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Oh ok, yeah we experience these things slightly differently, whatever (for me it's just the same level headed mode always, not particularly zen), but I get what you mean esp. with being used to things working easily. Maths though would always fascinate me lol, I'd definitely see walls sometimes but it'd often just feel interesting with me hoping that I will be able to see deeper later (that part is very Ni to me actually). In those cases it would not actually even be truly walls... just... trying to look in the undefined depths somewhere further.
lol interesting. Yeah I can't really relate to those last parts. With maths, as with programming, the focus was always on getting the answer and correctly functioning piece of software. Wanting to win and not let it beat me, or feeling like I beat it. The process of getting there was most times like pulling teeth but once I got to the goal it felt great. Not getting to the finishing line always feels like "I lost. Maybe I am dumb. Losing is what losers do."
Any time I could visualize the math problem though it became like 75% easier. Only realized that when I was in Trigonometry, and then really noticed it in Discrete Mathematics where I never had any problem at all, and I loved the class because of through it I saw logical validation of things I value, or demonstration of cool shit like how computers work.
How do you get past that initial reaction? Because a lot of this still sounds like Ti lead with Ne PoLR with extra Se (your kill it with fire response)
Mostly it's just a "Okay, this is garbage and I'm not going to accept it, but let's understand it to at least respond" more effectively to explain why it's so shitty.
There's a mutual associate of Lynx and I, who Lynx thinks is an Ne-ILE, who is very much consumed by the exploration, translation, and spreading of novel or different ideas all for its own sake. The very notion of this and the osmotic socio-cultural homogenization it propels was/is anathema to me, enough that I got loudly angry and repulsed. Eventually after a few weeks it hit me where he was coming from. It's still ass cancer for the soul but at least I "get" what he's driving at and why, even if he doesn't consciously see it yet himself. If I ever end up responding to his stuff again I can at least do it directly instead of spending hours talking past each other.
Sure, that's Ti. It does sound like constantly checking for Ti information, which is Ti lead > Ti creative.
Interesting. I would have chalked it up to a general default distrust I have in people to REALLY be straight with me.
Err? I do see you as pretty restrained. With some short flashes of reaching out in those err, braggadocious displays.
Yeah I'm mostly just intrigued that the EIE sees me as not particularly restrained and the LSI sees me as pretty restrained. Curious if there's an explanation outside of just personal differences in how people read text.
What would it be like if you weren't that restrained? Would you just be more opinionated and jokey, or?
A lot more jokes, declarative statements, teasing people, a lot of inappropriate remarks for a laugh. Less of everything being kept at 2 or 3 arms-length away. Lynx can vouch that generally when it comes to banter or pushing boundaries with jokes I don't let someone else get the last or most extreme line in, and I always double-down when I know it's someone that isn't going to get me fired or ostracized for what I say.
Yeah I figured you were being more abstract than just it being about races
I'd like to hear about that more from OP yeah.
I think he and I are both operating on the Sociotype.com LSI and SLE Fi descriptions. Bold parts are the ones that resonate
SLE Introverted Ethics (Fi)
SLEs have trouble evaluating the internal emotional state of other people unless it is accompanied by a visible emotional expression. They are typically inept at reading people's inner feelings and often do not expect people to react to them on the basis of sentiments that are not outwardly visible. They do not like it when they are judged morally or when their lack of attention to others' feelings is criticized. SLEs are uncomfortable in overly sentimental occasions, and in situations where they are expected or required to offer emotional support. Many SLEs are highly emotionally guarded, and may become touchy or apprehensive if they expect that others may judge their character harshly.
SLEs will often tread carefully in their interpersonal relationships. They may fear psychological distance from others, which they often try to overcome by seeking respect and appreciation from others. They have few qualms about taking the iniative, and they may seek affirmation by attempting to engage or protect the other person. However, on some individuals their behaviour may have the opposite effect of their intentions; their protection may be viewed as jealousy and their advances as immature or inappropriate. SLEs can usually maintain an air of formality when necessary, and have the potential to be very direct and undeceiving partners, but they tend to find such interaction stifling; they usually prefer colorful emotional environments in which they are free to act on their impulses and exert control.
SLEs are often under the impression that while they might gain respect or admiration from others, they can never be truly loved by anyone. Sometimes, SLEs can become paranoid about their relationships with others; they may fear that current relations will affect future relations in some way e.g. a bond with a potential partner in the present might "ruin" a relationship with a future spouse.
LSI Introverted Ethics (Fi, Fi)
LSIs are sometimes aware of their internal sentiments and attitudes towards others, but do not always give their emotional responses much attention. They typically are disinclined to depend upon their interpersonal attitudes or internal moral consciousness as guiding principles, instead construing reality through the lens of somewhat stiffer and less sympathetically inclined standards of behavior. They may be disinclined to critically evaluate the ethics of their systems; rather, they may take their own standards somewhat for granted and make value judgments about others based on their conformance to their own accepted principles. They may, in formal contexts, appear to be somewhat cold, harsh, and inflexible. They may have rather dispassionate, formal, black-and-white views of morality (for example, Ayn Rand's philosophy -- which was rigid, "rational" in its criticism of emotional motivations of any kind, and unfailingly unambiguous -- is a phenomenal example of an a Ti and specifically LSI approach to morality).
LSIs are often by default conventional, polite, and perhaps somewhat mechanical (or even forcible) in their approach to social interaction. They may be predisposed to pay more attention to following relevant social ettiquette and appearing personable than to directly empathizing with, relating to, or interacting spontaneously with others. They often pay less attention to or have difficulty discerning the attitudes that others harbor towards them or third parties, and may be characteristically suspicious of others' motives or attitudes.
That sx/so would make sense in terms of your interests and some of your vibe too maybe.
That's good enough for me lol. Was holding back because I'm not particularly good at objectively seeing myself so wanted to make sure I wasn't understating the "so" part once again.