work?
    Ne is goal focused. Ne is IEIs ignoring function which means they intentionally or not defer to others here than make a conscious effort like the diligent ones you describe.

    So maybe possibly perhaps reconsider Alpha or Delta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    Ne is goal focused.
    How is Ne goal focused? If Ne is goal focused then why are Super Ego Ne's so accomplished and hard working? In this regard, is Se merely the momentum of achievement, Te merely the means of productivity/efficiency? Furthermore, why is Ni not goal oriented where Ne is? Are ILIs layabouts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous Lynx View Post
    How is Ne goal focused? If Ne is goal focused then why are Super Ego Ne's so accomplished and hard working? In this regard, is Se merely the momentum of achievement, Te merely the means of productivity/efficiency? Furthermore, why is Ni not goal oriented where Ne is? Are ILIs layabouts?
    ILIs tend to keep most activity in their heads.

    I disagree with what you said about Ne superegos only because I haven't seen evidence of it yet. Se can just be keeping busy with physical activities a bit.

    Ni is process-oriented and rationally deductive and contemplative in an examination sort of way. "I wonder ..." is Ni.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    ILIs tend to keep most activity in their heads.

    I disagree with what you said about Ne superegos only because I haven't seen evidence of it yet. Se can just be keeping busy with physical activities a bit.

    Ni is process-oriented and rationally deductive and contemplative in an examination sort of way. "I wonder ..." is Ni.
    As you say, but that doesn't address the actual core question. How/why is Ne the goal oriented function?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous Lynx View Post
    As you say, but that doesn't address the actual core question. How/why is Ne the goal oriented function?
    By definition in my understanding it is by default.

    Going beyond MBTI and socionics, true Ne is actually:

    Ruled by Pisces the mutable water sign which is extroverted/above the horizon as the 12th sign of the zodiac - it sees the overall picture/belief/concept/intuition/image/ideal and end of a matter, including submission to a higher goal or state of being.

    I realize there are many theorists with different including contradictory-from-each-other definitions out there.

    By contrast Ni is square aspect to Pisces and ruled by mutable air below horizon Gemini 3rd House intellectual details and focuses more on facets of comprehension over the big picture. It perceives time and incremental changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freya View Post
    One of the major issues I have with typing as an IEI is that they're usually described as people who don't care too much about productivity, setting goals or achievement at work. I'm personally obsessed with how productive or unproductive I am and my whole sense of self worth depends on it. I set goals for myself to ensure growth and developing my skills, that could help me achieve success in my career. I like to organize my time to make sure I stay on track, I'll be productive and develop as a useful person who is ambitious. I make things like daily plans, to do lists and write down my achievements and further future goals to keep track of my failures and success and to motivate me to push myself harder to work.

    What are other IEI's experiences regarding productivity and work?
    This sounds somewhat more like Se than Te, though arguably it involves both. The drive to achieve something and get things done is really more Se IMO.

    Some IEIs are more active about this than others, for example Alexander Grothendieck is an example of a highly productive IEI, he worked for something like 8 years straight on a mathematical theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    This sounds somewhat more like Se than Te, though arguably it involves both. The drive to achieve something and get things done is really more Se IMO.

    Some IEIs are more active about this than others, for example Alexander Grothendieck is an example of a highly productive IEI, he worked for something like 8 years straight on a mathematical theory.
    I find the creative types who lean heavily on creative function are more go-getters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaqen View Post
    I find the creative types who lean heavily on creative function are more go-getters.
    For Grothendieck, he would have been relying on his mobilizing function (Ti).

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    Actually, now when I think of it, this doesn't need to be related to the enneagram at all. The fact that I'm driven, goal focused and tend to think about my productivity a lot is probably because of my strong 3 wing and it doesn't relate to Te or Se or any other function at all. I guess IEI 4w5s would be very different regarding this than 4w3s.


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