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    Default Why does IEI get the tragic romantic stamp on it?

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    Why does there have to be a tragic romance concept anyway? Why can't there always be an ideal romance?
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    Beta NFs are considered to be "dark" or at least darker than Alpha SF in terms of emotions. I feel like there's a connection because many fictional IEIs have been in these types of stories; Romantic tragedies such as Ophelia from Hamlet, Juliet Capulet, and Desdemona from Othello. IEI as a type tends to also be identified with people who are INFPs and enneagram 4s, and I'm sure you know the stereotypes among that type combo.

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    I'm not trying to be mean, but the outrageous personal ideals of some IEIs who get suckered into their wildest dreams coming true if only xyz ... They are incurable romantics who gullibly can get their emotions played based on what they want to believe even if there is no supporting reality behind the romance. It's easy to say whatever one wants if they are wooing an IEI but living that love out in truth and practical care IEIs actually need is another matter. My poor divorced & widowed mother has already fallen victim to many internet love scammers and losing huge money in the hopes of bigger money to come with true love the easy way for just believing. She won't listen to anyone even when all her closest confidants say it is another scam and it turns out to be. It is extremely frustrating because like small children they only do this pain to themselves. My conflicting LSE divorced father can't take any more of her drama and will not even take her calls. He can be rosy eyed idyllic too and have romantic ideals but an LSE will ultimately be practical and never believe a story just because it is what they want to hear. Or if circumstances seem too unrealistic to be together easy enough they simply abandon the prospect of the relationship rather than "trying to make something work for the sake of true love". I thought I was already too vulnerable in love being heartbroken and lonely compared to how much I want being SEI but at least the Si gives me some common sense. Sometimes EASE and PRACTICAL COMFORT exists for good reason to keep us from excessive pain strife and futility. Many IEIs also expect impossibly too much in their social relationships before they feel fulfilled enough to be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vesstheastralsilky View Post
    I'm not trying to be mean, but the outrageous personal ideals of some IEIs who get suckered into their wildest dreams coming true if only xyz ... They are incurable romantics who gullibly can get their emotions played based on what they want to believe even if there is no supporting reality behind the romance. It's easy to say whatever one wants if they are wooing an IEI but living that love out in truth and practical care IEIs actually need is another matter. My poor divorced & widowed mother has already fallen victim to many internet love scammers and losing huge money in the hopes of bigger money to come with true love the easy way for just believing. She won't listen to anyone even when all her closest confidants say it is another scam and it turns out to be. It is extremely frustrating because like small children they only do this pain to themselves. My conflicting LSE divorced father can't take any more of her drama and will not even take her calls. He can be rosy eyed idyllic too and have romantic ideals but an LSE will ultimately be practical and never believe a story just because it is what they want to hear. Or if circumstances seem too unrealistic to be together easy enough they simply abandon the prospect of the relationship rather than "trying to make something work for the sake of true love". I thought I was already too vulnerable in love being heartbroken and lonely compared to how much I want being SEI but at least the Si gives me some common sense. Sometimes EASE and PRACTICAL COMFORT exists for good reason to keep us from excessive pain strife and futility. Many IEIs also expect impossibly too much in their social relationships before they feel fulfilled enough to be happy.
    That sounds about right.

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    I can also vouche that my IEI-Fe Mom loved her dual 2nd husband but also took him wayyy too much for granted, often wanting "more" and still complaining even after his death, blind to much of the good he did which she relied on. There is a harsh duality lesson there for all of us about practical limits and being realistic in our expectations of others, especially those we love the most. Most people are already doing the best they can as far as they know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    many sins
    What do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kara View Post
    What do you mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kara View Post
    What do you mean?
    IEI have strong N and F, so they should lesser than average mistake in relations. when you notice or it seems the opposite - it mb intentional seeking of the problems as having victimish (Se valued) psyche they may neuroticly react on a guilty. also the seen mb partly explained by more open dramatisation (Fe).
    also P predisposes to more impulsive partners choice and hence to more of doubtful relations - but this factor is neutral, as those relations are surface and do not hurt them deeply, and this negative should be compensated by relatively good relations



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    Because Beta NFs are batshit insane drama queens.

