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    I’m a 19 year old who is currently a student in Philosophy and Hispanophone Literature, but underneath this my true passion lies in writing and creative production in general. I enjoy literature as a vantage point into how others extravert representations of their own reality and philosophy as a means of giving shape to the worlds I build once I’ve generated them internally.

    What do you study or do for a living? How did you come to do that? What do you like or dislike about it?
    Initially I was only studying philosophy. As a kid I was rather interested in science and the potential for studying geology or cartography. Maps and topography always interested me because I felt they were beautiful, yet incredibly reductive in the sense that they deny the liminal and shifting nature of reality. Ultimately, what I would call these underlying “internal perceptions” began to exert more weight in my psyche, and I became more interested in exploring them than the world itself. I began to write poetry that detailed internal visions I had that reflected a sense of liminality that the maps never could. I enjoyed the rhythmic quality with which I could write. Personally, I’m not attracted to a lot of philosophy (especially the Anglo-American variant), because it tries to concretize and define clearly our experience of reality. My main interest within philosophy is in the realm of aesthetics. Nietzsche in particular attracts me, because his aesthetics emphasize a view of reality in which internal experience may be considered just as real as the external, to the extent that they do not have to be explained, but simply captured and accepted within themselves. In a sense you could say I enjoy the argumentation of philosophy as a form of advocating for my own interests and mental explorations, which I feel are endangered by current objectivist views of the world purported by science.

    My interest in literature emerged slowly. As a kid I loathed it because of the way it was presented in class as something structured and allegorical...the notion that writing has to emphasize a specific message or point is anathema to me...I believe in the value of its exploration in itself. As such my interest in literature was a self-inspired transformation. I believe in an “artistic baton passing” so to speak...I started out listening to music and visualizing scenes of people and places...building up these worlds of my own and shaping them through characters and landscapes. I’d describe my style of writing as acid naturalism. To me it’s a bit of a subgenre of magical realism, but I’m interested in constantly finding metaphors in the physical worlds I create and focusing in on my character’s perceptions of them to reveal things about how the way they look at the world reflects them and their conscious experience. I enjoy creating clashing perspectives, and see my characters as conduits who reveal forces that exist beyond them, but which they embody. It’s because of this that my work can tend to be cruel and disgusts readers because I usually place the “contour” upon which characters fall above the characters themselves, using them to reveal more than to be.




    What are your values, and why?
    I tend to dislike defining values, because I don’t enjoy being bound to one mode of being. Nonetheless, I’ve come to recognize that no matter how much I try to sojourn internal realities, there are things about me that I can’t avoid. I wouldn’t call these values though...they are more akin to unalienable desires which usually exist in an interpersonal realm. What that means is that no matter how much I isolate myself and leave the “communal world” I end up depending and relying highly upon those I’ve created strong relationships with and at the end of the day probably would save them at all costs. Interacting with those I love helps to keep me sane and not completely lost from “reality.”

    What else do you do on a daily basis? What are your interests and hobbies? Why do you do them?
    On the daily I tend to spend most of my time in my head...I’m rather impenetrable to things outside of me unless they captivate me with a sense of beauty that can’t be denied. I write every day, usually as a means of dealing with and exploring pervasive mental imagery. I also tend to run a lot as I feel it reinforces my connection to the world, though ironically it can have the effect of intensifying my thoughts. Music is a large part of how I spend my time as well. I’m constantly exploring new genres and artists. From time to time I will get into a “reading mode” and usually when this occurs I will voraciously read for a period of time, but in the interim I will just essentially do nothing structured. I also go through periods of moderate cannabis use...when I’m at the beginning of one of these periods I tend to find a heightening of my experience of internal visions, and also use the drug to intensify my emotional experiences. I find it to be something that allows me to remember things that I have blocked out from my memory, and to force myself to confront these things so that I can perhaps transform them and use them as inspiration for my creations. Nonetheless, I tend to go through these periods quickly and stop once they begin to blur the lines too much between waking and dreaming reality (so for no more than 3 days with long intervals in between).

    What do you look for in friends? In romantic relationships?
    Most of all I look for stimulating individuals...mentally, sexually and emotionally. Because I am generally cut off, I thrive off interacting with people who are also either ready to share and bond over their perceptions and observations with me, or people who will give me an intense experience of the world itself. Romantically I find myself caught up, because I tend to seek out people who would more or less “complete” my experience of reality by offering me a vastly different perspective on life. I’ve been very attracted to extroverts because of this, because their experience of reality is so present and as I perceive them perceive the world I begin to lust over their perspective. I realize this sorta describes “duality,” but I’m not sure I believe in that theory. Most of these relationships end up failing because there’s a lack of true understanding. In the past I’ve run away from people who I think would understand me “too well,” because I don’t like confronting aspects of myself that are unchanging or feeling like I’ve been exposed by someone who can truly get me.

    What conflicts have you encountered recently with other people? Why did they happen? Which kinds seem to happen on a regular basis?
    Most conflicts I have tend to arise because of my intensity and demands for intimacy from others. I loathe “faking” emotions, and have been called out for being unfriendly towards those who overwhelm me with emotional ebullience. In general I won’t interact with someone if I get the sense that they want something “transactional.” Because of this, especially in romantic relationships, I’ve been criticized for being “too intense” and always needing to discuss serious topics. Nonetheless, I’m completely uninterested in interaction if I don’t think there’s a potential for mutual growth and true vulnerability.

    How would your friends describe you?
    Passionate, artistic, intense, cerebral, isolated, and pessimistic, and swinging back and forth between saying a lot and nothing at all.

    What are your weaknesses? What criticism do you often face from others? What do you dislike about yourself?
    I’m awful at integrating myself into any sort of community and bonding over “chill activities.” Personally I wish I had more of a grounded connections to things around me. I do think I have very strong emotions that I would like to share, but I know I sometimes repress them and don’t fully express them as a survival tactic. I noted both of these things strongly when I took magic mushrooms recently. Essentially I was experiencing what I feel I had neglected and repressed within me (the entire experience was complete, life giving and harmonious emotion...I reflected a lot on those I love and why I want to see them find happiness). I also in this experience found myself for once enmeshed in the world around me. Sometimes things like bird calls annoy me because I’m an awful insomniac so I associate them with that, but in this case I was completely entranced by them, the grass, the trees etc. and even saw a mandala in the clouds, allowing me to once again find beauty outside me, this time not in the form of a lustful romantic connection.

