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    1. Able to make lasting relations
    2. Protective. From an SLE friend "You can recognize an ESTP by his tribes. They have many groups loyal to them, like my crew for the last 12 years, my team in the office. Older ESTP’s, i.e. over 40 years old, also tend to have deeper meaningful relationships (Fe-Ni). We are protectors of the people in our tribe. The people under my wing have a lion at the gate.
    I still feel responsible for people who worked in my team many years ago. If their current manager doesn’t treat them well, I will kick his ass. I see the same with two ESTP managers and I love to see how they operate!"
    3. Like using humor more.
    4. Strive to provide the highest quality in goods and service.
    5. Work at something for a very long time. Work in science diligently. Dedicate to something they take pleasure in for a long time Ni.
    6. Can be extremely frugal living on a skimpy means.
    7. Humor, funny, even in subtle ways.
    8. Sympathetic
    9. Want to be LOVED so they are among the most sympathetic types.
    10. Strong...consistently physically train at something "If we have fear it would be to be a coward.There were times when it would be much smarter to run away from danger but I tend to stay because running away would make me feel weak."
    11. Can make harsh or rude jokes that may offend sensitive Fi types like "I can make a cruel joke with my Fi blind-spot. Like at high-school a girl would ask me if I like dogs and I would say: yes, medium done with ketchup." AND "Or if they ask me why I don’t give money to a beggar, my Se-Ti responds by saying he should not beg but do something useful to make money. Not a joke but that’s just how I think." Fi finds this harsh because one should love and care for dogs and the homeless are in such a circumstance for various reasons and don't make fun of the unfortunate. have some compassion
    12. Positive-Silver lining kind of person
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    An ennobling and attractive representation. Also, at least 90% snipes my best friend.

    Sorry Y'all, we can't all have the best Dual
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous Lynx View Post
    An ennobling and attractive representation. Also, at least 90% snipes my best friend.

    Sorry Y'all, we can't all have the best Dual
    Wonderful!
    Would you happen to have observations that you can add to my list? (Ever expanding)
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous Lynx View Post
    Sorry Y'all, we can't all have the best Dual
    don't have to rub it in my face

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    Now, able to make lasting relationships, mostly only with people from their 'clan'...
    Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

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    I get that this is trying to be positive about your conflictor but idk.

    Yes we can make positive lasting relations, if our Fe HA is good enough. But we don’t ever have good control over this per se, except post facto. I can’t really just fabricate good relations like strong ethical types can. If I have a good relationship with someone, it’s that I happen to have been put into a situation close together with them, we inherently get along and I (or they) haven’t messed it up yet.

    I cannot speak for all SLEs, I guess I’m a more sensitive “harmonizing” type SLE, but when I get close to someone and let them in, it really takes a lot and I let them deep in to register them as part of my “clan” or whatever (really I think this stereotype is stupidly overblown just because of the image of team sports, and we’re mostly lone wolf independent type people at the core). I think about how to give people I care about objective positive benefit in their life, so that probably helps with keeping good relations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Now, able to make lasting relationships, mostly only with people from their 'clan'...
    Sometimes you remind me of this slender old LIE-looking lady I saw at my dentist’s office once. She chastised me for talking to my mom in a way she didn’t approve of, and I told her she should sit down so the dust wouldn’t fall out of her vagina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    11. Can make harsh or rude jokes that may offend sensitive Fi types like "I can make a cruel joke with my Fi blind-spot. Like at high-school a girl would ask me if I like dogs and I would say: yes, medium done with ketchup." AND "Or if they ask me why I don’t give money to a beggar, my Se-Ti responds by saying he should not beg but do something useful to make money. Not a joke but that’s just how I think." Fi finds this harsh because one should love and care for dogs and the homeless are in such a circumstance for various reasons and don't make fun of the unfortunate. have some compassion
    This is really unrealistic. I would say something like, “The poor are systematically oppressed, but so am I.”

    12. Positive-Silver lining kind of person
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    I get that this is trying to be positive about your conflictor but idk.

    Yes we can make positive lasting relations, if our Fe HA is good enough. But we don’t ever have good control over this per se, except post facto. I can’t really just fabricate good relations like strong ethical types can. If I have a good relationship with someone, it’s that I happen to have been put into a situation close together with them, we inherently get along and I (or they) haven’t messed it up yet.

    I cannot speak for all SLEs, I guess I’m a more sensitive “harmonizing” type SLE, but when I get close to someone and let them in, it really takes a lot and I let them deep in to register them as part of my “clan” or whatever (really I think this stereotype is stupidly overblown just because of the image of team sports, and we’re mostly lone wolf independent type people at the core). I think about how to give people I care about objective positive benefit in their life, so that probably helps with keeping good relations.
    I have great examples of sle in ltr joe Biden, Gordon Ramsey
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    I have great examples of sle in ltr joe Biden, Gordon Ramsey
    Why are you responding with this lol

    I didn’t say we couldn’t have ltr. My point is just that the wording of “make” good relations is questionable.

