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A ISFJ 9w8 with a hard 8 wing.
Dr Dre has such nice arms.
Everything interests me but nothing holds me.
IMO he has a very gamma mentality.
I was thinking ILI because of his role as a producer, and never gave ESI much consideration. But ESI could work.
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@TheUltimateEmcee could Dre be sx/sp instead of sp/sx, I thought sp dominant because he tends to get mistyped as a 5 and for other reasons that I'm finding it hard to coome out atm but sx/sp could be possible aswell
Probably LSI-Se. He's built big like many of them are (sex doesn't change their tendency to have high upper body strength/big shoulders and a tendency towards being apple shaped), his perfectionism, his attention to detail, and him being accused of being a violent spouse, he also mentioned not having structure like he needed structure.
Not the Ti subtype because he's more individualistic, has been so successful in a more artistic career and his speaking is more the Sensory subtype rather than the more rigid, less creative, more serious language usage of the Ti subtype. Also, he's been described as calm, relaxed, and warm all of which fit the Se subtype better.
He seems democratic and is about money so I can see why some would think of him as gamma, but LSI-Se often seem democratic rather than aristocratic and are often all about saving and making money (note, he doesn't spend it on luxury items like ESI-Se would, he talks about saving it like LSI often do).
Dre as LSI is interesting fo' sho'.
What good is a book that does not even transport us beyond all books?
Dr. Dre has really strong Se, LSI-D. Terminality, execution, strong administrative qualities. His music and especially the diss tracks are hilarious. He likes laying down the law.
I mean, he’s really aggressive towards others and he stands his ground. He defends his Ti order and don’t allow others to fuck with it.
This interview is more revealing of LSI.
He respects hierarchy as in both the laws of the streets and music industry “you gotta give props where props is due,” and money is more of an afterthought and not the main goal “making music to have some fun and making some money out of it, if possible.” He was on one of the pioneers of gangsta rap and said “I’m laying down the foundation, straight up.” Also, Tupac is his dual, EIE-C Easy-E and Dre had huge clashes and I haven’t done much research on EE but I wouldn’t be surprised if he is also Dre’s dual.
I think Snoop is SEE-N and Dre supervise him. Snoop respects Dre and Dre treated Snoop like a student, someone under his wing. As a result, Snoop say “Death Row is the label that PAYS me” showing he knows that there’s a contract between them which acknowledges the Se power structure between them.
Snoop talks a lot over the years about growing up and improving himself and such so he does value Te. He also pushed his wife to be more into business and upgrading herself, etc. having more ambition. They divorced and got back together and remarried. He showed his appreciation towards his for having his kids (he has a kid from someone else and don’t acknowledge the mother). Stuck by his wife through a lot but he also admits he values that she stuck by him through all his craziness.
What’s funny is he said in this interview he’s avoiding 50Cent and 50 is SLE. He’s always tryna have a good time and talks a lot about how he feels and stuck with it which shows Fi >Fe. He’s gotten really spiritual for the past 15 years or so. He got really involved as a soccer coach (more hands on as a father) and then did that Rastafarian thing(spiritually getting high) His public persona as in his music and looks went through phases and changed through time but not drastically. The progression was linear. He’s still the same Snoop.
Snoop Dogg seems extremly idealistic and runs around with the wildest, most colourful outfits. he's generally very passive overall.
I just wanted to make something that represents peace, love and happiness.
Dr. Dre and 50 Cent are very business-like. 50 Cent buys cars that match his outfit, the other sells Dre Beats. I think gamma makes more sense for both of them.
Supervision relationships are very impactful because it causes changes which could be long lasting. Dre likes Fe stuff and seeks it but he don’t hate the Fi stuff, either. LSI>ESI because he exhibits Fi+ and he acknowledged that Snoop taught him the meaning of believing in yourself and loyalty. He acknowledges that The Chronic wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for Snoop believing in Dre.
A gangsta ESI is Ice Cube, D subtype. Fi- ethics of disapproval, he's critical and very judgmental. He’s really good with the Te stuff which is probably why people can mistaken him as LSE at shallow glance but he’s too forceful with Fi and LSE don’t like Se at all. Fe development is to express his Fi. Watch all his old, recent, and interview videos and he constantly maintains a scowl lol Even in his Friday movies. He can do some Fe but he hates it. His Barbershop movies ultimately promote his Fi values, ESI conservative shit like loyalty, family, being stable, responsible, etc.
I think Dr. Dre is unquestionably LSI, however. His music is pure assertion/aggression that I could only picture coming from a Beta ST. No sliver of Fi morality/values/etc. from what I’ve seen thus far (but I’m not very familiar with him in the way I am with Tupac, for example - I’ve just had a handful of his songs on my playlists before ). His lyrical content is nothing like Eminem’s at all, who has a ton of ethical commentary in comparison (though I have honestly flip flopped between ESI and LSI for Eminem many times...).
Tupac is still an EIE to me... His Fe was ridiculously powerful and it’s always the first thing about him that stands out to me. He was constantly turned on, engaging, charismatic... he had the likes of a preacher; EJ and 4D fe - and remind me how he was 1D Se again? He is not like IEI Nas... IEI Kendrick Lamar comes close enough in terms of personality, but I don’t find his Fe quite as extravagant or at the forefront. Perhaps IEI-3Fe (strongest Fe subtype possible) would work but at that point you might as well go with EIE and I see a lot of Se HA style of Se fetishization in his work. He was also heavily inspired by Shakespeare (EIE).
