Social etiquette

[safa]

Hi,

which IE in socionics is related to setting which behaviors are acceptable or not? like how you should act/or what you should say in a certain situation

also, which types are more likely to enforce such rules?

[Aster]

Fi, I believe. But Se would be the type to want to enforce them. Ne would be more flexible. Could also be related to the social instinct.

[safa]

Fi, I believe. But Se would be the type to want to enforce them. Ne would be more flexible. Could also be related to the social instinct.

Why is that? as per wikisocion:

Fi is generally associated with the ability to gain an implicit sense of the subjective 'distance' between two people, and make judgments based off of said thing.

in short, it is about whether you like or dislike someone/something, so how did Fi include etiquette? why it isn't Fe?

[Aster]

Why is that? as per wikisocion:

in short, it is about whether you like or dislike someone/something, so how did Fi include etiquette? why it isn't Fe?

I think Fi is more than about liking/disliking and distance. In socionics, it’s also associated with morals and what is good and bad. Fe is more about emotions. What you are describing to me sounds like an introverted rational function. You might be talking more about Ti.

Ethics of Relationships (R)
Moral categories – good – evil, ideology, morals, morality, decency, religion, conscience, good – bad.
Attraction – obtrusiveness, tiresomness, dislike, repulsion, attachment, psychological distance, inclination.
Feelings expression – undue familiarity, tactfulness, diplomacy, mercy, tenderness, indulgence, tolerance, ability not to hurt, humaneness.
Feelings – kindness, envy, anger, love – hatred, sympathy – antipathy, compassion.
Peoples’ relationships – animosity, friendship.

Ethics of Emotions (E)
Agitation – fervour, indignation, nervousness, dormancy, pressing, emotional experience, depression, calmness, passion, ecstasy.
Stimulus to action – inner impulses, mood, determination, fanaticism, energy, enthusiasm.
Expressing emotions – artistry, hot temper, impetuosity, intonation, use of superlatives in speech (ugly, sinister, remarkable, disgusting, charming, marvelous, spectacular), weeping, restraint, ability to control emotions.
People’s emotions - admiration, wrath, mood, insult, panic, sorrow, joy, romanticism, fear, anxiety.

I would think what your describing might even have more to do with Ti than Fe:
Logics of Relationships (L)
Dimension – more-less, long – short, parameter, distance, commensurability, comparison, standard.
Understanding – analysis, detail, synthesis, universality.
Order – leveling, classification, control, sequence, to range, strictness, register.
System – regularity, hierarchy, organization, cause and effect relations, theory.
Structure – positional relationship of objects, interrelations, construction, subordination, position, correlation, chart.
Formal logics – algorithm, distance, proof, “if – then”, law, instruction, informatics, cybernetics, mathematics, official relations, rights and duties, rules (including etiquette), programming, equality, justice, statistics, equation.

-http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/content.php/25-Aspects-Semantics-(Prokofieva)

EII https://vimeo.com/129286088
ESI https://vimeo.com/135807263 -

(talks about etiquette in these vids if I remember right, haven’t watched in a while. Think it was ESI one playing Miss Manners) edit: @ 8:02

[sbbds]

SF types

[Aster]

You might find this thread of interest

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...re-of-Fi/page4

Here they are debating whether Fi is etiquette. Start on post #33. I forget how to link directly to certain posts.

[Exodus]

It really depends. If it's about general "good manners" and the attitude you're presenting then it would be Fe. Probably this is closer to what is meant by etiquette. But if it's about, say, how you should treat someone (or how you have mistreated them) then it would be more Fi.

[Sanguine Miasma]

This sounds very ethical. I would not associate Ne/Se in here. After seeing few EII's and their tendency to move towards ethical guidance + that aristocratic rational delta thing. It highly depends on the role the person adopts.

Etiquette seems quite artificial construct (= social control device/aristocratic) and therefore I'm leaning towards EIX types more than ESX types.

[Minde]

Hi,

which IE in socionics is related to setting which behaviors are acceptable or not? like how you should act/or what you should say in a certain situation

also, which types are more likely to enforce such rules?

This depends on what is considered "acceptable behaviors." I would think that each quadra would have differing ideas of what's good etiquette. As for enforcement, I would guess that the sensors are more likely to do that, though any of the ethicals are likely to throw their weight around somewhat effectively as well as be aware of the nuances of a situation. Logicals vary, but when they get offended it can run deep and strong.

The Se quadras are more likely to be serious about obeying rules; the Ne quadras are likely more messy in that regard. That said, ESEs can have strong opinions and care very much about such things. And Gamma is much more a "march to the beat of your own drum" - though they also tend to think that their drum is by far the best and everyone else would do well to adopt theirs though of course they won't advertise that because they're also ok with being independent. In every quadra, the rationals will probably care about "good behavior" more than the irrationals, too.

[consentingadult]

Hi,

which IE in socionics is related to setting which behaviors are acceptable or not? like how you should act/or what you should say in a certain situation

also, which types are more likely to enforce such rules?

Sociologically speaking, and in a broader sense, all rational functions deal with this matter. Rational types are more likely to enforce rules, because it is their tendency to regard their POV as something that does not allow for any other option. To paraphrase what I said in one of my blogs:

"Irrationals perceive reality as a multiverse of universes, where each universe stands for a phenomenon that exists in its own right and in comparative freedom from other phenomena. For Rationals, with their emphasis on rational information elements, there is only one universe, which is made up of interrelated phenomena. Thus, for irrationals, their base function is about self-realizations of phenomena, whereas for rationals, their base function is about optimal adjustment of phenomena to a system."

It is tempting to think that enforcement of rules requires Se, but rules can also be enforced without Se. Take, for example the attitude of EIIs to shut out anyone who offended them.