    Post if you want though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Why are you responding with this lol

    I didn’t say we couldn’t have ltr. My point is just that the wording of “make” good relations is questionable.

    Post if you want though...
    Well making lasting relationships has partly to do with acceptance of others. I find that sle can accept their kids for being different (example gay) because of the concept of the tribe.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Beta ST would probably beat the shit out of their kids if they were to come out as gay unless they were the more liberal kind.

    I really like SLEs for the most part. However, there may be some things that do matter. They don't really see this however and that tendency to be frugal is detestable.

    I cannot find a concrete reason to dislike them, as I do with ILEs or even some SEEs. Maybe for some who are too concerned about the needs of their tribes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    This is really unrealistic. I would say something like, “The poor are systematically oppressed, but so am I.”


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    Actually the dog joke is something ILEs or Lies are more likely to do imho

    SLEs are a bit more sensitive about social clues
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    I get that this is trying to be positive about your conflictor but idk.

    Yes we can make positive lasting relations, if our Fe HA is good enough. But we don’t ever have good control over this per se, except post facto. I can’t really just fabricate good relations like strong ethical types can. If I have a good relationship with someone, it’s that I happen to have been put into a situation close together with them, we inherently get along and I (or they) haven’t messed it up yet.

    I cannot speak for all SLEs, I guess I’m a more sensitive “harmonizing” type SLE, but when I get close to someone and let them in, it really takes a lot and I let them deep in to register them as part of my “clan” or whatever (really I think this stereotype is stupidly overblown just because of the image of team sports, and we’re mostly lone wolf independent type people at the core). I think about how to give people I care about objective positive benefit in their life, so that probably helps with keeping good relations.
    I actually feel exactly the same way about lasting relations. This is probably a result of both LIE’s and SLE’s having 1D Fi and 2D Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PussyInASarcophagus View Post
    Beta ST would probably beat the shit out of their kids if they were to come out as gay unless they were the more liberal kind.
    False.

    I would have thrown you into the forest, to be eaten by a gay bear.

    Or straight into the dumpster right outside of the hospital room LOL. Right when I catch a glimpse of that rainbow umbilical cord.

    Jk I’m extremely liberal and have volunteered at LGBT parades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Well making lasting relationships has partly to do with acceptance of others. I find that sle can accept their kids for being different (example gay) because of the concept of the tribe.
    Why must it be called “tribe” just because of Fe Se? Why can’t it just be the regular concept of family?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post

    Jk I’m extremely liberal and have volunteered at LGBT parades.


    Quote Originally Posted by PussyInASarcophagus View Post
    Beta ST would probably beat the shit out of their kids if they were to come out as gay unless they were the more liberal kind.

    I really like SLEs for the most part. However, there may be some things that do matter. They don't really see this however and that tendency to be frugal is detestable.

    I cannot find a concrete reason to dislike them, as I do with ILEs or even some SEEs. Maybe for some who are too concerned about the needs of their tribes?
    I don't type by stereotypes. Notice I said "can be" instead of "are" I use "are" when I see a huge tendency...

    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Why must it be called “tribe” just because of Fe Se? Why can’t it just be the regular concept of family?
    because tribes have certain camaraderie to them right? Certainly to them
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    On the explanation of the "tribe" because they are on other teams rather than just family, like sport team and office team.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Sometimes you remind me of this slender old LIE-looking lady I saw at my dentist’s office once. She chastised me for talking to my mom in a way she didn’t approve of, and I told her she should sit down so the dust wouldn’t fall out of her vagina.
    Fi failure.
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
    ........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........


    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
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    "Let's discuss SLEs"
    Let's not. We wouldn't want their Se to get pumped up even further now, would we?
    Naturally, when they're discussed, only good things are left to be said about them.

    Seriously now, most of them are great. They are less intimidating than you'd think, and more afraid of you than you are of them! Feed them plenty, take them on daily walks and keep them entertained through Fe-style fuckassery, and they'll curl up on your lap (menacingly).
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    I don't type by stereotypes. Notice I said "can be" instead of "are" I use "are" when I see a huge tendency...
    That was me being funny, guess only sbbds got it though. Not sure what do you mean by that, observations aren't stereotypical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Fi failure.
    It’s mutual 1D Fi winning / Charlie Sheen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumes View Post
    "Let's discuss SLEs"
    Let's not. We wouldn't want their Se to get pumped up even further now, would we?
    Naturally, when they're discussed, only good things are left to be said about them.