    In what areas of life can you manage well on your own? In what areas of your life would you like help?
    Not many? Lol...I feel rather helpless in daily activities and lots of times when I do things on my own without structure imposed on me I fall into a state of doing nothing but exploring my thoughts. That said, the academic world is a social environment I connect very well with and in school I’m generally able to contribute to discussion and earn good grades. I’d like help in integrating myself a bit more into realities that aren’t just academic...I’d enjoy to be a part of like a backpacking community or something like that where you just go somewhere with no agenda and explore natural things.

    What things do you find to be a chore? What things do you enjoy more than others?

    Anything that occurs around the house I guess I find to be a chore in addition to forced social interactions, which extends to my family. I prefer organic intepersonal interaction. I also kinda hate board games and those more sort of lowkey activities where people group around each for no other purpose than to just do so. It adds an extra layer of disconnection between you and individuals, which I dislike. More than others, I enjoy writing and listening to music. I still love map-drawing, and reading theoretical books (mainly philosophy) as well as works of a few select authors I really admire (recently been devouring Herman Hesse’s works).

    What goals, aspirations, or plans do you have for the future? How did you come to have them?
    Honestly I just want to reach a place where my “internal journey” finds a way to be financed and made stable. It doesn’t matter to me if that’s through academia, or finding a way for my writing to get published and I don’t concern myself with how much success in the concrete I would have. I’d probably rather have it not be in relation to academia, because whenever I’m in a context like that I can feel my path being slightly manipulated in relation to the goals of the institution, but I’d still take it over another career. Ideally I just need to be in a place where I can switch between activities during the day (I fucking hate sitting at a desk), and enjoy discussing things in depth with others so academia wouldn’t be a complete shitshow.

    If you had enough money to live comfortably for the rest of your life without working, what would you do with your time?
    I’m generally resistant to the idea of a utopia, but I’d probably like to buy a house and populate it with things that I’ve created in my mind but embodied physically. I like this idea of carrying things from the inside to the out...converting ideas and dreams into reality. Juxtaposing the real and the dream, because I find that sort of dialectical positioning of the two helps to reinforce and demonstrate the similarity of both of those realms. Beyond this, as I stated earlier realizing I do have strong emotional needs and interpersonal appetite, I’d hope to have some sort of relationship with someone and to do things to support them. It wouldn’t have to be like we have to live together at all times, but it would be nice to have that consistency.

    What traits do you find endearing that others might dislike? What traits are considered positive/neutral by others but tend to annoy you?
    I love anyone who’s not afraid to explore tangents in the moment and to “get off track.” I like discussions that derail and then organically find themselves back on the tracks. I love people who are daring and create an original aesthetic for themselves. Things I don’t like are people who say overly normative trends, spout cliche statements that are accepted by the masses as if they were verifiable a priori truths that we don’t need to investigate for ourselves. I don’t like people who are kind because they want others to be kind to them (transactionality again).

    What kinds of things do you do to manage and/or beautify your environment (your room, your house, etc.)? What do you think of daily chores?
    I wish I had more motivation to beautify my environment, but I really don’t. Sometimes I imagine what I would put on my walls, but that’s always changing so I don’t put much at all. People tell me my living spaces are messy and ascetic looking. I would say overall I probably prefer a minimalist aesthetic. I used to have stars on my ceiling as a kid and that was a nice quirk...I could do something like that again because it’s kinda hilarious pretending the darkness of your room is permeable to the light of the worlds above as is true outside. Again I like that dual tension...putting something alien inside my house would be nice...something that doesn’t belong. I hate daily chores and do them completely randomly and out of order...anyhow they give me more time to think, but sometimes I get lost in thought and spend hours doing what should take like twenty minutes if I focused.

    How do you behave around strangers?
    Cold, calculating, intense, and if we speak not accommodating myself to them to make it clear I’d rather not have a fake conversation.

    How do you react to conflict? What do you do if somebody insults or attacks you?
    I really hate conflict and tend to just let it slip by me and keep my thoughts to myself unless its consistent and then I let someone know how I feel. I don’t mind if someone insults me unless I really care about them and in that case I’d probably have a conversation with them.

    What is one (listing a few LOL) common misconception that people have? Explain why it is wrong.
    One of the greatest to me is that reality is decipherable through science alone. I do think it’s possible science will give us a clear rendering that we can communicate among ourselves with large certainty, but arguments by philosophers like L.A. Paul who argue that we can’t show our experiences of things are always the same ring true to me.

    There is a cartesian self that is omnipresent. A lot of my thoughts I experience from a completely disembodied and observing point of view, so why would this need to connect to my sense of self?

    There is a deterministic arc of time that humans are travelling on, and if we do not conquer the world, natural selection might create another being that will. To me this sort of idea is awful because it leads people to assert humans are completely self-interested and look for self-advancement all the time, when I do believe there is a way to experience life without a fully thetic sense of self who perceives the world with a consciousness that is for itself. I think my art celebrates this idea by “losing itself in the moment” so to speak, breaking with causality and linear progressional narratives of human experience. I think I employ some of what Schopenhauer talks about when he says humans fall into complete contemplation of something in the moment and it transforms into something else.

    What did you do last Friday?
    Uncommonly for myself, I went to a party and head some great conversation with people.

    What is your biggest accomplishment?
    Maintaining a friendship with my best friend from high school. We almost lost touch irrevocably because of the intensity of this friendship (we kept each other safe during times of mental breakdown). This was a big accomplishment because it showed me we could take something that was built around commiseration and empathizing over something that almost destroyed our friendship and transform it into something meaningful when the chaos was over. This “narrative” means a lot to me so to speak. I hope many things in the world go this way.

    What is something you regret?
    I guess as I referenced earlier running from the one person I could have found myself in a romantic situation with where I felt I’d truly be understood. I look at this as a great failure allegorically for me because it was rejecting someone who could tell me “it’s okay to embrace yourself and not simply sojourn forever.”

