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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    yeah you're probably right; does math bother you?

    how do you feel about traditional organized religion
    Math doesn't bother me, I just find it boring and it hurts my head.

    Religion is very stupid, but they do a lot of charity work and give people comfort and community so it's alright.
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    Why do you think you could be IEE? Just asking because I kind of have hard time with it.

    Humanitarian thinking, focused on psychological issues, inner workings of people which is largely (seeing inside of external) and .
    I think your thoughts are just very attached to living reality. Which is cool because mine are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwiftyrickty View Post
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    There's a couple pics of my dad, step sister and step Mom if you wanna look at him.
    Yeah, your dad looks Ne/Si IxTx. More Sensor in 2nd pic.

    I went back to your questionnaire, I'll just stick to IxE-Ne for you for now. I originally saw (and still see) Delta though, just considered ILE after others noted that option. You just seem like you fit in calm down-to-earth environments. Also, it's a bit hard to imagine you with Fe HA of ILE that's kind of funnier and less refined, also less subdued than what you displayed for your emotionality. Of course Fe doesn't get displayed constantly for ILEs, but it's just hard to imagine you go like that. If that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Why do you think you could be IEE? Just asking because I kind of have hard time with it.

    Humanitarian thinking, focused on psychological issues, inner workings of people which is largely (seeing inside of external) and .
    I think your thoughts are just very attached to living reality. Which is cool because mine are not.
    You just want me as your dual don't you? Lol we can be honorary duals.

    I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning though. Could you give me some examples?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwiftyrickty View Post
    @Olimpia, you probably don't remember since it was a while ago, but you were trying to convince me I was a different type like three months ago so if you have time I'd appreciate your input.
    Hey, I remember our little convo, but I checked it again just in case.

    Also read your questionnaire. And again, it strikes me as quite 9ish, though I can also see some 6 in there. I'd say 9 > 6, maybe 9w1 > 6w7 core.
    Heart-fix isn't as clear, but it could actually be 3 fix last. It is a bit of a joke of mine, which is actually rather true in most cases: Whenever a heart fix is unclear, the person is usually 3 fix last. 2 and 4 fixes are very obvious to outside observers (same for 5 and 7 btw). Besides, your focus on having a job is rather 3ish, too. Because your 9 and mind fix are stacked before your 3, your 3ness isn't as "strong" and more subdued – your desire for prestige isn't as high – but it is in the background. So tritype-wise, I could see 963 for you.

    And similar to last time, I also get the impression you might be LII > EII > SEI >> LSI-Ti > ESI-Fi.

    You don't really strike me as Ne lead. You come across as a more chill, laid-back person than an Ne lead would be. Ne leads are Ni ignoring and have only 1D Si, so they can be quite all over the place, ungrounded, and lack introspection (similar to Se leads). Furthermore, I get the impression you have more of an awareness of Si than Si seeking would. When you talk about your appearance (-> acne) or wanting to do more physical activity, it struck me more as Si HA > Si seeking. If you were Ne lead with your level of Si, you'd have to be IEE-Fi or ILE-Ti, but I don't see you having boosted 4D Fe nor Te. There is a lack of strong emotionality or business acumen. Additionally, you rather V.I as LII-Ne > EII-Ne.

    But there seems to be a bit of extroversion in you. I am not sure whether it is just an extroverted subtype or just your stacking or both.

    Stacking wise I thought of So/Sx > Sx/Sp >> Sx/So.

    Sorry for not giving you a more "definite" or clear-cut typing.
    But I gotta go with Sol's philosophy of videos here – could help a lot if you posted a video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwiftyrickty View Post
    You just want me as your dual don't you? Lol we can be honorary duals.

    I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning though. Could you give me some examples?
    Let's see: can you justify having humanitarian perspective instead of being light socialite?
    I just see socialite perspective. Hanging out doing things etc. Sure there are ethical reasons behind it (which as you put it is similar with EII). Seems like your adjustment for that role is particularly good and you get enjoyment out of it. Very good fit. Sounds cool to me. Your continual ability to build up expression strikes as ethical that values .

    Researcher: you clearly want to show your reasoning abilities. However you are not entirely comfortable in that position. They would still try to push if they find it hard. It is more demonstrative streak. Would you become entirely depleted if you can't conduct research perspective in your life?

    Now give me some counter arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    Hey, I remember our little convo, but I checked it again just in case.

