VESSTHEastraliky's Functional Definitions

[vesstheastralsilky]

VESSTHEastralsilky's Functional Definitions

Eventually after encountering too much contradictory and false dilemmaish paradoxical data, I spent a few years contemplating and doing experiments at work (while at low pay jobs with mundane outward expectations) to come up with a more pure understanding of cognitive function definitions.

My studies concluded with a huge complete map of my own individuated psyche complete with all functions which was far easier to correlate with chakras for me than model A. Yet I consciously identified in type tests as my SuperEgo because the demands of most of my adult life have been too excessive to let me live as a happy welladjusted SEI. I am 44 and don't even own my own home nor am married with kids despite years of working my ass off and doing my best to care for others. Yet I digress. And I am not disciplined in the right ways enough to write a book. I have too much accumulated data.

Ti is pure formal logic, corresponding to Taurus Venus the 2nd House and the Anterior Cingulate Gyrus in the brain.

Ni is a free time rationality map, corresponding to Gemini Mercury the 3rd House and the Occipital Lobe.

Fi is self concept and awareness of the impact one is consciously deciding to try to have on others charismatically (intentionally vs those who naturally are), corresponding to Leo the Sun the 5th House and the Amygdala.

Si is personal past memory, bodily sensations, and ones ability to apprehend mood/atmosphere of a place, corresponding to Virgo Black Moon Lilith the 6th House and the Temporal Lobes.

Fe is emotional resonance or dissonance within self and others, corresponding to Scorpio Neptune the 8th House and the Hypothalamus.

Se is vitality of and relations between material-spatial beings, corresponding to Sagittarius Chiron and the 9th House and the Basal Ganglia.

Te is actualized energy potential in the form of factual data and invented work structures, corresponding to Aquarius Saturn the 11th House and the Cerebellum.

Ne is a conceptual image or goal to be created or maintained, corresponding to Pisces Jupiter the 12th House and the Prefrontal Cortex.

The Judging Functions Jung defined as Ti Fi Fe Te are the Fixed signs in Astrology, I had finally realized at last.

The Perceiving Functions Jung defined as Ni Si Se Ne are the Mutable signs in Astrology.

The subtypes manifested as a result of the unrepresented Cardinal signs.

After Jung came MBTI and after MBTI came Socionics. But Astrology preceded them all and Carl Jung one of the founding fathers of Psychology used to study the astrology charts of his clients to glean information and patterns. So there you have it.

[vesstheastralsilky]

Applications & examples

Ti can help you invent logical methods to reach new goals ad hoc in the moment.

Ni can increase introspection, help you read, and even calm anxiety or panic attacks in PTSD by splitting the incoming information more into more 'chewable' bits to process in calm. It augments or expands conceptual awareness.

Fi can improve ones charm and influence on or others to act in ways which benefit oneself in the world and projected identity and how others can be impressed through ones self management.

Si is like recalling or magnifying memories with someone or savoring the bodily sensations of an experience like eating or sex or sensing music in one's body.

Fe helps in social situations of differing needs and values among people, considering emotional values as to how to affect others like make them laugh or facilitate humane educational milestones in behavioral training.

Se can help one listen better as well as assess the strength and wealth and appearance of health in other physical beings or objects, like considering the environmental needs of a plant, or how to protect oneself in a physical environment which could pose threats.

Te is working data, getting things done and remembering facts even if it has no inward personal value.

Ne helps you stay focused on tasks while putting up the right appearance of doing so, knowing what to hide and what to show for optimal benefit. It raises goal consciousness rather than loafing about without purpose or future plans.

[vesstheastralsilky]

Yep, FarDraft, origins.

I am happy you find this helpful.

[ouronis]

What is a time rationality map?

[vesstheastralsilky]

What is a time rationality map?

It's kind of like a time dilation this-or-that matrix before the quantum particle groundhog particle rears its head and says I'm here! No, there!!



But seriously it is as I said. It is like a dot to dot abstraction matrix with a linear path for judging. Ne id's by contrast an idea ceiling. Gemini is the twins. Change defines time. X1 x2..... Delta x ... gradients map

Time is 'wrinkly' but Ne is not.

Ni affects how we perceive time, among other things.