Anyways, I see an over abundance of Se creatives in the rap game in general. Maybe the lyric play is the one way they can healthily tap into that Ne weak spot.
And I'm what you desire, like a siren in the night
Originally Posted by Starfall7w6 2w3 8w9 - The Free Spirit
Ice Cube hates Fe but because he’s D subtype, he can express (Fe) his discontent (Fi) more viscerally. He’s actually very relationship oriented, private, and into defending traditional shit. I don’t think LSI and ESI are hard to distinguish. LSIs feel uncomfortable asserting Fi stuff, whereas Ice Cube is fine dealing as the go between Dre and all the other gangsta rappers since he’s confident with Fi. Dre is Ti because he operates on power hierarchy that he’s established in the business and others are afraid of him, and so others have to come to him, and he don’t want to approach them.
I like Dre as LSI. I always felt connected to him but couldn't put my finger as to why. I've noticed that with me and LSIs a lot. "this person and me have vastly different lifestyles, we rarely even communicate much but he still feels like part of 'my Beta clan' and will defend him with Wildfire if need be."
Snoop is definitely Fi yeah. He shares that Fi bond with Martha Stewart haha.
I mean, tell me that they’re not dripping with Fi They’re talking and admiring another Fi person, SEE Kobe.
Well Hollywood definitely has a lot of Fe but also it's often a kind of superficial role-ish version of non-valued Gamma Fe in many ppl/organizations.Yeah, I can see that.
True friendship and relationships definitely require Fi, it's definitely a Fi thing and not an image thing at all. I still won't ever really value Fi like Fe (I'm a stereotypical IEI and drool over the hot bear hunk SLE with douche shades and a killer smile) but I always appreciate more Fi help/advice to know how to make connections better as I kind of suck at that. I'm good at noticing it more in others than myself.
I love Marilyn Monroe. <3 I am a geek collector of Marilyn Manson Christmas ornaments I like them so much.
I agree it's too alpha Fe it's kind of Power Rangers kiddish which is alpha Fe. Beta Fe can be light but it's still.. darker than that. Actually the quadra cycles... every quadra down the line 'matures' more then the other I think. Most of the "social justice warriors" on Alpha/Delta would be too against the type of Fe Beta uses. Original MadTv was a very Beta show and very funny- but I don't see something like that surviving in today's climate. Gamma wouldn't mind it, but probably would think the Fe valuing isn't good or "too much" and just make it Fi valuing but role Fe.
There's probably a lot of LSE Te higher ups in Hollywood that care more for the family image stuff and the bottom profit line and are more amused at Alpha Fe then Beta Fe because Alpha Fe corrects them and they are drawn to the innocence of it whereas Beta Fe is just perverted and nasty to them. So it's really easy for alpha Fe show to get greenlit. I mean Alpha Fe show- is like a dime a dozen right. "Oh look another Alpha sitcom!" Most shows are probably going to be like that I think lol.
Some of the shows in the 90s were very Beta but yeah I don't think we're in a Beta period much at all in the world so it's going to be kind of dead in that area. I've tried to get into a new show but I haven't found anyone that I really liked that much. (the one I'm in now the most is probably that thing u showed me lolol) There's just so much Alpha/Delta in Hollywood now! And a few Gamma. The Gamma shows tend to be rarer/but more highly quality and really well produced and make you feel heavy things. I like some aspects about them, but they are often too sophisticated + Fi for my tastes.
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Isn’t that just sad? A lot of entertainment stuff produced more recently as within 10 years or so is so ultra heavily with Alpha and Delta censorship with their warning labels on everything that it’s “bad” for you and blah blah blah. It’s suffocating to be surrounded by everyone who’s so quick to whip out the “I’m so offended, you better shut this down now!!!” card. I think the 90s was mostly Gamma and ppl were savages back then. All the music about personal woes and heartache, broken loyalty... Toni Braxton, Mary J. Bilge, etc. and rise of gangsta rap with public beefs... all Fi mixed with Se. Gotta defend your territory. I don’t think the stuff from that era like In Livin’ Color would survive censorship now since Alpha wants to whitewash Gamma. The Men in Film skit is very Fi and they openly express their Fi through Fe. It’s a lot of attitude.
The show I suggested for you is Beta Fe combined with Gamma Fi and Se. The main lesson is rooted in Gamma Fi, loyalty and being there for your nearest and dearest, even though they do a lot of stupid shit that you don’t necessarily approve of. I knew you’d love Ricky, cuz that’s an example of what a real SLE is like. I’ll have to look through my list of characters but I could find more SLEs for you.
A lot of the shows I really like, and I’m particular, I realize now that they’re Gamma and reflect my interests and values. When I think of the characters I like the most and identify with them, they turn out to be almost all SEEs. It dawned upon me that the mind gravitates towards embodiments of what it values as a reflection of its psyche. That doesn’t mean just because someone likes a lot of SEE characters (for example) is an SEE. But it shows that they value those aspects of SEE even if they’re not able to directly analyze themselves.