    Seriously now, most of them are great. They are less intimidating than you'd think, and more afraid of you than you are of them! Feed them plenty, take them on daily walks and keep them entertained through Fe-style fuckassery, and they'll curl up on your lap (menacingly).
    Like a pet insect. Run your fingers through my silky cockroach hairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Fi failure.
    That story made me LOL. More like Delta Fi failure.

    And the LIE seems stuck up. Maybe it's just a cultural thing but for a supposed Fi ego, I don't really have concerns over how people express themselves like that, unless it's out of place and tacky

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Like a pet insect. Run your fingers through my silky cockroach hairs.
    More like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumes View Post
    "Let's discuss SLEs"
    Let's not. We wouldn't want their Se to get pumped up even further now, would we?
    Naturally, when they're discussed, only good things are left to be said about them.

    Seriously now, most of them are great. They are less intimidating than you'd think, and more afraid of you than you are of them! Feed them plenty, take them on daily walks and keep them entertained through Fe-style fuckassery, and they'll curl up on your lap (menacingly).
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Also I’m not trying to be positive . I’m a positivist type. I see the goodness first
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Now, able to make lasting relationships, mostly only with people from their 'clan'...
    & quick to kick nonquadra members out, in my real life experience. And I didn't even mention Trump. Ok. Now I did.
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    I had an ESTp-Se friend for much of high school and college. He currently attends college on a football scholarship and is employed as a security officer.

    He had his own 'clan', which often included members of the high school football and basketball team. He greatly enjoyed the camaraderie and physical contact aspects of the sport environment.

    He was quite egotistical, stubborn, and 'loud', occasionally appearing arrogant. He was also much into fashion, specifically accessories.

    He was not 'bossy' or domineering. Traits that I find more common in ESFps and ISTjs.

    He did not date/sleep around. He dated two girls, whom I thought both were ESFps. Eventually, he tried to secretly hit on my ISFj-Se girlfriend, which led to the dissolution of our friendship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Now, able to make lasting relationships, mostly only with people from their 'clan'...
    In other cases what happens in your experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    In other cases what happens in your experience?
    In my experience - they'll be fine with you one-on-one but may try to socially bully you when in presence of their "true" friends or such.

    Not that I'm the master at choosing who to hang out with, mind you.
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    Your normal everyday SLE

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    Ime, SLEs are sweet, almost saccharine. They're like polar bears that give hugs or something. They have a sense of duty towards the people they love. I kind of tend to see them as providers, in the same vein as LSIs... A whole lot of bravado, you have to realize the whole of the beta quadra is somewhat theatrical and not just EIEs. They like dramatic displays of emotion and like being in an emotionally charged environment.

    Betas in general tend to have a "fuck the system" mentality and you see this in SLEs most overtly. I don't necessarily mean rioting in the street or something, more like doing things in an unconventional way. Alphas are like that too, but Betas tend to be more "in your face" about it.

    The ones I know are real gentlemen/ladies and they are surprisingly submissive as well. My brother is an SLE and he never says "no" to any of my whims. I've seen him accompany me and look bored to death, but he never says no.

    Respect is also a big deal, give and take respect, but you also need to be able to command respect. This is more for LSIs, I think (not sure). They're aware of power dynamics and so can easily become a protector of the weak. Aristocratic? Yes. Snobbish? No. As for the whole `clan` thing... it's probably true? It's more like wanting to be in a place where I get to make all the rules, where everyone knows their place, where I'm respected and my worth is acknowledged, etc. Betas tend to like hierarchical systems. I think Deltas are also very clan-ish in that sense? (not sure)

    What do you think @sbbds accurate or am I mistaken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post
    Ime, SLEs are sweet, almost saccharine. They're like polar bears that give hugs or something. They have a sense of duty towards the people they love. I kind of tend to see them as providers, in the same vein as LSIs... A whole lot of bravado, you have to realize the whole of the beta quadra is somewhat theatrical and not just EIEs. They like dramatic displays of emotion and like being in an emotionally charged environment.

    Betas in general tend to have a "fuck the system" mentality and you see this in SLEs most overtly. I don't necessarily mean rioting in the street or something, more like doing things in an unconventional way. Alphas are like that too, but Betas tend to be more "in your face" about it.

    The ones I know are real gentlemen/ladies and they are surprisingly submissive as well. My brother is an SLE and he never says "no" to any of my whims. I've seen him accompany me and look bored to death, but he never says no.

