Let's discuss SLE

[Beautiful sky]

1. Able to make lasting relations
2. Protective. From an SLE friend "You can recognize an ESTP by his tribes. They have many groups loyal to them, like my crew for the last 12 years, my team in the office. Older ESTP’s, i.e. over 40 years old, also tend to have deeper meaningful relationships (Fe-Ni). We are protectors of the people in our tribe. The people under my wing have a lion at the gate.
I still feel responsible for people who worked in my team many years ago. If their current manager doesn’t treat them well, I will kick his ass. I see the same with two ESTP managers and I love to see how they operate!"
3. Like using humor more.
4. Strive to provide the highest quality in goods and service.
5. Work at something for a very long time. Work in science diligently. Dedicate to something they take pleasure in for a long time Ni.
6. Can be extremely frugal living on a skimpy means.
7. Humor, funny, even in subtle ways.
8. Sympathetic
9. Want to be LOVED so they are among the most sympathetic types.
10. Strong...consistently physically train at something "If we have fear it would be to be a coward.There were times when it would be much smarter to run away from danger but I tend to stay because running away would make me feel weak."
11. Can make harsh or rude jokes that may offend sensitive Fi types like "I can make a cruel joke with my Fi blind-spot. Like at high-school a girl would ask me if I like dogs and I would say: yes, medium done with ketchup." AND "Or if they ask me why I don’t give money to a beggar, my Se-Ti responds by saying he should not beg but do something useful to make money. Not a joke but that’s just how I think." Fi finds this harsh because one should love and care for dogs and the homeless are in such a circumstance for various reasons and don't make fun of the unfortunate. have some compassion
12. Positive-Silver lining kind of person

[Memento Mori]

An ennobling and attractive representation. Also, at least 90% snipes my best friend.

Sorry Y'all, we can't all have the best Dual

[Beautiful sky]

An ennobling and attractive representation. Also, at least 90% snipes my best friend.

Sorry Y'all, we can't all have the best Dual

Wonderful!
Would you happen to have observations that you can add to my list? (Ever expanding)

[Itsme]

Sorry Y'all, we can't all have the best Dual

don't have to rub it in my face

[FDG]

Now, able to make lasting relationships, mostly only with people from their 'clan'...

[sbbds]

Now, able to make lasting relationships, mostly only with people from their 'clan'...

Sometimes you remind me of this slender old LIE-looking lady I saw at my dentist’s office once. She chastised me for talking to my mom in a way she didn’t approve of, and I told her she should sit down so the dust wouldn’t fall out of her vagina.

[Eliza Thomason]

Sometimes you remind me of this slender old LIE-looking lady I saw at my dentist’s office once. She chastised me for talking to my mom in a way she didn’t approve of, and I told her she should sit down so the dust wouldn’t fall out of her vagina.

Fi failure.

[sbbds]

Fi failure.

It’s mutual 1D Fi winning / Charlie Sheen

[PussyInASarcophagus]

Fi failure.

That story made me LOL. More like Delta Fi failure.

And the LIE seems stuck up. Maybe it's just a cultural thing but for a supposed Fi ego, I don't really have concerns over how people express themselves like that, unless it's out of place and tacky

[vesstheastralsilky]

Now, able to make lasting relationships, mostly only with people from their 'clan'...

& quick to kick nonquadra members out, in my real life experience. And I didn't even mention Trump. Ok. Now I did.

[Myst]

Now, able to make lasting relationships, mostly only with people from their 'clan'...

In other cases what happens in your experience?

[FDG]

In other cases what happens in your experience?

In my experience - they'll be fine with you one-on-one but may try to socially bully you when in presence of their "true" friends or such.

Not that I'm the master at choosing who to hang out with, mind you.

[Living 2Day]

In my experience - they'll be fine with you one-on-one but may try to socially bully you when in presence of their "true" friends or such.

Not that I'm the master at choosing who to hang out with, mind you.

I agree with this perspective. The ESTp that I knew well, would frequently show off and put on a facade when in public or with friends. (Se) However, in personal interaction, he was somewhat insecure and 'soft'.

[sbbds]

I get that this is trying to be positive about your conflictor but idk.

Yes we can make positive lasting relations, if our Fe HA is good enough. But we don’t ever have good control over this per se, except post facto. I can’t really just fabricate good relations like strong ethical types can. If I have a good relationship with someone, it’s that I happen to have been put into a situation close together with them, we inherently get along and I (or they) haven’t messed it up yet.

