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    Quote Originally Posted by oyburger
    I would like to see a male INFp and female ESTp on tv though.
    Me too, people only seem to want to focus on the steriotypical ideas that relationships only work if the man is the more masculine one and the female more feminine.

    I don't know if I'm right or not but I believe Shinji from Evangelion was an INFp and Asuka an ESTp, so that's at least one if I'm not completely off my rocker. I think that's why I enjoy anime is because they focus more on personality type then gender when it comes to interaction between characters.

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    I don't know if I'm right or not but I believe Shinji from Evangelion was an INFp and Asuka an ESTp, so that's at least one if I'm not completely off my rocker. I think that's why I enjoy anime is because they focus more on personality type then gender when it comes to interaction between characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aurora_faerie
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    I love Asuka too At first I wasn't sure about her but she really grew on me. She was especially awesome in the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall
    She grew on me also, I found myself feeling really bad for her the series went on
    Yeah, she had an extremely rough time of it. Pretty much all of the characters in that series had some sort of trauma in their lives, but Asuka's tenacity and initiative was really admirable.

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    I thought the book, In Cold Blood, by Truman Capote, demonstrated this dynamic quite well. The two criminals, Dick Hickcock (ESTp) and Perry Smith (INFp), demonstrate this fairly vividly, and somewhat humorously, at times. You have dick, the masculine, driven, smooth-talking con-artist with a recorded IQ of 130 who has only his own interests in mind. he is constantly scheming, telling perry to stop worrying and just do shit. perry, on the other hand, is a sensitive dreamer who the reader almost empathizes with at certain points, as if he is just dick's puppet, more or less a lost soul who could've been very successful (he was very intelligent also, probably more so than dick) with some guidance. the aggressor-victim aspect is what makes this humorous at times: there is this underlying theme of dick "dragging perry along on a leash," like an older sibling, except that he doesn't care for perry, even though perry cares deeply for him. perry's poetic nature is revealed through his letter's, recapulations of childhood dreams, and friendly attitude (aside from his sociopathic tendencies). well, anyway, I won't write an essay...this book is a masterpiece and I recommend it to anyone...for those of you who have read it, feel free to discuss.

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    Default SLE/IEI Duality in movies, books, tv, etc.

    Do you know of any examples?

    I was watching Rocky 2 recently and I noticed, from my novice Socionics perspective, it's like the perfect representation of SEE/ILI duality (Rocky/Adrian).

    Naturally I was interested in making comparisons... to... don't know of any movies that depict SLE/IEI duality (unless I'm blanking).

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    Butch and Fabienne in Pulp Fiction?

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    Mark Antony and Cleopatra in the second season of Rome, but somewhat over-the-top.

    Perhaps George Segal and David Spade in the Just Shoot Me sitcom.
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    Also, I'd expect Tennessee William's plays to portray it, since I think he was IEI, and I think Stanley Kowalski in A Streetcar named Desire is SLE, so perhaps what he had with Stella was duality (and with Blanche a sort of unhealthy version of it?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Also, I'd expect Tennessee William's plays to portray it, since I think he was IEI, and I think Stanley Kowalski in A Streetcar named Desire is SLE, so perhaps what he had with Stella was duality (and with Blanche a sort of unhealthy version of it?).
    yeah, that's what came to mind - Stanley and Blanche.
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    Gene Starwind and Melfina from the 90's anime series Outlaw Star.
    If anyone still remembers it

    other than that maybe Spike and Julia from Cowboy Bebop.
    IEI, perhaps Fe sub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Mark Antony and Cleopatra in the second season of Rome, but somewhat over-the-top.
    hmm, I always saw Cleopatra, in the series, as more of an ILI, though I agree Antony is SLE.


    I'm almost finished "Anna Karenina" by Leo Tolstoy and Levin and Kitty (two of the main characters) are IEI and SLE respectively IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by mm View Post
    Butch and Fabienne in Pulp Fiction?
    lol, perhaps true though.
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    Naruto episode 47 - classic INFp ESTp duality.

    Hinata the INFp, inspired by Naruto the ESTp to the point where her Se was awakened.

    Hinata, able to see through the inner confusion that her enemy has, in response to the taunt that she was confused and weak.

    She lost despite a drastic change in fortitude as inspired by Naruto.

    Naruto, promising to avenge Hinata and defeat the 'bully'.

    Very beautiful display of duality.

    Edit:

    Oh wait. Apparently he may just be an SEE (though his tactical fighting in episode 45-46 made me believe otherwise) who activated Hinata's Se. Sigh. Clear Se/Ni interaction though.
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    Why I love LSEs:
    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie
    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    the first season of one tree hill deals with infp estp duality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade View Post
    Oh wait. Apparently he may just be an SEE (though his tactical fighting in episode 45-46 made me believe otherwise) who activated Hinata's Se. Sigh. Clear Se/Ni interaction though.
    Semi-duality.
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    Aye, sorry for detracting, but since I posted a Se/Ni interchange, I supposed I should post a Fe/Ti interchange.