    Who do you admire, and why?
    In Philosophy, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche because of their unique understandings about aesthetics. In film Lars Von Trier because of the way he plays with aesthetics in the moment to synthesize a very intoxicating and altered experience of reality that reveal forgotten things about human cognition. Musically I enjoy Nick Cave, Dan Bejar, Constanza Bizraelli because of their experimental styles and super interesting narratives. In literature I love Cortázar for his dreamlike approach to viewing human relationships. Even more so I love Kafka and Hesse for their alienesque presentations of reality and their serene underlying messages.

    What's been on your mind? Has anything been worrying or concerning you? What problems have you encountered lately?
    I’ve been worrying about my intensifying isolation. A lot of my recent writing has been somewhat strange. Poetry as I said before is just pure visual exploration of realities to me. I’m a conduit for what I see, but narrative is more self-reflective and I’ve been worried about the self that I encounter in it. I fear like some of my characters I might become cut off and dissociative. I’m also getting tired of the environment I’m living in so I’m wanting to change that soon and find a place where I can be part of a more interesting mythology.

    What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and why do you hold them?
    As a kid I rejected God because I was terrified of eternal conscious existence. I thought, if this does not come to an end, it cannot be endowed with meaning because we need flux and the depreciation of some moments to appreciate others. That said, through my drug explorations, I feel I’ve glimpsed into “psychology wholeness” or total harmony with my surroundings and love. I don’t think this will present itself ever in my reality, but I think because I’ve glimpsed at it I can’t call it completely abstract...so I believe in that.

    What are your political beliefs, and why? To what extent do you care about politics?
    I’m not very apolitical. I would enjoy to see a world where there is less income inequality, but I think sometimes politics puts forth this idea that we’re trapped in our circumstances which I disagree with. The system doesn’t need to change for someone’s life to become valuable and have the potential to synthesize meaning...that can be done on a microcosmic level...so I believe in that.

    Would you ever be interested in starting a business? Why or why not? What role would you play in it? What kind of business would it be?
    Not even remotely. I don’t want my soul to be sucked into something consistent like that that would constrain and limit my activity and require 100% focus all the time. Too scatterbrained for that.

    What kind of work environment do you prefer? What do you look for in a job?
    Everyone does their own work and reconvenes to talk about what they’ve made.

    What is or was your favorite school subject and why?
    Spanish Literature because it showed me that you could represent mysterious psychological things and a truly surrealistic world on paper. I also loved calculus, because I liked visualizing how things changed over time and the tension of being able to plot them perfectly with what I really felt like they were. I took some calculus graphs from school and would pretend to map out human relationships and stuff like that with them which was satisfying because it wasn’t quite true and yet you could pretend it was.


    How do you approach responsibility? What do you tend to expect of others?
    I do what’s necessary to stay alive and pretty much expect the same of others. I don’t need things to go above and beyond. I also believe in being irresponsible to find yourself outside of the system and look back on it with a critical gaze.

    Where did you go on your most recent vacation? What did you do there? How did you like it and why?
    I went to the western United States and visited national parks. I went hiking with some friends and had a nice time writing and just enjoying the scenery. It was a road trip and I loved being on the move...because my mind is always moving through images it suits me well to move through places too...I liked harmonizing internal and external rhythm.

    What were you like as a kid? How have you changed since you were a child?
    I was creative and spent time alone. I was rather sensitive, more so than I am now, probably. I liked just going on the playground and creating worlds as I do now...I would sing a lot of melodies. I was shy and didn’t like asking for help. I was considered scatterbrained and told I should try to get to know more people by teachers because I spent a lot of time alone.

    What was your high school experience like?
    Not so bad. I didn’t give a fuck about the social environment, and I would say kinda like little sprouts of grass popping through the sidewalk I found myself in a community of semi-freaks who just talked about random stuff and had a good time while learning a lot. I was also super depressed though and so were a lot of my friends. It was bad, but it taught me the value of interpersonal support and true love.

    Talk about a significant event from your life.
    I lived abroad as a kid where my family is from. It changed my life because it gave me a window into the fact that I had been somewhat created by a social situation, so it gave me the opportunity to actually form my own perspective. Ever since I’ve kinda flipped around in many viewpoints wherever I am. That’s a difference between myself and others. I was given multiple narratives, so i assembled my own. I wasn’t just organically part of one, so i realized you don’t have to be constrained to the social narratives that supposedly construct you.

    Do you like kids? Why or why not?
    Sometimes. I enjoy their proclivity towards fantasy and find their lack of pessimism refreshing. Still, they are their own people and can be just as bad as the next person. They bully left and right, so I’d basically have to pretend like they didn’t to fully accept them.
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    I can't see how you could be anything but INFp/IEI. That's not an completely easy thing for a guy to be, though INFp's have a lot of inner strength.

    But I felt sad and worried as I read because you like so much experiencing new internal experiences, and I can see how you could easily become a drug addict, who can't stop when he knows inside that he should, for his own good. I see people from my generation that used pot not as a young adult experimentation but instead as a lifestyle - and they never left it. Of course after awhile you don't have a choice (outside of supernatural intervention). And a couple decades later you can see the stark difference between those who embraced that life and those who embraced a drug-free life. And the differences are stark. It's clear it's not a happy life choice in the long run. The thing is relationships. Well its many things. Like it makes embracing adult responsibilities a trial and a nuisance, which creates quite a mess over time. You create habits of self (the self who is slave to the addiction) that normal people do not like to be around, and prefer to turn their backs on as soon as they see it. All this of course affects relationships in a bad way. Yes, the life-relationships results of lifestyle user - it's not a good thing at all. The longer you are in it the more impossible it seems to get out of it. There is always that disconnect from every normal person who are not ruled by this need, and easily see the dysfunction coming towards them and are they are repelled by the behaviors/habits that come from the overriding need. But we all need people, so the user has to resort to other users as friends, and they don't make such good friends. Good friends are important in life, but you don't get them unless you can be one yourself. And the addicts are handicapped at becoming this because of their needy first love.

    Now I am feeling a bit apologetic for the sermon, and the bad forecast, which might be just in my mind. But I mean it to say: Beware - don't go that way.
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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    Thanks for the nice and concerned response, hopefully I can take some worry of your chest by telling you I actually have pretty good self control and have never used drugs to deal with anything other than insomnia for short periods of time (I think there is just as much to doubt with pharmaceutical drugs if not more in some cases and I live in a state where such medical cannabis products are available and non-psychoactive). I’m much more focused on my creations and generally quit doing drugs for long periods of time when I find they begin to take over my ability to create. I think in essence, while many people aim to live very balanced lives i’m best off allowing moderate extremes to balance themselves out. Anyhow, I’ve never used a substance that could be physically addictive and I never plan to. A bit surprised by the IEI typing solely because I feel I value Fi very strongly over Fe.