    Respect is also a big deal, give and take respect, but you also need to be able to command respect. This is more for LSIs, I think (not sure). They're aware of power dynamics and so can easily become a protector of the weak. Aristocratic? Yes. Snobbish? No. As for the whole `clan` thing... it's probably true? It's more like wanting to be in a place where I get to make all the rules, where everyone knows their place, where I'm respected and my worth is acknowledged, etc. Betas tend to like hierarchical systems. I think Deltas are also very clan-ish in that sense? (not sure)

    What do you think @sbbds accurate or am I mistaken?
    Very accurate. People have compared me to a (polar) bear many times in IRL, have called me soft, soft-hearted, etc. Thanks very much for this! Lol

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    Here’s the explanation: If you’re stronger than almost everyone else, and you don’t go out of your way to make yourself look weak and to help others, you’re basically just a douche.

    That’s the average SLE psyche in a nutshell IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Very accurate. People have compared me to a (polar) bear many times in IRL, have called me soft, soft-hearted, etc. Thanks very much for this! Lol
    Your welcome^^

    I think SLE is one of the most misconstrued types out there... they're painted as brutes, like Gaston from 'The Beauty and The Beast.' I think PoLR Fi hits SLE harder than ILEs. Because Betas want to command respect, not being respected would be a huge deal. SLE tend to minimize Fi. A good example of PoLR Fi in a Bad SLE is like Charlie Sheen in 'Two and A Half Men.' There's a scene where his therapist asks him to describe his feelings for his mother, his brother and his nephew. His response is "Pissed off, pissed off and sad." Throughout the show it is implied that his mother has greatly damaged him to a point where he can't have normal relations with a woman.

    But that's also the thing... because of PoLR Fi, he doesn't care to admit that he does have damaged relationships with people. I think this is why IxE come off as kind of socially awkward. Because they don't care to check up on this. With SLE's forceful Se approach, it comes off as more heavy handed. This doesn't mean immorality... Charlie is portrayed as being downright naive sometimes, and it's shown there are worse people in the world than him. He has a desire to do good as well, even through his issues. He's not a good representative of the type for sure, but he does show the vulnerable side of SLE...

    I had someone tell me they wanted to be SLE because SLE are badass... they wouldn't know the mountain of duty and responsibility that would come from that. I like to think the IEIs run the Beta quadra secretly... SLE's dual is the IEI, not a very practical or driven type. So you would imagine they would have the skills to compensate for that.
    "My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"



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    The ethical core of the Beta quadra is the IEI. The SLE has the will power and strength to shape the world in the image of the IEIs vision. It is a very 'world builder' kind of type... like Atlas supporting the weight of the world on his shoulders. I am biased lol and I may be romanticizing it xD
    "My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post

    Your welcome^^

    I think SLE is one of the most misconstrued types out there... they're painted as brutes, like Gaston from 'The Beauty and The Beast.' I think PoLR Fi hits SLE harder than ILEs. Because Betas want to command respect, not being respected would be a huge deal. SLE tend to minimize Fi. A good example of PoLR Fi in a Bad SLE is like Charlie Sheen in 'Two and A Half Men.' There's a scene where his therapist asks him to describe his feelings for his mother, his brother and his nephew. His response is "Pissed off, pissed off and sad." Throughout the show it is implied that his mother has greatly damaged him to a point where he can't have normal relations with a woman.

    But that's also the thing... because of PoLR Fi, he doesn't care to admit that he does have damaged relationships with people. I think this is why IxE come off as kind of socially awkward. Because they don't care to check up on this. With SLE's forceful Se approach, it comes off as more heavy handed. This doesn't mean immorality... Charlie is portrayed as being downright naive sometimes, and it's shown there are worse people in the world than him. He has a desire to do good as well, even through his issues. He's not a good representative of the type for sure, but he does show the vulnerable side of SLE...

    I had someone tell me they wanted to be SLE because SLE are badass... they wouldn't know the mountain of duty and responsibility that would come from that. I like to think the IEIs run the Beta quadra secretly... SLE's dual is the IEI, not a very practical or driven type. So you would imagine they would have the skills to compensate for that.
    I think Gaston is probably a messed up LSE. The Beast is closer for SLE (a misunderstood hairy beast).

    Charlie Sheen is a typical manchild SLE. Male SLEs get hit hard by society like other logician males since usually they aren’t given enough positive incentive to express their emotions and to introspect about themselves. IIRC Charlie Sheen is guilty of sexual harassment or misbehaviour, which is immoral unfortunately. If you don’t learn to deal with people and emotions, something’s going to give eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karas View Post
    Your normal everyday SLE
    Kinda sorta looks LSE ish
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post
    I had someone tell me they wanted to be SLE because SLE are badass... they wouldn't know the mountain of duty and responsibility that would come from that.

    Right. Every ounce of “power” in reality has to be balanced out with service to others for it to be maintained.

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