    In a recent episode of Bleach, during Ichigo's fight with Grimmjaw, Ichigo (I suppose ISTj) was suddenly empowered by Orihime's words. This strength gave him the immediate ability to stop grimmjaws direct attack by just one hand alone, indicating the power of Orihime's encouragement. Somehow I am led to believe that Orihime is an INFp, so this will be an activity relationship I suppose.

    And why I say Orihime is an INFp - her Fe is apparent, there's no dissent in that. As for Ni in her ego block, I would say that her weird food tastes, imaginations and daydreams, hesitance and rare flashes of formidable strength, points towards Ni, supposedly. Also her power has the ability to erase the occurrence of events, something that I guess, links to Ni, since there is an aspect where Time is involved, though not necessarily a reversal of the said dimension. However, it is not the subject of this post, which is to highlight Fe's effect on Ti.

    How this Fe effect has resulted in Ti's buffing though, I am too noob to comprehend. Probably there is no direct correlation.

    There, Se/Ni and Fe/Ti interchange (somehow it looks like the extraverted functions boost the introverted functions, though I am led to believe that they did not directly affect the said introverted functions but merely activated the same function in the SuperID block of the receiver i.e. Hinata and Ichigo).
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    Because everything
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    "Yes, it will be done."


    Why I love LSEs:
    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie
    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    I posted this in another thread too but I think on Boston Legal, the friendship between Alan Shore and Denny Crane is IEI/SLE duality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Do you know of any examples?
    TV: The King of Queens

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky View Post
    TV: The King of Queens
    he seems more SEI. she's ILE, he's SEI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mm View Post
    Butch and Fabienne in Pulp Fiction?
    Maybe, though don't you think Fabienne seems more SEI?

    Quote Originally Posted by HKitty View Post
    other than that maybe Spike and Julia from Cowboy Bebop.
    Spike is SLI. Was there an episode that had a good summary of their relationship?

    King of Queens I think is IEE/LSE.

    The only ones I can think of are Isaac and Simone from Heroes, and Prewitt and Maggio in From Here to Eternity.

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    Who is that sweetheart gentleman in the Orgy vid? He's clearly my Identical or Dual.

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    BulletsandDoves is a ******.

    I like him, and he's a ******.

    I'm not making any assertive statements here, he's a ******.

    There's nothing wrong with being a ******, he's one.

    Look at BulletsandDoves, he's a ****** and he's proud of it.

    Don't laugh, it's rude. He's a ******. You should and must respect him.

    OH WAIT HE'S ACTUALLY BISEXUAL. That makes things so much more acceptable, doesn't it. He's not only a half-****** but he also uses that ass-tainted penis of his to penetrate females too.

    The love? Feel it.

    And me? I'm just another of those retarded, highly overeager teenage boys who, strictly speaking, have no validation in the real world and thus is striving to make a point in the cyber world in hopes of getting acceptance here. After all, if real acceptance is hard to get, why not get it cyber? Same goes with sex.

    That's it, I'm done with my cyber pot/cocaine/prozac overdose. I'm going off to jump now. Say good riddance and mean it.
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    Because everything
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    "Yes, it will be done."


    Why I love LSEs:
    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie
    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade View Post
    BulletsandDoves is a ******.

    I like him, and he's a ******.

    I'm not making any assertive statements here, he's a ******.

    There's nothing wrong with being a ******, he's one.

    Look at BulletsandDoves, he's a ****** and he's proud of it.

    Don't laugh, it's rude. He's a ******. You should and must respect him.

    OH WAIT HE'S ACTUALLY BISEXUAL. That makes things so much more acceptable, doesn't it. He's not only a half-****** but he also uses that ass-tainted penis of his to penetrate females too.

    The love? Feel it.

    And me? I'm just another of those retarded, highly overeager teenage boys who, strictly speaking, have no validation in the real world and thus is striving to make a point in the cyber world in hopes of getting acceptance here. After all, if real acceptance is hard to get, why not get it cyber? Same goes with sex.

    That's it, I'm done with my cyber pot/cocaine/prozac overdose. I'm going off to jump now. Say good riddance and mean it.
    Get a life.
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    Default Beta Irrational Duality?







    So aside from the obvious conclusion that xkcd random is my crack, is this epic love story the chronicle of Beta irrational duality??
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    The guy sounds pretty IEI, not sure about the girl.

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    lol the guy made me think of Nick...
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    Quote Originally Posted by unefille View Post
    lol the guy made me think of Nick...
    haha YES, I was wondering if someone would point that out.

