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    I tend to be an asshole to ESFjs because their constant, nonsensical chatter tends to annoy me.

    lmao, Patrick (ESTp) talking to Peter's mom (ESFj) cuz I couldn't get to the phone yet...

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    He didn't really get any words in, she pretty much carries conversations by herself, which is why she loves me so much. It gives her a girl-talk person, plus I don't always feel like talking back but she doesn't care as long as she gets to talk to someone. ^.^

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamer
    ENTJs are more...business/logical and aren't men associated with those two things in the old-fashioned sense?
    Perhaps, but the true ENTjs aren't exactly the stereotypical image of what "old-fashioned men" are or should be like. Think of Bill Gates and Tony Blair.


    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Unfortunately though, if there's a type that is stereotypically a villain, that is definitely ESTp, with ISTj as close second.
    True. Interesting that in MBTI it's usually the ISTP.

    However, in terms of villains with power, there are also ENFjs.

    The reality, though, is that Betas are more likely to be in positions of "visibly" doing evil if that is their inclination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
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    I was always fascinated with the ESTP/INFP duality though I wasn't sure what to call it except good girl/bad boy. ESTPs are not quite the epitome, I think ENTJs are...but they're like the 'bad boys'.
    What do you mean with ENTjs being the "epitome"?

    Besides, I'm note sure if "good girl" accurately sums INFps up.
    yeah really. there's always the infp who fucked her co-worker's husband and lied to everybody about it. i say: gives the impression of being nice, but morally bereft on the inside. (no offense against any infp's here, of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby
    lol, no I do think there's some truth to it. There certainly is that dynamic in female INFp/male ESTp dual couples. However, this same dynamic is actually present in female INFj/male ESTj, male ISTp/female ENFp, female ISFj/male ENTj couples as well.

    When the genders are switched, however, (ex. male INFp/female ESTp) I think we get something a little different. I still consider myself a pretty feminine guy in many ways, but not exactly "the epitomy of femininity." The female ESTps I've known tend to be masculine in very specific ways (sexual openess, a sort of "vulgarity", blunt sense of humor) but are far from the "epitomy of masculinity."
    yeah, what about a female intj and a male esfj? or a female estj and a male infj? or a female entp and a male isfj? sometimes i wonder if there even are any celebrity/famous examples of relationships like these!

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    I actually know two male INFj - female ESTj couples, and one male INFp - female ESTp couple.

    No celebrities that I can think of, though.

    Two other ESTp women I've met seemed to prefer identicals or mirrors, though.
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    Besides, I'm note sure if "good girl" accurately sums INFps up.
    wtf? if not INFps who else? they are such a classic it's sickening.
    I dunno for a ESTj guy like you though.. It think it's obvious even for the small children that you hate INFps because of some bad real life experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indigoroom
    Besides, I'm note sure if "good girl" accurately sums INFps up.
    wtf? if not INFps who else? they are such a classic it's sickening.
    I dunno for a ESTj guy like you though.. It think it's obvious even for the small children that you hate INFps because of some bad real life experience.
    read above. they are not truly good girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indigoroom
    I dunno for a ESTj guy like you though.. It think it's obvious even for the small children that you hate INFps because of some bad real life experience.
    Then it follows that you are the small child yourself, since I don't hate any type. Nor have I had worse real life experiences with INFps than with most other types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyburger
    I would like to see a male INFp and female ESTp on tv though.
    Me too, people only seem to want to focus on the steriotypical ideas that relationships only work if the man is the more masculine one and the female more feminine.

    I don't know if I'm right or not but I believe Shinji from Evangelion was an INFp and Asuka an ESTp, so that's at least one if I'm not completely off my rocker. I think that's why I enjoy anime is because they focus more on personality type then gender when it comes to interaction between characters.

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    I don't know if I'm right or not but I believe Shinji from Evangelion was an INFp and Asuka an ESTp, so that's at least one if I'm not completely off my rocker. I think that's why I enjoy anime is because they focus more on personality type then gender when it comes to interaction between characters.

    I think you're right

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    Quote Originally Posted by aurora_faerie
    Asuka<3
    I love Asuka too At first I wasn't sure about her but she really grew on me. She was especially awesome in the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall
    She grew on me also, I found myself feeling really bad for her the series went on
    Yeah, she had an extremely rough time of it. Pretty much all of the characters in that series had some sort of trauma in their lives, but Asuka's tenacity and initiative was really admirable.

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    Default an example of INFp-ESTp...