    I didn't think my post would generate this sort of debate, but I think both extremes of dealing with drugs are quite negative. Aiming to destroy human curiosity is dangerous, but people need to find self-restraint within themselves. For many eons there have been cultures who have used psychedelic substances and have grown their children up with teachings that will prepare them to use these without harm...the western world of the 21st century is not such a society, but that does not mean some people won't understand how to navigate such things.

    I should also say one of my greatest interests relates to theories of consciousness within philosophy, and there is a great deal of research occurring right now dealing with psychedelic substances and what they can tell us about the nature of the conscious self. While I love theory and reading it, I think not living it to a certain extent is a form of alienating oneself from interesting work...so I experiment with caution. In order for me to believe in something, it has to reach full awareness for me for a period of time. The importance is to not lose sight of the where distant realities touch each other, and how favoring one significantly over the other will only create tension between them both. I view this similarly with my writing. I could read theory for days...but if I do not create an environment where it can live and breathe and shape a world that draws inspiration from and could influence the real world, then all I have done is succeeded in creative a subjective paradigm for reality inspired by my own solipsism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVNA View Post
    Thanks for the nice and concerned response, hopefully I can take some worry of your chest by telling you I actually have pretty good self control and have never used drugs to deal with anything other than insomnia. I’m much more focused on my creations and generally quit doing drugs for long periods of time when I find they begin to take over my ability to create. I think in essence, while many people aim to live balanced lives i’m best off allowing certain extremes to balance themselves out. Anyhow, I’ve never used a substance that could be physically addictive and I never plan to. A bit surprised by the IEI typing solely because I feel I value Fi very strongly over Fe.
    It’s possible that the mind spaces and perspectives you’ve developed via psychedelics create a resemblance to Ni.

    There was a lot more material about internal meaning and pattern and abstraction than about interpersonal themes. No great desire for anything that moves toward the practicalities of Te either.

    What makes you think you value Fi strongly?
    LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”

    Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”

    LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVNA View Post
    Thanks for the nice and concerned response, hopefully I can take some worry of your chest by telling you I actually have pretty good self control and have never used drugs to deal with anything other than insomnia. I’m much more focused on my creations and generally quit doing drugs for long periods of time when I find they begin to take over my ability to create. I think in essence, while many people aim to live balanced lives i’m best off allowing certain extremes to balance themselves out. Anyhow, I’ve never used a substance that could be physically addictive and I never plan to. A bit surprised by the IEI typing solely because I feel I value Fi very strongly over Fe.
    Sounds good, LVNA. Your comment about allowing extremes to balance themselves is an interesing idea (foreign to me, but sounds valid) - and feels like an IEI response very much to me. So i am still still thinking IEI for you, and no other.

    Do the IEI descriptions strike a cord with you? An interesting thing to do is, if you know a certain person's type in your life quite surely - like, you know your Dad is ESE, for example - you look up their type on a relationship chart with the possible types you think you might be, and see which relationship type fits your reality best with that person. Here is the chart I use all the time: http://www.socionics.com/rel/relcht.htm.

    Another interesting thing to look at is how you relate to the four different Quadra values. See what it is about Fe that Beta's value, and what aspect they do not like so much about Fi. Here is an artical on Quadra values: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...cs-Four-Quadra Also see what group activity behaviors are favored by the different Quadra. And of course romance styles. That's a tell. You my find yourself rethinking IEI. Also there are links on that page to the Reinin Dichotomies common to each Quadra to check out.

    Also I can see how an IEI might place a high value on Fi, so I would be curious to see a discussion on Fi vs. Fe by a confirmed IEI Socionist on that topic.
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    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    It’s possible that the mind spaces and perspectives you’ve developed via psychedelics create a resemblance to Ni.

    There was a lot more material about internal meaning and pattern and abstraction than about interpersonal themes. No great desire for anything that moves toward the practicalities of Te either.

    What makes you think you value Fi strongly?
    Hey, Golden. Actually all the abstraction long predates any psychedelic use, and if anything such drugs have enhanced my appreciation for concrete things and the importance of them in my life. Personally I think I value Fi strongly because I enjoy long, deep discussions with just one person at a time. I hold close the few people that I love in my life and am known for showing little to no emotion at all and when I do I usually communicate it through writing. I've held on to quite a few relationships for years and I tend to discard ones that don't emphasize interpersonal trust. I also am not keen on intending to make any sort of specific impression on another person in the manner that is described with Fe types...I would rather not hide behind faking an emotion for someone else and am willing to play the long run game with friends I care about in the sense that I can bide my time alone exploring my own ideas and theory and wait until I meet a friend who recognizes they enjoy me for what I have to say as opposed to for how I present myself.

    Anyhow...from what I understand, if I were an Ni sub, I wouldn't necessarily have much to do with the "extroverted function" at play. In general I also hate the Beta quadra values of large groups where ebullient emotions are exchanged etc. and prefer deep and serious discussions. I've actually done a "Quadra Test" before and my results were Delta > Gamma > Alpha > Beta.

    I really do not relate to the Beta notion that one is "trapped in external circumstances" and generally do not like ideals of world-wide revolution. I prefer to think that people can reform from within so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Sounds good, LVNA. Your comment about allowing extremes to balance themselves is an interesing idea (foreign to me, but sounds valid) - and feels like an IEI response very much to me. So i am still still thinking IEI for you, and no other.

    Do the IEI descriptions strike a cord with you? An interesting thing to do is, if you know a certain person's type in your life quite surely - like, you know your Dad is ESE, for example - you look up their type on a relationship chart with the possible types you think you might be, and see which relationship type fits your reality best with that person. Here is the chart I use all the time: http://www.socionics.com/rel/relcht.htm.

    Another interesting thing to look at is how you relate to the four different Quadra values. See what it is about Fe that Beta's value, and what aspect they do not like so much about Fi. Here is an artical on Quadra values: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...cs-Four-Quadra Also see what group activity behaviors are favored by the different Quadra. And of course romance styles. That's a tell. You my find yourself rethinking IEI. Also there are links on that page to the Reinin Dichotomies common to each Quadra to check out.