I cannot speak for all SLEs, I guess I’m a more sensitive “harmonizing” type SLE, but when I get close to someone and let them in, it really takes a lot and I let them deep in to register them as part of my “clan” or whatever (really I think this stereotype is stupidly overblown just because of the image of team sports, and we’re mostly lone wolf independent type people at the core). I think about how to give people I care about objective positive benefit in their life, so that probably helps with keeping good relations.

[Beautiful sky]

I get that this is trying to be positive about your conflictor but idk.

Yes we can make positive lasting relations, if our Fe HA is good enough. But we don’t ever have good control over this per se, except post facto. I can’t really just fabricate good relations like strong ethical types can. If I have a good relationship with someone, it’s that I happen to have been put into a situation close together with them, we inherently get along and I (or they) haven’t messed it up yet.

I cannot speak for all SLEs, I guess I’m a more sensitive “harmonizing” type SLE, but when I get close to someone and let them in, it really takes a lot and I let them deep in to register them as part of my “clan” or whatever (really I think this stereotype is stupidly overblown just because of the image of team sports, and we’re mostly lone wolf independent type people at the core). I think about how to give people I care about objective positive benefit in their life, so that probably helps with keeping good relations.

I have great examples of sle in ltr joe Biden, Gordon Ramsey

[sbbds]

I have great examples of sle in ltr joe Biden, Gordon Ramsey

Why are you responding with this lol

I didn’t say we couldn’t have ltr. My point is just that the wording of “make” good relations is questionable.

Post if you want though...

[Beautiful sky]

Why are you responding with this lol

I didn’t say we couldn’t have ltr. My point is just that the wording of “make” good relations is questionable.

Post if you want though...

Well making lasting relationships has partly to do with acceptance of others. I find that sle can accept their kids for being different (example gay) because of the concept of the tribe.

[sbbds]

Well making lasting relationships has partly to do with acceptance of others. I find that sle can accept their kids for being different (example gay) because of the concept of the tribe.

Why must it be called “tribe” just because of Fe Se? Why can’t it just be the regular concept of family?

[Adam Strange]

I get that this is trying to be positive about your conflictor but idk.

Yes we can make positive lasting relations, if our Fe HA is good enough. But we don’t ever have good control over this per se, except post facto. I can’t really just fabricate good relations like strong ethical types can. If I have a good relationship with someone, it’s that I happen to have been put into a situation close together with them, we inherently get along and I (or they) haven’t messed it up yet.

I cannot speak for all SLEs, I guess I’m a more sensitive “harmonizing” type SLE, but when I get close to someone and let them in, it really takes a lot and I let them deep in to register them as part of my “clan” or whatever (really I think this stereotype is stupidly overblown just because of the image of team sports, and we’re mostly lone wolf independent type people at the core). I think about how to give people I care about objective positive benefit in their life, so that probably helps with keeping good relations.

I actually feel exactly the same way about lasting relations. This is probably a result of both LIE’s and SLE’s having 1D Fi and 2D Fe.

[sbbds]

11. Can make harsh or rude jokes that may offend sensitive Fi types like "I can make a cruel joke with my Fi blind-spot. Like at high-school a girl would ask me if I like dogs and I would say: yes, medium done with ketchup." AND "Or if they ask me why I don’t give money to a beggar, my Se-Ti responds by saying he should not beg but do something useful to make money. Not a joke but that’s just how I think." Fi finds this harsh because one should love and care for dogs and the homeless are in such a circumstance for various reasons and don't make fun of the unfortunate. have some compassion

This is really unrealistic. I would say something like, “The poor are systematically oppressed, but so am I.”

12. Positive-Silver lining kind of person

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[FDG]

This is really unrealistic. I would say something like, “The poor are systematically oppressed, but so am I.”


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Actually the dog joke is something ILEs or Lies are more likely to do imho

SLEs are a bit more sensitive about social clues

[PussyInASarcophagus]

Beta ST would probably beat the shit out of their kids if they were to come out as gay unless they were the more liberal kind.

I really like SLEs for the most part. However, there may be some things that do matter. They don't really see this however and that tendency to be frugal is detestable.

I cannot find a concrete reason to dislike them, as I do with ILEs or even some SEEs. Maybe for some who are too concerned about the needs of their tribes?

[sbbds]

Beta ST would probably beat the shit out of their kids if they were to come out as gay unless they were the more liberal kind.

False.