    I thought the book, In Cold Blood, by Truman Capote, demonstrated this dynamic quite well. The two criminals, Dick Hickcock (ESTp) and Perry Smith (INFp), demonstrate this fairly vividly, and somewhat humorously, at times. You have dick, the masculine, driven, smooth-talking con-artist with a recorded IQ of 130 who has only his own interests in mind. he is constantly scheming, telling perry to stop worrying and just do shit. perry, on the other hand, is a sensitive dreamer who the reader almost empathizes with at certain points, as if he is just dick's puppet, more or less a lost soul who could've been very successful (he was very intelligent also, probably more so than dick) with some guidance. the aggressor-victim aspect is what makes this humorous at times: there is this underlying theme of dick "dragging perry along on a leash," like an older sibling, except that he doesn't care for perry, even though perry cares deeply for him. perry's poetic nature is revealed through his letter's, recapulations of childhood dreams, and friendly attitude (aside from his sociopathic tendencies). well, anyway, I won't write an essay...this book is a masterpiece and I recommend it to anyone...for those of you who have read it, feel free to discuss.

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    Default SLE/IEI Duality in movies, books, tv, etc.

    Do you know of any examples?

    I was watching Rocky 2 recently and I noticed, from my novice Socionics perspective, it's like the perfect representation of SEE/ILI duality (Rocky/Adrian).

    Naturally I was interested in making comparisons... to... don't know of any movies that depict SLE/IEI duality (unless I'm blanking).

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    Butch and Fabienne in Pulp Fiction?

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    Mark Antony and Cleopatra in the second season of Rome, but somewhat over-the-top.

    Perhaps George Segal and David Spade in the Just Shoot Me sitcom.
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    Also, I'd expect Tennessee William's plays to portray it, since I think he was IEI, and I think Stanley Kowalski in A Streetcar named Desire is SLE, so perhaps what he had with Stella was duality (and with Blanche a sort of unhealthy version of it?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Also, I'd expect Tennessee William's plays to portray it, since I think he was IEI, and I think Stanley Kowalski in A Streetcar named Desire is SLE, so perhaps what he had with Stella was duality (and with Blanche a sort of unhealthy version of it?).
    yeah, that's what came to mind - Stanley and Blanche.
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    Gene Starwind and Melfina from the 90's anime series Outlaw Star.
    If anyone still remembers it

    other than that maybe Spike and Julia from Cowboy Bebop.
    IEI, perhaps Fe sub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Mark Antony and Cleopatra in the second season of Rome, but somewhat over-the-top.
    hmm, I always saw Cleopatra, in the series, as more of an ILI, though I agree Antony is SLE.


    I'm almost finished "Anna Karenina" by Leo Tolstoy and Levin and Kitty (two of the main characters) are IEI and SLE respectively IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by mm View Post
    Butch and Fabienne in Pulp Fiction?
    lol, perhaps true though.
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    Naruto episode 47 - classic INFp ESTp duality.

    Hinata the INFp, inspired by Naruto the ESTp to the point where her Se was awakened.

    Hinata, able to see through the inner confusion that her enemy has, in response to the taunt that she was confused and weak.

    She lost despite a drastic change in fortitude as inspired by Naruto.

    Naruto, promising to avenge Hinata and defeat the 'bully'.

    Very beautiful display of duality.

    Edit:

    Oh wait. Apparently he may just be an SEE (though his tactical fighting in episode 45-46 made me believe otherwise) who activated Hinata's Se. Sigh. Clear Se/Ni interaction though.
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    "Yes, it will be done."


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    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    the first season of one tree hill deals with infp estp duality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade View Post
    Oh wait. Apparently he may just be an SEE (though his tactical fighting in episode 45-46 made me believe otherwise) who activated Hinata's Se. Sigh. Clear Se/Ni interaction though.
    Semi-duality.
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    Aye, sorry for detracting, but since I posted a Se/Ni interchange, I supposed I should post a Fe/Ti interchange.

    In a recent episode of Bleach, during Ichigo's fight with Grimmjaw, Ichigo (I suppose ISTj) was suddenly empowered by Orihime's words. This strength gave him the immediate ability to stop grimmjaws direct attack by just one hand alone, indicating the power of Orihime's encouragement. Somehow I am led to believe that Orihime is an INFp, so this will be an activity relationship I suppose.

    And why I say Orihime is an INFp - her Fe is apparent, there's no dissent in that. As for Ni in her ego block, I would say that her weird food tastes, imaginations and daydreams, hesitance and rare flashes of formidable strength, points towards Ni, supposedly. Also her power has the ability to erase the occurrence of events, something that I guess, links to Ni, since there is an aspect where Time is involved, though not necessarily a reversal of the said dimension. However, it is not the subject of this post, which is to highlight Fe's effect on Ti.