    Also I can see how an IEI might place a high value on Fi, so I would be curious to see a discussion on Fi vs. Fe by a confirmed IEI Socionist on that topic.
    In reading the IEI descriptions there are certainly some things that I relate to, but I would also say I don't look at myself as much of a romantic dreamer...I certainly have been at times, but I would say overall I feel more like a "world creator?"

    Some of the things that I feel are perhaps Te lie in the very specific "descriptive focus" I emphasize when I detail a scene. I believe this is a trait of Te...is that not how people described Balzac's realism? My first impulse when I create is to describe the physical things around me, to set the scene so to speak where ideas may come alive and later people may populate them.

    Also, I think dichotomy wise I'm very much a negativist...at least in the sense that I always notice what "is not there."

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    I think another reason I question IEI is that it is generally seen as "the poet type." But what then can we say of someone like Parmenides (LII) who created his most important work in an epic poem...or even Friedrich Schiller (LII) who was a poet for poetry's sake but also had dominant Ti?

    In the case of these two you see pervasive introverted thinking in their work and a lack of much emotional expressiveness. Similarly, I would say my poetry comes from a place that is rather emotionally detached, and in the least bit not autobiographical. Are the visions subjective? Yes, certainly...but I used the word "conduit" because I generally would say in poetry at least I try to find a way to specifically detail a moving scene in my head. I've even considered abandoning the form for film alone because it might lead to a more veridical representation of what I see that does not become obscured by the haze of memory.

    All this said, I won't abandon the possibility of being an IEI...I just think it appears to be something of a clichéd response and it makes me wonder if socionics is more of a system built around partitioning people into specific "vibe-categories" than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVNA View Post
    I think another reason I question IEI is that it is generally seen as "the poet type." But what then can we say of someone like Parmenides (LII) who created his most important work in an epic poem...or even Friedrich Schiller (LII) who was a poet for poetry's sake but also had dominant Ti?

    In the case of these two you see pervasive introverted thinking in their work and a lack of much emotional expressiveness. Similarly, I would say my poetry comes from a place that is rather emotionally detached, and in the least bit not autobiographical. Are the visions subjective? Yes, certainly...but I used the word "conduit" because I generally would say in poetry at least I try to find a way to specifically detail a moving scene in my head. I've even considered abandoning the form for film alone because it might lead to a more veridical representation of what I see that does not become obscured by the haze of memory.

    All this said, I won't abandon the possibility of being an IEI...I just think it appears to be something of a clichéd response and it makes me wonder if socionics is more of a system built around partitioning people into specific "vibe-categories" than anything else.
    Although I have issues with socionics, I have found people usually are looking for something more substantive than vibes to work from. The main thing I get from your responses above are metacognition, abstraction, visionary activity, and some kind of intro-, meaning if not introversion, introspection or similar. I also associate a lot of it with being a certain kind of nonconformist young adult—I mean that as a compliment—and at your age I knew people from all over the type spectrum who fit with that. Fair to say I was one, and those values were more important in a way than socionics quadral values.

    However ... it’s very, very hard not to get Ni over and over from what you write. Admittedly I read your post and thought, “hm, I feel reluctant to just toss out IEI because it seems like the obvious, pat type to offer and I don’t want to make assumptions, and I may be missing something.”

    Btw, any type can write poetry, and I am not interested in that stereotype, either.
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    LII studying literature is very unlikely. It is possible, but very, very unlikely. This is more of SEI or IEI interests. LII have great ambitions and they go for more logical subjects.

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    Keep in mind that Balzac is the "poster boy" for ILI. Which isn't exactly regarded as the most poetic type. Try to rid your mind of stereotypes, socionics is way better without them trust me.
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    You are driven by imagination. dom is clear to me in that regard, I don't think ILI because you don't seem negativist (you seem to fantasize about what you want rather than what you don't want) and don't telegraph a sense of prudence and skepticism in practical matters, which ILIs do.

    IEI is pretty obvious to me.

    Btw, your questionnaire was very interesting, loved reading it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Although I have issues with socionics, I have found people usually are looking for something more substantive then vibes to work from. The main thing I get from your responses above are metacognition, abstraction, visionary activity, and some kind of intro-, meaning if not introversion, introspection or similar. I also associate a lot of it with being a certain kind of nonconformist young adult—I mean that as a compliment—and at your age I knew people from all over the type spectrum who fit with that. Fair to say I was one, and those values were more important in a way than socionics quadral values.

    However ... it’s very, very hard not to get Ni over and over from what you write. Admittedly I read your post and thought, “hm, I feel reluctant to just toss out IEI because it seems like the obvious, pat type to offer and I don’t want to make assumptions, and I may be missing something.”

    Btw, any type can write poetry, and I am not interested in that stereotype, either.

    Appreciate this comment, especially because it goes beyond the realm of socionics and into life in general. I do think, as people have said before, "beta is the quadra of young adulthood", and it makes sense that you would be interested in rebelling against a system most when you are struggling to get your footing in it. But I will say any desire I have to maintain my own, independent perspective is one that I will continue to keep no matter what occurs in where I strictly land up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falsehope View Post
    LII studying literature is very unlikely. It is possible, but very, very unlikely. This is more of SEI or IEI interests. LII have great ambitions and they go for more logical subjects.
    Hmm...I don't much like the logic of this comment. It almost seems to me that when you say "IEI and SEI" are driven to literature you are doing what I warned against earlier which is associating type with "vibe category." If that were true it would be as though literature is nothing more than a bastion of intense personal and emotional expression...or perhaps something that people congregate around with giving off a certain vibe (Fe) as a lit scholar. This is a good example of top-down logic, and it being used in a situation that doesn't just obfuscate what type might be, but maybe in some case literature itself.

    My first professor in literature was a very clear LII. She ended up in the profession a bit unexpectedly, but she's ruthlessly worked as an academician to expose what she sees as truths about countries which surround the ones her family came from in a more creative lens. While I don't see myself as LII, I don't understand why the I.M. of one would not be attracted to literature...there is the potential in being a scholar in it to read and decipher from complex material that is presented in a creative way and to try to extract from it something exact and an underlying structure (LII). What's more, because so many scholars focus on structural work, there is the ability to reverse this process and to take a literary structure of some kind and create from it (BTW, this is what I would argue leads to a great number of allegorical works..consider as an example an LII like George Orwell.)