    It's why we love them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viktor View Post
    go fuck yourself
    so how come you're not a SLE-D Vik?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    so how come you're not a SLE-D Vik?
    I'm actually very calm and controlled, I just let out my anger when someone acts in a way that I don't like. There's a description of
    all the beta subtypes by gulenko, and several people have pointed out that the N desscription fits me very well. I'm investing in real estate, that's said to be common for SLE-N, they are also said to be good at weightlifting and I am that aswell, even for SLE standards. SLE-N is calm and then regrets when the anger comes out, and I do regret when I get too angry, especially when I let it out on people that don't deserve it. I know that I used to be C as a child and teenager, I was more emotional and angry back then, and I also was more creative in the general sense. I've kind of mellowed out since then. I don't think I'm D because I'm not really a leader, SLE D's have a group of people that they lead, maybe a group of friends or maybe they are the boss at a company. I've never been responsible for social events or anything like that, I'm a bit introverted for an extrovert, I generally stay at home. I'm not shy by any means, I just don't like people that much. Also, SLE-D is the kind of guy that never gives up on his goals and keeps on acheiving things, and I'm not really that driven, I have my moments where I just wanna chill. That said, I've been trying to focus more on Se lately as a way to feel self actualized, I've been doing muay thai a lot, I've decided to express myself more freely and to take up a bit more space then I'm used to, so I might be moving up to C or D over time. I feel kinda like I'm in a rut living like I do now, so I'm trying to have some more movement in my life. My parents were like really old fashioned and calm parents that really didin't like Se, and not my brother either, so I think I've been conditioned into acting more calm so I don't make everyone upset all the time. Also, I'm a giant so people generally get upset when I get aggressive, it's a situation that everyone has to deal with when I'm angry, it's not just something that I can be like everyone else, my anger changes the entire environment. So I think I had to mellow out to fit in socially. But I don't have to think about my friends or family anymore, so I can be whatever I want, maybe I don't wanna stay calm anymore idk

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    IEIs are no more subject to tragedy than any other type. Most of them seem to carry rather idealized visions of where they should be in life and often initially have overly optimistic outlooks about getting there. Their perceptions of tragedy usually come from within, brought on by their own disappointments in life, whereas people around them may not view their situations as really as dire as they say it is. I often think of IEIs when I hear soliloquies in performances where the characters are wishing that life were less cruel to them - meaning they didn't get what they desired. They seem to need realistic friends who can point out the lights at the ends of the tunnels.

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    I feel attacked but these are all accurate.
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    Read your original post. You should be able to make the connection.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    The thing about romance in and of itself is that inherent in the beginning is also the inevitable ending. Romance always has an element of the fleeting inside it. A Ni Fe type senses this meandering path of the river ahead and always holds the picture of it in their minds eye. In this way, there is the tragedy of the ending. Of which they are all to aware. So there is a constant needing to be pulled back from the brink of a goodbye.

    Romance is powerful and encompasses your spirit and soul. And so who wouldn't be afraid to loose something so deeply moving. Yet life itself is the arbiter and life demands its pay.

    Maybe unfinished business in your life seeks to make you get a job that takes you away from the romance, or some other responsibility. This is the progression of the socion and beta turns to gamma. The calling to fulfil something prevents the romance from continuing forever. IEI saw it all coming from the very start. This inner precariousness tips of the aggression of someone certain, or naive enough, to make you, MAKE YOU, believe in its beauty and total crazy next level reality that comes once, or twice in a life time. And it will last....for a time.

    All sociotypes learn their individualized lessons as they age. If not, then that in and of itself is also a tragedy. The best romance is always that you had in your youth. Because its so passionate and new. Youth might extend long into adulthood if you had never exp this passion before. So it would be better to say your best romance is always your first. First romances are destined to cease, like the burning flame eventually goes out. There is a reason Romeo and Juliet ill-fated romance still hard hits 450 years later..
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    because life is tragically romantic and romantically tragic, it's also very good - much more so than you'd think at first, human beings are adaptable - we can find meaning in almost anything if we just give it time

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