I would have thrown you into the forest, to be eaten by a gay bear.

Or straight into the dumpster right outside of the hospital room LOL. Right when I catch a glimpse of that rainbow umbilical cord.

Jk I’m extremely liberal and have volunteered at LGBT parades.

[Beautiful sky]

Jk I’m extremely liberal and have volunteered at LGBT parades.

Beta ST would probably beat the shit out of their kids if they were to come out as gay unless they were the more liberal kind.

I really like SLEs for the most part. However, there may be some things that do matter. They don't really see this however and that tendency to be frugal is detestable.

I cannot find a concrete reason to dislike them, as I do with ILEs or even some SEEs. Maybe for some who are too concerned about the needs of their tribes?

I don't type by stereotypes. Notice I said "can be" instead of "are" I use "are" when I see a huge tendency...

Why must it be called “tribe” just because of Fe Se? Why can’t it just be the regular concept of family?

because tribes have certain camaraderie to them right? Certainly to them

[PussyInASarcophagus]

I don't type by stereotypes. Notice I said "can be" instead of "are" I use "are" when I see a huge tendency...

That was me being funny, guess only sbbds got it though. Not sure what do you mean by that, observations aren't stereotypical.

[Beautiful sky]

On the explanation of the "tribe" because they are on other teams rather than just family, like sport team and office team.

[Chthonic Daydream]

"Let's discuss SLEs"
Let's not. We wouldn't want their Se to get pumped up even further now, would we?
Naturally, when they're discussed, only good things are left to be said about them.

Seriously now, most of them are great. They are less intimidating than you'd think, and more afraid of you than you are of them! Feed them plenty, take them on daily walks and keep them entertained through Fe-style fuckassery, and they'll curl up on your lap (menacingly).

[sbbds]

"Let's discuss SLEs"
Let's not. We wouldn't want their Se to get pumped up even further now, would we?
Naturally, when they're discussed, only good things are left to be said about them.

Seriously now, most of them are great. They are less intimidating than you'd think, and more afraid of you than you are of them! Feed them plenty, take them on daily walks and keep them entertained through Fe-style fuckassery, and they'll curl up on your lap (menacingly).

Like a pet insect. Run your fingers through my silky cockroach hairs.

[Chthonic Daydream]

Like a pet insect. Run your fingers through my silky cockroach hairs.

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[Beautiful sky]

Haha

"Let's discuss SLEs"
Let's not. We wouldn't want their Se to get pumped up even further now, would we?
Naturally, when they're discussed, only good things are left to be said about them.

Seriously now, most of them are great. They are less intimidating than you'd think, and more afraid of you than you are of them! Feed them plenty, take them on daily walks and keep them entertained through Fe-style fuckassery, and they'll curl up on your lap (menacingly).

[Beautiful sky]

Also I’m not trying to be positive . I’m a positivist type. I see the goodness first

[Living 2Day]

I had an ESTp-Se friend for much of high school and college. He currently attends college on a football scholarship and is employed as a security officer.

He had his own 'clan', which often included members of the high school football and basketball team. He greatly enjoyed the camaraderie and physical contact aspects of the sport environment.

He was quite egotistical, stubborn, and 'loud', occasionally appearing arrogant. He was also much into fashion, specifically accessories.

He was not 'bossy' or domineering. Traits that I find more common in ESFps and ISTjs.

He did not date/sleep around. He dated two girls, whom I thought both were ESFps. Eventually, he tried to secretly hit on my ISFj-Se girlfriend, which led to the dissolution of our friendship.

[PussyInASarcophagus]

I had an ESTp-Se friend for much of high school and college. He currently attends college on a football scholarship and is employed as a security officer.

He had his own 'clan', which often included members of the high school football and basketball team. He greatly enjoyed the camaraderie and physical contact aspects of the sport environment.

He was quite egotistical, stubborn, and 'loud', occasionally appearing arrogant. He was also much into fashion, specifically accessories.

He was not 'bossy' or domineering. Traits that I find more common in ESFps and ISTjs.

He did not date/sleep around. He dated two girls, whom I thought both were ESFps. Eventually, he tried to secretly hit on my ISFj-Se girlfriend, which led to the dissolution of our friendship.

Looks like he made you feel insecure imo

[Living 2Day]

Looks like he made you feel insecure imo

How so?

[PussyInASarcophagus]

How so?

By being overly abrasive, domineering and expressive.

[Living 2Day]

By being overly abrasive, domineering and expressive.