    Is it true that the American system of education depreciates literature as a touchy, feely subject of study? Yes, quite so. But that doesn't mean people cannot lead individual lives where they come upon it for unrelated reasons where they can make interesting things of it in a logical manner. If you look to the education systems of countries like France and Argentina you will find their philosophy departments (which mind you is primarily an NT discipline) are mixed with their literature departments because they see the two continually feeding of each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avebury View Post
    You are driven by imagination. dom is clear to me in that regard, I don't think ILI because you don't seem negativist (you seem to fantasize about what you want rather than what you don't want) and don't telegraph a sense of prudence and skepticism in practical matters, which ILIs do.

    IEI is pretty obvious to me.

    Btw, your questionnaire was very interesting, loved reading it.
    Thanks for the feedback. I can appreciate that by the way IEI is categorized on a site like the16types, it probably makes more sense than ILI. Nonetheless, I would caution in the Jungian perspective Pi dominance of any flavor would lead to someone who is characteristically poor at using Je of any flavor. I realize these two are different, systems, but if you look over at who SSS typed ILI, you'll see a much less rational and structured type. It's funny, but I almost get the impression from reading some descriptions over here that ILI is perceived of as a primarily logical as opposed to intuition type. Here's a look at some people who have much higher emotional expression than I do and were typed as XLIs

    http://sss.socioland.ru/people/view.php?id_people=7998 (Ian Curtis - ILI)

    http://sss.socioland.ru/people/view.php?id_people=4241 (Camus - SLI)

    http://sss.socioland.ru/people/view.php?id_people=8596 (Syd Barrett - ILI)

    If this site's benchmark for ILI is someone who is more of a logical dominant type, like say an Isaac Newton (typed here as ILI and sometimes LII http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...3-Isaac-Newton), I wouldn't make any argument for myself as ILI. But the Russians have him as LII and LIE, so that does show quite the divergence of results within this system of study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVNA View Post
    Appreciate this comment, especially because it goes beyond the realm of socionics and into life in general. I do think, as people have said before, "beta is the quadra of young adulthood", and it makes sense that you would be interested in rebelling against a system most when you are struggling to get your footing in it. But I will say any desire I have to maintain my own, independent perspective is one that I will continue to keep no matter what occurs in where I strictly land up.
    Yep, I don’t think holding to an independent perspective is something that needs to go away and am not implying anyone needs to age out of it. It’s more that in young adulthood we may be laying some foundations so it’s an important time to sort out what your values actually are.

    ETA: I went through your responses more carefully and though you regularly express what I take to be Se-seeking (desire for someone or something to pull you intensely into physical reality proper), I don’t see Te-valuing, bc as I understand it you don’t aim for conceptual concreteness, objectivity, productivity, factuality.

    Unless I’ve gotten that very wrong, it makes it hard for me to see how Te-creative fits you. Not every ILI is all about “production” (though ime they can be very practical and hard workers), but even the ones I know who are engaged in creative pursuits like music still are not really about the flights of imagination you describe. Ni tied to Te seems to go in a different direction. I mean, Balzac = realism, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVNA View Post
    Thanks for the feedback. I can appreciate that by the way IEI is categorized on a site like the16types, it probably makes more sense than ILI. Nonetheless, I would caution in the Jungian perspective Pi dominance of any flavor would lead to someone who is characteristically poor at using Je of any flavor. I realize these two are different, systems, but if you look over at who SSS typed ILI, you'll see a much less rational and structured type. It's funny, but I almost get the impression from reading some descriptions over here that ILI is perceived of as a primarily logical as opposed to intuition type. Here's a look at some people who have much higher emotional expression than I do and were typed as XLIs

    http://sss.socioland.ru/people/view.php?id_people=7998 (Ian Curtis - ILI)

    http://sss.socioland.ru/people/view.php?id_people=4241 (Camus - SLI)

    http://sss.socioland.ru/people/view.php?id_people=8596 (Syd Barrett - ILI)

    If this site's benchmark for ILI is someone who is more of a logical dominant type, like say an Isaac Newton (typed here as ILI and sometimes LII http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...3-Isaac-Newton), I wouldn't make any argument for myself as ILI. But the Russians have him as LII and LIE, so that does show quite the divergence of results within this system of study.
    You will find, I think, that there is no consensus about types on this site. This is true of famous people as well as site users.

    I do agree that ILI is driven by imagination just like IEI, but you just don't seem to have the...pessimism that I see in ILIs. They can be depressing to listen to when it comes to political matters for example, they predict doomsday scenarios. Whatsworse is that their scenarios always seem to come true. They are also very conservative in their habits, typically, they are afraid to try new things (at the same time I think they want to, they just someone to push them and get them out of their rut). I get neither this pessimism nor this fear of life from your questionnaire. It's just alot more...how do I say this...upbeat and ligthhearted in comparison.

    I think subtypes play a big role too. An ILI of the subtype is gonna stand out as more driven by logic than the subtype. I am subtype of LIE for instance and I relate to alot of dom traits such as being driven by imagination, but I can't settle on ILI because while I am observant I am fundamentally more driven to act on the outside world than they are. Just saying, this might have something to do with some ILIs seemingly more driven by logic. There are aso IEIs more driven by ethics, but you do not seem like one of them (again just from the questionnaire).

    I guess if you have doubts about ILI vs IEI it is best to look at what functions you value, both types value a form of logic but for IEIs it is introverted logic () whereeas in ILIs it is extroverted logic (). But you don't seem to be having these doubts, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVNA View Post
    But the Russians have him as LII and LIE, so that does show quite the divergence of results within this system of study.
    There are problems with sss: 1) good typing materials (such appear only with video interview; for example, Newton had no it still), 2) good typing skills (<20% average real typing match), 3) conformism (people were under the external influence when said kindof own opinion - this much reduces the value of how often someone is typed somewhere)
    So you can't take seriously what is written on sss to say about the systems of the knowledge.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Yep, I don’t think holding to an independent perspective is something that needs to go away and am not implying anyone needs to age out of it. It’s more that in young adulthood we may be laying some foundations so it’s an important time to sort out what your values actually are.

