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Last edited by FarDraft; 07-24-2019 at 03:03 AM.
----- FarDraft, 2020
If it’s possible to have two subtypes based on your main two functions isn’t it possible to have a million or so based on your society upbringing parents schools personal experiences and personal impressions on your psyche?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Perhaps, but that concept would be useless in practice since each factor of your past couldn't be catalogued into a logical theory. Socionics isn't meant to explain every aspect of your personality but the basic aspects of your cognition; subtypes based on functions are useful for specifying those mechanisms.
If it were the case, then we wouldn't have a theory, we would have a database since the purpose of a cognition theory is to synthesize the factors that lead to particular cognitive preferences. A subtype for each factor would be useless.
----- FarDraft, 2020
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
What I mean is that socionics is a theory built around determining one's cognitive preferences and abilities. We use functions to measure these. A two subtype system allows us to more precisely delineate the types without the difficulty of introducing too many variables; therefore, they should allow us to type people more accurately, which makes for a more useful system (up to a point). The line we draw in determining how many subtypes we have is arbitrary but should be based on how accurate they allow us to type others and how little they debilitate the system. In other words, having a million subtypes may be incredibly accurate but would also not be useful since we no longer have a theory but rather a sequence of data points we use to describe an individual.
----- FarDraft, 2020
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Do you have an expressive pic?![]()
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 01-05-2019 at 01:21 AM.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
While the critic is just a label, I would say it describes my mentality pretty well. Essentially, I won't believe someone unless they can convince me beyond a reasonable doubt with logic and evidence that something is true. For example, if someone is making an argument that some character acted in a certain way in a novel because of R reason, they must provide ample evidence E and precise explanations for how E leads to R. Moreover, they must explain why E doesn't lead to a different reason R2 or if it does then why R2 isn't correct. In other words, I expect very precise explanations and conclusions from people who claim something to be the truth in an academic setting. I'm more lax in casual settings since it's unwise to assume people have such preparation, but I have no problem continually poking logical or practical holes in another person's idea or plan. I have very high standards for determining truth.
I make plans quite often (many per day). I like an efficient use of time, so I think through what needs to be done and how long it should take. Moreover, I think through alternative and contingency plans should there be an unexpected event. I plan since it's usually more effective than improvising - I'm also better at planning than I am at improvising. This is the main reason why I concluded that I have Ne ignoring - I can use it in private but struggle to use it in public under pressure.
Most of my energy is directed inwards - I spend most of my time reading, thinking, planning, and writing. However, my goals are related to the outside world - I want to lead a corporation to make significant profits in the future. I study in the present to make sure I'm competent enough in the future (type 5 motivation). Overall, I'm a pretty passive person since most of the things I do are enclosed to myself. In the future, though, I know that I'll have to be more active in the outside world should my ambitions become a reality.
EDIT: I want to make clear that I'm definitely capable (and rather strong at) reading between the lines but that in some circumstances we need rigour, precision, and high standards in order to confirm truth. This can be logical or empirical depending on what is required. E.g. in math, logic is obviously the most important. In science and all other real world scenarios, logic is a tool used to connect pieces of evidence so empiricism is more important.
EDIT 2: In retrospect, I don't think I plan so much as I look ahead. I'm constantly thinking about the order in which I should do things so as to minimize time as well as what's needed for each task. These are "plans" since I have to make some decisions beforehand, but they're mostly just "future-conjectures".
EDIT 3: I don't think my use of the word plan was correct. I'm not actually a very structured person even though, in retrospect, it feels like my wording indicates that I am. It's much more just seeing out which order I should do my work. Less strict planning or structuring at all.
Last edited by FarDraft; 07-24-2019 at 03:00 AM.
----- FarDraft, 2020
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The way I view it, is that if you are (for example) an ILI-Te, then quite simply, your Te is going to be more pronounced and more equal to your base function, while suppressing your Fi and slightly enhancing your Se, almost like rearranging the elements without actually doing so. Is there an actual scientific way of demonstrating this? Maybe, if we had enough information and examples, but currently it's really just conjecture. As are IEs.