    How this Fe effect has resulted in Ti's buffing though, I am too noob to comprehend. Probably there is no direct correlation.

    There, Se/Ni and Fe/Ti interchange (somehow it looks like the extraverted functions boost the introverted functions, though I am led to believe that they did not directly affect the said introverted functions but merely activated the same function in the SuperID block of the receiver i.e. Hinata and Ichigo).
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    Because everything
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    "Yes, it will be done."


    Why I love LSEs:
    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie
    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    I posted this in another thread too but I think on Boston Legal, the friendship between Alan Shore and Denny Crane is IEI/SLE duality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Do you know of any examples?
    TV: The King of Queens

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky View Post
    TV: The King of Queens
    he seems more SEI. she's ILE, he's SEI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mm View Post
    Butch and Fabienne in Pulp Fiction?
    Maybe, though don't you think Fabienne seems more SEI?

    Quote Originally Posted by HKitty View Post
    other than that maybe Spike and Julia from Cowboy Bebop.
    Spike is SLI. Was there an episode that had a good summary of their relationship?

    King of Queens I think is IEE/LSE.

    The only ones I can think of are Isaac and Simone from Heroes, and Prewitt and Maggio in From Here to Eternity.

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    Who is that sweetheart gentleman in the Orgy vid? He's clearly my Identical or Dual.

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    BulletsandDoves is a faggot.

    I like him, and he's a faggot.

    I'm not making any assertive statements here, he's a faggot.

    There's nothing wrong with being a faggot, he's one.

    Look at BulletsandDoves, he's a faggot and he's proud of it.

    Don't laugh, it's rude. He's a faggot. You should and must respect him.

    OH WAIT HE'S ACTUALLY BISEXUAL. That makes things so much more acceptable, doesn't it. He's not only a half-faggot but he also uses that ass-tainted penis of his to penetrate females too.

    The love? Feel it.

    And me? I'm just another of those retarded, highly overeager teenage boys who, strictly speaking, have no validation in the real world and thus is striving to make a point in the cyber world in hopes of getting acceptance here. After all, if real acceptance is hard to get, why not get it cyber? Same goes with sex.

    That's it, I'm done with my cyber pot/cocaine/prozac overdose. I'm going off to jump now. Say good riddance and mean it.
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    Because everything
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    "Yes, it will be done."


    Why I love LSEs:
    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie
    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade View Post
    BulletsandDoves is a faggot.

    I like him, and he's a faggot.

    I'm not making any assertive statements here, he's a faggot.

    There's nothing wrong with being a faggot, he's one.

    Look at BulletsandDoves, he's a faggot and he's proud of it.

    Don't laugh, it's rude. He's a faggot. You should and must respect him.

    OH WAIT HE'S ACTUALLY BISEXUAL. That makes things so much more acceptable, doesn't it. He's not only a half-faggot but he also uses that ass-tainted penis of his to penetrate females too.

    The love? Feel it.

    And me? I'm just another of those retarded, highly overeager teenage boys who, strictly speaking, have no validation in the real world and thus is striving to make a point in the cyber world in hopes of getting acceptance here. After all, if real acceptance is hard to get, why not get it cyber? Same goes with sex.

    That's it, I'm done with my cyber pot/cocaine/prozac overdose. I'm going off to jump now. Say good riddance and mean it.
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    Default Beta Irrational Duality?







    So aside from the obvious conclusion that xkcd random is my crack, is this epic love story the chronicle of Beta irrational duality??
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    The guy sounds pretty IEI, not sure about the girl.

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    lol the guy made me think of Nick...
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    Quote Originally Posted by unefille View Post
    lol the guy made me think of Nick...
    haha YES, I was wondering if someone would point that out.

    <3333 INFp-ESTp duality. omg where's my crazy ESTp bitch?!?

    ftr I sometimes do that same thing the guy talked about lol. And it's not intentional; it's just some 4'ish natural defense mechanism type of thing. Like, trying to pull someone in and then eluding them. I really don't mean to! I just want to make sure the attention is real lol.

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    If the girl was SLE, she wouldn't be aware that the guy was attempting to hurt her feelings. I think she is SEE. I'm going with semi-duality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    If the girl was SLE, she wouldn't be aware that the guy was attempting to hurt her feelings. I think she is SEE. I'm going with semi-duality.
    good call

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    If the girl was SLE, she wouldn't be aware that the guy was attempting to hurt her feelings. I think she is SEE. I'm going with semi-duality.
    HA good point. that's funny.
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