[Sanguine Miasma]

Basis of executive function is Ne+Te? Although, it seems that when it is too emphasized it looks like dysfunction because it wont adapt to existing methods.

[vesstheastralsilky]

Basis of executive function is Ne+Te? Although, it seems that when it is too emphasized it looks like dysfunction because it wont adapt to existing methods.

???

An ILE is Ne dominant Ti creative etc. I build with the traditional i's and e's fitting ... Is this what you mean?

I think I might create my own version of Model A and see how it fares.

[vesstheastralsilky]

BAHHHHHHH Is there any way an administrator or moderator can correct the spelling of my screen name in the title? Typing from this new phone sucks. Sorry.

[Sanguine Miasma]

Executive function: defining goal and keeping it in mind while manipulating information. Kind of personal strong point. The only problem is its originality and scope where it functions.

[vesstheastralsilky]

Executive function: defining goal and keeping it in mind while manipulating information. Kind of personal strong point. The only problem is its originality and scope where it functions.

Te+Ni can be like when work seems unceasing. Ne+Ti is like, bam! I reached that goal! Hmm, what next?? (Searches for something interesting)

Si+Fe for me means I am not a moody person. The longest I ever cried was 2 days straight after my 1st bf broke up with me. My emotions as I feel them in my body are slow to change ... Unless maybe sudden outside news makes a radical difference about a situation I care about (logic Ti plus new concept/goal/belief Ne).

[Chakram]

Just because something precedes other things doesn't mean it's good. It seems like you just wrote a simple version of the IEs and linked them to astrology descriptions.

I'm assuming you are only using astrology for the definitions/descriptions and not for any typing people by their date of birth/other nonsense. If that's the case, why not just use the behavior descriptions that already exist within socionics and just attempting to expand on that?

[Sanguine Miasma]

Te+Ni can be like when work seems unceasing. Ne+Ti is like, bam! I reached that goal! Hmm, what next?? (Searches for something interesting)

Well, the solution is usually based on lots of informational patterns that contains only essences of it and later formal logical statements can be formed when situation calls for it.

[vesstheastralsilky]

*bump*

[Tallmo]

I dont agree that Si is past memory. Si is simply inner impressions and of course one can have memories about them. But Si itself has nothing to do with memory imo.

However, Si can be seductive because it makes the objects colored with the unconscious.

[vesstheastralsilky]

I dont agree that Si is past memory. Si is simply inner impressions and of course one can have memories about them. But Si itself has nothing to do with memory imo.

However, Si can be seductive because it makes the objects colored with the unconscious.

But it is. This is why many sensors like me don't test as sensors because of common misconceptions.

Incidentally, when I was young I had a memory good enough to be considered photographic. It was just my Si dominant that could recall photos or college notes visually .

[Tallmo]

But it is. This is why many sensors like me don't test as sensors because of common misconceptions.

Incidentally, when I was young I had a memory good enough to be considered photographic. It was just my Si dominant that could recall photos or college notes visually .

People can have good memory about base function information.

[vesstheastralsilky]

Update: Si is also involved in having good spatial abilities as well as having a good sense of direction. For example, hair stylists and floral designers need excellent spatial abilities to do a good job. Good spatial abilities are also involved in advanced musical abilities in composing and higher mathematics.

[vesstheastralsilky]

Alpha NTs especially introverts have the natural motivation and ability for excellent project management. The Ti and Ne also gives the skills required on figuring out how to reach goals - something I have always struggled with despite hard efforts. "Where there is a will, there is a way" has never been true enough for me, nor enough hard work guaranteeing success.

[vesstheastralsilky]

Comment: "power" is a concept often attributed to Se types in socionics. However, this is too broad a concept with too many possible forms to include one cognitive function and exclude the rest, on philosophical grounds.

[Tallmo]

Comment: "power" is a concept often attributed to Se types in socionics. However, this is too broad a concept with too many possible forms to include one cognitive function and exclude the rest, on philosophical grounds.

As a definition it's bad, but as a hint it is pretty good.

[Exodus]

Comment: "power" is a concept often attributed to Se types in socionics. However, this is too broad a concept with too many possible forms to include one cognitive function and exclude the rest, on philosophical grounds.

But...IM elements are supposed to be broad.