Typing tip..

[Hamada]

Also happen to be a life tip.

Just because someone is confident and/or insult opinions of others openly, criticize other for irrelevant details (to the topic of discussion ) or is insistent with his efforts, it doesnt mean his/her opinion is right (or wrong).

[Sol]

thanks, cap
you may to have F type if think that primitive resume as important revelation

the tips for you
- to do not doubt in something it needs be objectively proved, but not just said by someone
- you need to have good experience to trust your own subjective observations
- secondary theory has lesser basis to trust than the initial theory from which it was derived from. for example, core Jung's definitions have higher priority then his expanded conclusions about that
- anything besides Jung's and Augustinavichiute's texts is not Socionics until was objectively proved to be correct and linked with types
- Reinin's traits is baseless bs

[Hamada]

thanks, cap
you may to have F type if think that primitive resume as important revelation

the tips for you
- to do not doubt in something it needs be objectively proved, but not just said by someone
- you need to have good experience to trust your own subjective observations
- secondary theory has lesser basis to trust than the initial theory from which it was derived from. for example, core Jung's definitions have higher priority then his expanded conclusions about that
- anything besides Jung's and Augustinavichiute's texts is not Socionics until was objectively proved to be correct and linked with types
- Reinin's traits is baseless bs

I would answer you, only after you start your own thread and stop hijacking mine, and stop mocking other peoples opinion, cap...

Edit: you know what? since I have little energy to spare on talking to people like you, Ill answer you this time. Only that I wont see your posts again here as per forum rules in such cases. I can already see where this is going, seen it before in other forums.

"to do not doubt in something it needs be objectively proved, but not just said by someone"
As far as I can understand from your grammer, I ll answer. I do select what to believe and what to not believe to be true based on my own experience, tests and real life comparisons. You dont have to take my word for it but your opinions are as worthless as mine in the face of reality if it prooves any of us wrong.

"you need to have good experience to trust your own subjective observations"
11 years of typology is not bad to trust my own subjective observations especially in a field based with intuitive identification like V.I. You can ignore that intuition exist if you so choose, that wont make it disappear (not that you have yet). Want something slightly less intuitive? Go to cognitivetypes.com see if their system works for you. They are the positive constructive side in the vultology argument and they do produce great results.

"secondary theory has lesser basis to trust than the initial theory from which it was derived from. for example, core Jung's definitions have higher priority then his expanded conclusions about that"
True, but luckily we derive all aspects of theory directly from reality, not from other theories.

"anything besides Jung's and Augustinavichiute's texts is not Socionics until was objectively proved to be correct and linked with types"
Socionics is the base theory of augustinavichute, it is to be criticized modefied and expanded upon like other theories. The keyword here is theory. If you want something objectively proven go neuroscience. All we have in such a social sciences field is estimative statistics, inherently subjective observations and logical structures which seem to work better than others. The 16 types themselves are theory and have not been scientifically proven to exist. The whole field is not recognised by the wide scientific community in the world.

"- Reinin's traits is baseless bs"
And they do say they are proven empirically, just like all theorists of socionics seem to say. I find the lack of verification of both theories and subtheories in that field disturbing. However I see the potential in the field and thus I continue to muse in these theories and create my own "theory" if need be. I dont claim that any of this is "objectively" proven because I dont have the urge of crafting and selecting a desired image and "to be" that image in my own mind exacting vengeance on any who claim the fallasy of such image.

I assure you that I know about people and typology more than you do, if what I saw here is any indication of your current abilities in that field. Being an "F" in a scince of "people" is actually a plus not an insult. But you dont have to take my word for it.

I dont expect ypu to get much out of this, hope I am wrong. I wont be seenig the result.

[Hamada]

Alpha quadra:
Ideational collectivism
"Salute mi familia"

Beta quadra:
Materialistic collectivism
"Bad boys for life"

Gamma quadra:
Materialistic snoppery
"If it ain't brand name, it's nothing"

Delta quadra:
Ideational snoppery
"Holier than thou"