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The last long MBTI test I took came up with INTP. I have usually tested INFP or J or INTP or J on self-tests.
My real type is SEI-Si. This is due to cognitive analysis of functional meanings, my own deeply involved years of multifaceted research, intertype relations with all types, some parts of profiles with added reasoning, and Model A. And vi from multiple sources.
I find self tests to be biased toward Se over Si and assume S types are less imaginative than many like myself can be. I will make a post about more on my experiences with having Si lead soon.
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Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
I'm already taking a survey that will address this correlation, among other things. I assure you I will be thorough, including seeking correlations with reinin dichotomies.
Sure, leave the thread up as you ask some specifics I won't be addressing.Originally Posted by FarDraft
But if someone doesn't have time to answer all my questions, I can use whatever they do provide. Some data is better than none.
I'm LSE-Si1 N. LSE I've known since the day I learned socionics existed. Si took a long time to figure out and it's not a strong subtype. I don't really know DCNH, but people say I'm N.
I'm not clear on my MBTI type. I've gotten ISTJ, ISTP, and ESTJ. I figure I can take the average and go with ISTJ. I'm definitely an ST type. And it tends to mistake me for an introvert. But irl people do too.
I'll make a whole thread about it.
Alright. Please do so this week. I'd like this to be my last week of gathering responses.
I usually score INTJ in both, but I tend to have the low energy of INTPs in both. Description wise, INTP in both.
MBTI - INFP
Socionics - IEI Ni Creative Subtype
I think MBTI is only about dichotomies and the functions are only secondary. I work with functions more when it comes to socionics, and the basic dichotomies/temperaments as well. My biggest argument for IEI against EII right now is that I mostly relate to Ip temperament and am definitely irrational type.
Same. Ip temperament as well. I don't think the quadra should be taken very seriously as they are mostly speculative in theory and should not be the basis of one's self-identity. Actually, I think dominant function and temperament are generally good indicators overall. After that I think interests and other traits are more relevant.
Update: the 1st MBTI tests I took multiple times between the ages of 15-19 scored me as INFP. Yet consider also this: ISFP is the Artist in MBTI, it takes a lot of imagination and idea orientation wrt space to create good art e.g. composing songs singing or painting or dancing, and these things have been a part of my behavior ever since earliest youth. I am squeamish and keenly body sensitive more than most. There must be a million other reasons at this point I chose SEI even though adapting to adulthood and life circumstances just to get by in the USA forced me to develop many other functions. Intertype relations was the final deciding factor for many many relationships. Also I used to make people I knew take type tests for years. So I have seen some type accurate and others spin their results due to subtypes and socialization adaptation factors and test biases.
I also believe I reached Jungian full individuation of my psyche by age 40. I relate to ISFP INFJ INTP ISTP and INTJ profiles most.
Last edited by vesstheastralsilky; 11-26-2018 at 01:40 PM.
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
ISTP in most tests.
SLI all the tests 1Te or 0(no sub) from tests, D subtype from reading DCNH descriptions.
Tests, VI, theory, descriptions, information elements, IRs.
ISTP on most tests
LSI 1-2 Se from most tests, C subtype from reading LSI subtype descriptions. Been told to consider LIE, as well
Discussion with more informed members, reading about aspects of information elements in different positions, survey answers, and descriptions of how different types of programs communicate
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I'm interested in this, too. I think there's too much confidence in the J/P switch for the introverts and it confused me badly when I first came to Socionics.
My MBTI type: ISFP - came to that from a year of studying Myers Briggs functions and considering various types. I could see myself using all 8 functions, and it was hard to tell which ones were most dominant. First test result got me INTJ, and I was very much stuck in analyzing mode during that point of my life, but over time it didn't sit right with me. Then I considered ENTJ (that consideration didn't last long LOL), then INFJ, then INTP, then ENFP, then INFP, then ENTP (as you can see, I went all over the place).....being a sensor was the last thing I wanted for myself, lol, but once I admitted that possibility, ISFP seemed like an obvious choice. It was the last type I wanted to see myself as, but it really was most in alignment with how I naturally think and act - being attuned to the physical environment and how it makes me feel on an aesthetic/emotional/personal level, constantly. And, being skilled at manipulating the physical environment to my personal artistic preferences.
My Sociotype - SEI - came to Socionics and at first assumed I must be ESI, but that confused the crap out of me because I had already experienced conflict with confirmed LIEs, and duality with confirmed ILEs. Eventually I realized there wasn't necessarily a J/P switch and settled into my SEI typing quite happily. SEIsounds a lot like MBTI Fi+Se, to me, I don't know where people get the J/P switch from! Imo, MBTI does a slightly better job of explaining the ISFp personality than Socionics does, in terms of it's 'free-spirited-ness', even if it's Socionics that gets the information elements and intertype relations correct. Socionics makes ISFp sound plain and homely, but we are weird/crazy/nerdy alpha-quadra types at heart, even if we're not always confident at expressing it. We want to abandon tradition and try things just for the sake of pleasure and novelty, otherwise we wouldn't even be Ne-suggestive.
I'm curious if other SEIs relate?
And I've had people try to tell me that since I'm SEI, I must be ISFJ in myers briggs...but that typing sounds so very Gamma-quadra to me?? I can't relate to it at all, I'm not service-oriented, traditionalist, dutiful/disciplined (wish I were - that's a good quality), concerned with hierarchy and societal structures, preoccupied with morality, longing for structure and routine and 'the right, prescribed way' of doing things - none of the qualities attached to ISFJ.
I've since questioned my Sociotype many times, especially considering ESE and SEE, but SEI pans out as the most accurate. I've thought it through in terms of Information Elements, all of the translated type descriptions online that I can find, and each intertype relation.
Subtype Fe1 - I relate to both SEI subtype descriptions a lot honestly, but just slightly more to the Fe-subtype description. I don't know my DCNH subtype for sure right now.
for myself it's quite easy, I don't use MBTI anymore, it's plain junk wich was made by some bunch of psychollogical fallacy, melted with moral POV, a discret need to discredit sensor and making INFP as god while the author probably mystiped herself because she was trying to feel it's cool to be P instead of J.
there is no correlation to be made, MBTI should just be abandonned.
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