    ETA: I went through your responses more carefully and though you regularly express what I take to be Se-seeking (desire for someone or something to pull you intensely into physical reality proper), I don’t see Te-valuing, bc as I understand it you don’t aim for conceptual concreteness, objectivity, productivity, factuality.

    Unless I’ve gotten that very wrong, it makes it hard for me to see how Te-creative fits you. Not every ILI is all about “production” (though ime they can be very practical and hard workers), but even the ones I know who are engaged in creative pursuits like music still are not really about the flights of imagination you describe. Ni tied to Te seems to go in a different direction. I mean, Balzac = realism, right?

    All very good points. Yes, I do definitely relate to Se dual seeking and see the behavior in myself, but the interesting thing is I don't think I would actually desire to be with such a dual in the long run based upon previous experiences I've had.

    In regards to Balzac...yeah that is true, but some authors who have also been typed ILI like Kafka are hardly strong realists. I'm also heavily influenced by the magical realist perspective which crossed over to Latin America from Europe, which is still realist in a sense. Márquez is commonly typed ILI, but my methods of writing are vastly different than his.

    I'm wondering...could people really not see my strong interest in cognition as something in relation to Te?

    For example one of the things that has interested me from doing investigation on papers that deal with the neuroscience and the philosophy of the notion of the self that use LSD and Psilocybin as tools of investigation, is the fact that these substances can diminish the activity of what is called the DMN and SLN, networks that regulate one's ability to perceive a discrete sense of self...the result of this is essentially feeling interconnectedness with reality around you as a whole, and a loss of feeling that one's consciousness is given for oneself (what we call pre-reflective consciousness) and that its ultimately goal is for it be self-motivated (can a narrative self really exist if there is no goal-directed activity towards the future?). While I'm all for the scientific explorations and attempts to map out these states with processes like fMRI, specifically because I think they will help clue us into the potential help these substances could bring us in treating certain pathologies, I return back to the notion that true altered states of consciousness defy the ability to be fully grasped without proper experience. Furthermore, I think that it is important to confront things for ourselves before they become beliefs. I have long rejected most knowledge and kind advice that has been given to me by others when it was not supported by evidence, but found it staring me in the eyes later on, and with this experience, I learned to believe in it. This is a thread of thought that I was inspired by and found myself relating to in Hesse's Beneath the Wheel. To make an analogy back on the case of experiential states I'm trying to say: could I really pretend my language use in a dream is the same as my language use in waking reality? Is our dreaming language not less adequate at grasping and interpreting our perceptual experiences of dreams?

    The point of all of this is to say that I think though the actual experience of being in one of these altered states we still need to explore through science, it is ultimately something whose experience excludes the ability to use normal language to grasp it. One of my desires (that I felt was a bit Te) was to try to create such a language inspired by a state like this...in a sense I see this task as encouraging neither reality to colonize the other (similar to how I mention above you would not want to simply interpret a dream in regards to truth in the waking world because this would corrupt the experiential meaningfulness of the dream). Anyhow, I ended up being lazy and have gone more down the route of simply writing poetry and moving scenes that would be "from the perspective of the universe" in this sense, which takes me back to the style I termed acid naturalism. So in this sense I see myself both as a conduit for my images and someone who is trying to increase the public's experience of reality in different states of mind.

    I agree I'm not a clear or concise thinker. In Jung's world I have more Ti than Te, but then again so do a lot of introverts. I could see myself as IEI perhaps with a low Fe focus as some of you say, but Beta is the quadra whose values and worldview I relate the least to. Anyone want to make a strange argument for SLI? lol
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    I don't see ILI at all for you, if that is a consideration you are having. There is a certain pessimism about an ILI, that is an overall coloring, that is absent in the way you write, vs. pervasive in the ILI's writing. Also If you are thinking of Fi and Fe being about romantic feelings, that's not it. You have to read how that function works within a type. So it's important to see how IEI uses Fe in his particular Model A lineup. So read the Fe definition (scroll down to 2nd paragraph) here: http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/types/IEI-INFp/ You can see that Fe is very probably not what you were thinking. In fact, I think, when I am reading that explanation of how INFp uses Fe, it could almost be mistaken to be about Fi. Also You can scroll down to the end of that and see how IEI uses Fi.

    Anyway, as you can see there, Ni is the strongest element for IEI, not Fe. And you sure can see a lot of Ni in your writing! It dominates. Perhaps you are an IEI with Ni subtype. That would make sense. Here is subtype descriptions for IEI: http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/t...INFp/subtypes/

    Sorry, I guess a "vibe" does not seem helpful, but IEE's are known to be quite accurate in their first intuitive guesses on this, and I am. I nearly always get an intuitive first guess but I don't go with it; I stay open and keep taking in more and more info, procrastinating a final decision. But much more often than not, that first guess turns out to be right. Its from knowing diverse aspects of Socionics very well, because I have read very extensively and continue to do so, and I have tested it out IRL on a wide berth of people of my acquaintance, intimate relations and not. I absorb it all and it all comes together in one big Halographic/Panoramic whole.. That's my cognitive style, and its not everyone's (just one out of four!). It does aid in typing. The other image for the holographic/panoramic thinker is the fractal object, like a snowflake, with its multiple internal forms, where any one piece of the fractal contains complete information about the entire fractal... so in practice for me, sometimes one thing a person says or does speaks of the whole to me, then I keep listening and mroe and more things crop up to reveal the same whole, and its consistent. This is a completely foreign orientation for 3 of 4 people...

    Your cognitive orientation as an IEI would also be foreign to 3 of 4 people, too, and it's an interesting one, and I feel I can see it in your writing. Its called "Vortical-Synergetic Cognition". You might find it interesting to read on. It can be found here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Victor-DarkAngelFireWolf69 I find it quite intersting that its called vortical-synergetic, because those words describe something that sounds to me to be dizzying. And when I read your explanation of your thinking on things, it gives me the same feeling I get when I read explanations of the self's thinking from from other IEI's. I would call that feeling distinctly dizzying. I stick with it reading/listening to the IEI explain a thought process, but I sort of don't want to, because to me, it's dizzying. I am not saying other people react that way to IEI, but it wouldn't surprise me if another IEE said, "I know just what you mean" because I think it it might be an IEE response to this aspect of IEI. And I do not discount what I am reading that the IEI is saying, because there is a feeling that it's all valid - just dizzying.