A Te subtype per my archetypes would make you the Natural Scientist/Philosopher subtype, kind of monk-like in speculations.
The Ni subtype is like a data or linguistic auditor who is always checking for what is present and what is missing ... Kind of like Pat Sajak from Wheel of Fortune.
The reason for this per my research is the Ni is more security oriented like Cancer archetype in search of what is pure and waxing and waning with realizations and recognitions like Cancer's ruler the Moon. The Te subtype is definitive with a more Libra archetype in that it seeks intimate understanding and intellectually equitable harmonies.
This post is wholly dependent on my own research findings rather than reciting subtype definitions others have devised. I don't know how well my thoughts align with what's out there, on that note.
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
Socionics can never be scientifically verified or falsified since it's not an empirical theory. It's all a conjecture, like you said. Whether subtypes are useful for expanding on its original ideas is therefore the more important question. By that definition, I think it's possible I have the Te subtype, but I'm not sure about suppression of Fi. I can be quite good at understanding close interpersonal relations and value acting on my proper understanding unless it isn't the priority. For example, I may understand the nuances of a person's feelings based on what they say or how they act and will act accordingly unless it's in a business situation or something like that where individual feelings matter less.
----- FarDraft, 2020
I'm definitely certain of being an intuitive type. The only sensing type I would consider is LSI, and I don't think it's likely since I have an LSI friend who is very different than me in terms of cognition and behaviour. I'm thinking about Ni subtype because of the stronger Fi, but I would still need to contemplate more before deciding.
----- FarDraft, 2020
To be clear, it is not Ni that is Cancer but the introverted emphasis on an introvert that is Cancerian in nature.
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
According to my understanding DCNH extrapolates the traits outside of group representation and generalizes them. I have problems of understanding exact formation process so I assume that so called group behavior was just an initial stage of theory forming.
Therefore there are supposedly going to be dominant normalizing subsubtypes who are going to take the role of dominant in N & N relations (which are supposedly to be very common) as there are going to be more submissive normalizing subsubtypes. It means power distribution is almost never going to be equal between individuals. The level where DCNH supposedly operates is difficult to say. I'd say look at the representation. If the person is idiosyncratic in terms thinking and in society in comparison to other type members then it is going to be C etc.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ILI-Ni has stronger Ni,Ne,Fi,Fe, ILI-Te has stronger Te, Ti, Se, Si compared to ILI with no subtype. I think it is important to consider everything (functional strength, behavioral change, subtype description). I also think ILI-Te will appear less IPish. I think if you think that your type fits you like a glove than you may not have a subtype. Do you think ILI descriptions fit you perfectly? If not, in what aspects?
My conclusions: you are definitely not without erudition![]()
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
If i remember correctly you seemed like Creative subtype in your video.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I guess that's possible. I haven't found a good resource on the functional implications of DCNH, so I haven't thought too much about it. I've only seen articles that refer to the effects it has on behaviour. Do you have any suggestions for where to read up on DCNH and the effect on the cognitive functions?
----- FarDraft, 2020
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I think DarkAngelFireWolf69 wrote that harmonizing and normalizing subtypes tend to keep very large interpersonal distances between each other.
If most people are like alien does it make one H subtype?Since most people are N types.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
NO Private messages, please. Use Discord instead.
That seems reminiscent of social introversion and extraversion. Social introverts tend to keep larger psychological distances whereas social extraverts don't usually do that. However, I have met obvious social introverts who are very open about their feelings on first contact (probably sx subtype) and obvious social extroverts who are very private. So I guess this theory doesn't work. It would probably be (non-causally) related to the strength and value of Fi as well as instinctual subtypes.
----- FarDraft, 2020
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
NO Private messages, please. Use Discord instead.
Please excuse him he types on behavior and idealistic expectations
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html