    <3333 INFp-ESTp duality. omg where's my crazy ESTp bitch?!?

    ftr I sometimes do that same thing the guy talked about lol. And it's not intentional; it's just some 4'ish natural defense mechanism type of thing. Like, trying to pull someone in and then eluding them. I really don't mean to! I just want to make sure the attention is real lol.

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    If the girl was SLE, she wouldn't be aware that the guy was attempting to hurt her feelings. I think she is SEE. I'm going with semi-duality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    If the girl was SLE, she wouldn't be aware that the guy was attempting to hurt her feelings. I think she is SEE. I'm going with semi-duality.
    good call

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    If the girl was SLE, she wouldn't be aware that the guy was attempting to hurt her feelings. I think she is SEE. I'm going with semi-duality.
    HA good point. that's funny.
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    Default SLE/IEI DUALITY VID

    All kinds of awesome:


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    lol, the first time I saw that Pink video, I knew someone would end up posting it here as an example of SLE/IEI duality. I wonder why none of the other Victim/Aggressor pairings (EIE/LSI, ESI/LIE, etc.) get such a reputation for sadomasochism.



    Edit:. I forgot it continues...

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    But it wasn't sadomasochism, it was death! Despite the song itself (independent of the video) being about how she says she doesn't need him and insults him and then he decides to leave and she says "wait, don't go, I really do need you, I just can't admit it!" , the music video is about her obsessively needing him in an overwhelmingly clingy way, leading to her eventually wanting to kill him and stuff him, so that he'll never leave, but stay forever, and she'll keep him in her closet with all the other people and animals who tried to leave her at one point, preserved for all of time. Except the problem is she becomes so terribly lonely then, because they don't move and even though she can admire them and they aren't trying to leave anymore, they won't interact with her. So then she goes out and seeks a new special companion, and wins him over, but he starts wanting to leave her just like the last one did, and it starts all over again. She's a serial killer after all.

    Anyway, the sort of person who would treat people they care about like shit and then realize they really need them and they're sorry when that person decides to walk out... is not the sort of person who would be a clingly obsessive serial killer... So then really the video is about the intensity of her pushing away someone she cares about and then pulling them back... As though torn between the sort of "fuck you, go away, you don't mean anything to me, I don't need you, leave" feeling and the "oh no, I desperately need you, I'll kill you before I let you leave, please don't go, stay with me forever" feeling. And the video is kind of pushing the emotional extremes of the push/pull dynamic to absurdity, poking fun at it.

    It's a sort of dark way of laughing at oneself, reflecting a dark but emotionally vibrant sense of humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    But it wasn't sadomasochism, it was death! Despite the song being about how she says she doesn't need him and insults him and then he decides to leave and she says "wait, don't go, I really do need you, I just can't admit it!" , the video is about her obsessively needing him in an overwhelmingly clingy way, leading to her eventually wanting to kill him and stuff him, so that he'll never leave, but stay forever, and she'll keep him in her closet with all the other people and animals who tried to leave her at one point, preserved for all of time. Except the problem is she becomes so terribly lonely then, because they don't move and even though she can admire them and they aren't trying to leave anymore, they won't interact with her. So then she goes out and seeks a new special companion, and wins him over, but he starts wanting to leave her just like the last one did, and it starts all over again. She's a serial killer after all.

    Anyway, the sort of person who would treat people they care about like shit and then realize they really need them and they're sorry when that person decides to walk out... is not the sort of person who would be a clingly obsessive serial killer... So then really the video is about the intensity of her pushing away someone she cares about and then pulling them back... As though torn between the sort of "fuck you, go away, you don't mean anything to me, I don't need you, leave" feeling and the "oh no, I desperately need you, I'll kill you before I let you leave, please don't go, stay with me forever" feeling. And the video is kind of stretching it out to absurd levels, making fun of it. This of course shows just how obnoxious she feels she really is, or perhaps how difficult she is, in relationships.
    Yeah, the video is really disturbing. I just figured B&D was joking for the most part. No one (who is sane) wants to be tortured to death by a freaky, psycho bitch like that. I thought he was making light of the stupid stereotype of IEI/SLE sex approaching war-crime absurdity.
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    Who's the SLE? Is it P!nk? Cause that's my guess.
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    yuck, didn't like it. yeah the SLE is Pink. It's just too extreme. Too... unhealthy.
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    Man you guys are overanalyzing the song. It's a cute song, it doesn't mean what Loki just rambled about at all. Read the interview about the song. You are taking it waaaay too seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Man you guys are overanalyzing the song. It's a cute song, it doesn't mean what Loki just rambled about at all. Read the interview about the song. You are taking it waaaay too seriously.
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    Default Clip of SLE seducing IEI

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHAauiJwwmU"]YouTube- Music of the Night[/ame][ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HWNKDmlnnQ"] [/ame]
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