    And I ONLY ever got that feeling from reading the thought processes of IEI's. So when I got that same deja vous feeling reading yours, I did not see how you could be anything other than an IEI. Because, all this time spent understanding type and listening to various types talk to see the patterns, and never once did I ever feel that except with an IEI. And in the course of the same listening process to an ILI, I get something very different. When I listen to their thought processes I get a pessimistic feeling. I should describe at as pessimistic with a touch of superior righteousness. And I only get that from an ILI, and I do not see that in what you write at all, and I do not see how an ILI could write that much describing their thinking and not reveal that..

    There is a lot more I could say, but it's a nice day out there...
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    On the IEI's use of introverted ethics: "They are often more concerned with the energy and emotional responses of others around them. They are more interested in the dynamism of their emotional surroundings and often are inclined to adapt their behavior or even their persona to fit the situation."

    I actually can't relate to this at all. I'm very indifferent to people's emotional responses to me and care much more that they have understood where I stand. It's because of this that I'm much more likely to express my feelings in the form of a letter, if it all, so I can respond uninterruptedly. I find sometimes that conversation dynamics where people desire a certain sort of response or result retroactively infringe upon being able to communicate faithfully with someone.

    Hmm it kinda surprises me that you would find only writing from one type to be dizzying...especially because I've extensively studied philosophy texts, primarily by LII's (Fichte, Hegel (absolutely not an EIE as some have painted him), Kant) etc. that I think the average person would meet with unbalanced vertigo.

    Also in response to the style of cognition...I'm not sure I relate to this, though it's awfully specific and I can't imagine anyone completely relating wholeheartedly to any of these styles. What I can say is that I am very obviously not a causal determinist and most likely not a holographic type because I don't see anything converging to a whole in the way described here.

    "IEI before sleep visualizes a pleasant scene to remove disturbing experiences of the day."

    That's incredibly foreign to me. I almost exclusively focus on obsessive and problematic things before falling asleep and this is likely one of the reasons I'm an insomniac.

    The part of this that is closer is the following:

    IEI as if in a kaleidoscope sees whimsical iridescent imagery, dissolving then receding in flux.

    I can certainly see how someone would relate this to poetry and scene creation. Still, it's not quite in line with the way I go about creation because it seems a bit too passive and free-flowing.

    Anyhow...it seems like the16types consensus is IEI. I'm going to take this all with a grain of salt, especially because I can't relate to anything that describes Beta, though I might say the way socionics seems to operate is creating the image of its quadra in reference to their extroverted attitudes, and being an introvert, I strongly lack both of these.

    In reference to what Eliza says, and these types of cognition, I would be interested to hear what another type with this style has to say...any LIIs? Is this experienced the same way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVNA View Post
    On the IEI's use of introverted ethics: "They are often more concerned with the energy and emotional responses of others around them. They are more interested in the dynamism of their emotional surroundings and often are inclined to adapt their behavior or even their persona to fit the situation."

    I actually can't relate to this at all. I'm very indifferent to people's emotional responses to me and care much more that they have understood where I stand. It's because of this that I'm much more likely to express my feelings in the form of a letter, if it all, so I can respond uninterruptedly. I find sometimes that conversation dynamics where people desire a certain sort of response or result retroactively infringe upon being able to communicate faithfully with someone.

    Hmm it kinda surprises me that you would find only writing from one type to be dizzying...especially because I've extensively studied philosophy texts, primarily by LII's (Fichte, Hegel (absolutely not an EIE as some have painted him), Kant) etc. that I think the average person would meet with unbalanced vertigo.

    Also in response to the style of cognition...I'm not sure I relate to this, though it's awfully specific and I can't imagine anyone completely relating wholeheartedly to any of these styles. What I can say is that I am very obviously not a causal determinist and most likely not a holographic type because I don't see anything converging to a whole in the way described here.

    "IEI before sleep visualizes a pleasant scene to remove disturbing experiences of the day."

    That's incredibly foreign to me. I almost exclusively focus on obsessive and problematic things before falling asleep and this is likely one of the reasons I'm an insomniac.

    The part of this that is closer is the following:

    IEI as if in a kaleidoscope sees whimsical iridescent imagery, dissolving then receding in flux.

    I can certainly see how someone would relate this to poetry and scene creation. Still, it's not quite in line with the way I go about creation because it seems a bit too passive and free-flowing.

    Anyhow...it seems like the16types consensus is IEI. I'm going to take this all with a grain of salt, especially because I can't relate to anything that describes Beta, though I might say the way socionics seems to operate is creating the image of its quadra in reference to their extroverted attitudes, and being an introvert, I strongly lack both of these.

    In reference to what Eliza says, and these types of cognition, I would be interested to hear what another type with this style has to say...any LIIs? Is this experienced the same way?
    Yes, please, absolutely do take it with that grain of salt because none of us knows you firsthand.

    I wouldn’t get hung up on those canned type descriptions, because they are always going to be full of things you can relate to Bc of vagueness, and things you can’t relate to Bc too specific. Similar with quadra descriptions ... I don’t necessarily relate to what is said of beta quadra, but going by the functions and intertype relations, over time my best typing in this theory became clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVNA View Post
    Anyhow...it seems like the16types consensus is IEI. I'm going to take this all with a grain of salt, especially because I can't relate to anything that describes Beta,
    Well I am often right but not always. Maybe you are not IEI. The fact that there are so few things you relate to on those pages, as well as your not relating to Beta things, makes it a very good possibility that you are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Well I am often right but not always. Maybe you are not IEI. The fact that there are so few things you relate to on those pages, as well as your not relating to Beta things, makes it a very good possibility that you are not.
    I have some issues with this test...but it quite clearly shows Beta as a quadra contains my lowest values. That said, if I trusted the test fully I wouldn't have come on this site to speak with others on the matter.

    Legend for the Quadra values chart below:

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVNA View Post
    I have some issues with this test...but it quite clearly shows Beta as a quadra contains my lowest values. That said, if I trusted the test fully I wouldn't have come on this site to speak with others on the matter.
    to trust to be typed correctly without video is also doubtful
    nonverbal is at least a half of the useful data

    Quote Originally Posted by LVNA View Post
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    The difference of the strenght is not significant. While to understand clearly what is your valued is doubtful without IR, what needs you to type people you.
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