I had an ESTp-Se friend for much of high school and college. He currently attends college on a football scholarship and is employed as a security officer. Objective

He had his own 'clan', which often included members of the high school football and basketball team. He greatly enjoyed the camaraderie and physical contact aspects of the sport environment. Objective

He was quite egotistical, stubborn, and 'loud', occasionally appearing arrogant. Subjective- negative He was also much into fashion, specifically accessories. Objective

He was not 'bossy' or domineering. Traits that I find more common in ESFps and ISTjs. Subjective- positive

He did not date/sleep around. He dated two girls, whom I thought both were ESFps. Eventually, he tried to secretly hit on my ISFj-Se girlfriend, which led to the dissolution of our friendship. Objective

I provide organized information of my personal experience with an individual that I identify as an ESTp which correlates to the conversation. I hope my experience may be useful. I do not care about your feelings.

Overly abrasive
I am not insulting the ESTp or others. I am listing basic facts about him, in addition on how he came across by me and his peers.
Example of overly abrasive: He was a person that spent the majority of his allowance on shoes, socks, headbands, and sport gear; that flunked high school and represented your stereotypical jock. Objective

Domineering
I do not see how I am establishing or provoking any power play.
Example of domineering: He resembled a little brother to me, correlating to benefactor and beneficiary. He frequently asked for my advice, money, and car rides. Objective

Expressive
To better and directly communicate my message.
I am not even sure if this is a negative in an online forum context...

[sbbds]

Looks like he made you feel insecure imo

The funny thing is with some people you only have to imply they’re insecure to make them start feeling and acting insecure.

[karas]

Your normal everyday SLE

[Lord Panda]

Ime, SLEs are sweet, almost saccharine. They're like polar bears that give hugs or something. They have a sense of duty towards the people they love. I kind of tend to see them as providers, in the same vein as LSIs... A whole lot of bravado, you have to realize the whole of the beta quadra is somewhat theatrical and not just EIEs. They like dramatic displays of emotion and like being in an emotionally charged environment.

Betas in general tend to have a "fuck the system" mentality and you see this in SLEs most overtly. I don't necessarily mean rioting in the street or something, more like doing things in an unconventional way. Alphas are like that too, but Betas tend to be more "in your face" about it.

The ones I know are real gentlemen/ladies and they are surprisingly submissive as well. My brother is an SLE and he never says "no" to any of my whims. I've seen him accompany me and look bored to death, but he never says no.

Respect is also a big deal, give and take respect, but you also need to be able to command respect. This is more for LSIs, I think (not sure). They're aware of power dynamics and so can easily become a protector of the weak. Aristocratic? Yes. Snobbish? No. As for the whole `clan` thing... it's probably true? It's more like wanting to be in a place where I get to make all the rules, where everyone knows their place, where I'm respected and my worth is acknowledged, etc. Betas tend to like hierarchical systems. I think Deltas are also very clan-ish in that sense? (not sure)

What do you think @sbbds accurate or am I mistaken?

[sbbds]

Ime, SLEs are sweet, almost saccharine. They're like polar bears that give hugs or something. They have a sense of duty towards the people they love. I kind of tend to see them as providers, in the same vein as LSIs... A whole lot of bravado, you have to realize the whole of the beta quadra is somewhat theatrical and not just EIEs. They like dramatic displays of emotion and like being in an emotionally charged environment.

Betas in general tend to have a "fuck the system" mentality and you see this in SLEs most overtly. I don't necessarily mean rioting in the street or something, more like doing things in an unconventional way. Alphas are like that too, but Betas tend to be more "in your face" about it.

The ones I know are real gentlemen/ladies and they are surprisingly submissive as well. My brother is an SLE and he never says "no" to any of my whims. I've seen him accompany me and look bored to death, but he never says no.

Respect is also a big deal, give and take respect, but you also need to be able to command respect. This is more for LSIs, I think (not sure). They're aware of power dynamics and so can easily become a protector of the weak. Aristocratic? Yes. Snobbish? No. As for the whole `clan` thing... it's probably true? It's more like wanting to be in a place where I get to make all the rules, where everyone knows their place, where I'm respected and my worth is acknowledged, etc. Betas tend to like hierarchical systems. I think Deltas are also very clan-ish in that sense? (not sure)

What do you think @sbbds accurate or am I mistaken?

Very accurate. People have compared me to a (polar) bear many times in IRL, have called me soft, soft-hearted, etc. Thanks very much for this! Lol