    Also read your questionnaire. And again, it strikes me as quite 9ish, though I can also see some 6 in there. I'd say 9 > 6, maybe 9w1 > 6w7 core.
    Heart-fix isn't as clear, but it could actually be 3 fix last. It is a bit of a joke of mine, which is actually rather true in most cases: Whenever a heart fix is unclear, the person is usually 3 fix last. 2 and 4 fixes are very obvious to outside observers (same for 5 and 7 btw). Besides, your focus on having a job is rather 3ish, too. Because your 9 and mind fix are stacked before your 3, your 3ness isn't as "strong" and more subdued – your desire for prestige isn't as high – but it is in the background. So tritype-wise, I could see 963 for you.

    And similar to last time, I also get the impression you might be LII > EII > SEI >> LSI-Ti > ESI-Fi.

    You don't really strike me as Ne lead. You come across as a more chill, laid-back person than an Ne lead would be. Ne leads are Ni ignoring and have only 1D Si, so they can be quite all over the place, ungrounded, and lack introspection (similar to Se leads). Furthermore, I get the impression you have more of an awareness of Si than Si seeking would. When you talk about your appearance (-> acne) or wanting to do more physical activity, it struck me more as Si HA > Si seeking. If you were Ne lead with your level of Si, you'd have to be IEE-Fi or ILE-Ti, but I don't see you having boosted 4D Fe nor Te. There is a lack of strong emotionality or business acumen. Additionally, you rather V.I as LII-Ne > EII-Ne.

    But there seems to be a bit of extroversion in you. I am not sure whether it is just an extroverted subtype or just your stacking or both.

    Stacking wise I thought of So/Sx > Sx/Sp >> Sx/So.

    Sorry for not giving you a more "definite" or clear-cut typing.
    But I gotta go with Sol's philosophy of videos here – could help a lot if you posted a video.
    You did or didn't see my videos? I did the second one Sol's way and I think the sound is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Let's see: can you justify having humanitarian perspective instead of being light socialite?
    I just see socialite perspective. Hanging out doing things etc. Sure there are ethical reasons behind it (which as you put it is similar with EII). Seems like your adjustment for that role is particularly good and you get enjoyment out of it. Very good fit. Sounds cool to me. Your continual ability to build up expression strikes as ethical that values .

    Researcher: you clearly want to show your reasoning abilities. However you are not entirely comfortable in that position. They would still try to push if they find it hard. It is more demonstrative streak. Would you become entirely depleted if you can't conduct research perspective in your life?

    Now give me some counter arguments.
    the x but y balanced responses make me think of dialectical cognition as well

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    What about ESFx type 2w3 heavily leaning gamma sf (ESFp)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    What about ESFx type 2w3 heavily leaning gamma sf (ESFp)
    I feel that my Se is pretty weak. I did originally type as ESFP in mbti though. And 2w3 I believe is my heart fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
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    I actually wouldn't think ESE is out of the question. Watching myself on video has made me realize my Fe is a lot more significant than I thought. Kinda interesting. That still just makes me think I'm IEE again though. Buut I'm also starting to warm to the idea of being alpha.
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    Here's the thing though, I turn it on when I have an audience for sure, but in my romantic relationships I get called cynical, sarcastic, emotionless, etc. And my coworkers call me "monotone", mostly referring to my customer service. Which is not how I see myself at all. But people always say that. But get me in a group of people I like or put me in the center of attention and I can become very animated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwiftyrickty View Post
    I feel that my Se is pretty weak. I did originally type as ESFP in mbti though. And 2w3 I believe is my heart fix.
    Well there ya have it

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwiftyrickty View Post
    I actually wouldn't think ESE is out of the question. Watching myself on video has made me realize my Fe is a lot more significant than I thought. Kinda interesting. That still just makes me think I'm IEE again though. Buut I'm also starting to warm to the idea of being alpha.
    Fe in your video wasn't Fe ego, like, at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by schwiftyrickty View Post
    Here's the thing though, I turn it on when I have an audience for sure, but in my romantic relationships I get called cynical, sarcastic, emotionless, etc. And my coworkers call me "monotone", mostly referring to my customer service. Which is not how I see myself at all. But people always say that. But get me in a group of people I like or put me in the center of attention and I can become very animated.
    Hmm well, maybe you really are ILE then lol, and then I just didn't manage to imagine you in Fe HA mode.


    Your video too, btw, it came off as alpha NT. I almost thought LII, but your questionnaire isn't matching LII, so... ILE can make sense for it yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Let's see: can you justify having humanitarian perspective instead of being light socialite?
    I just see socialite perspective. Hanging out doing things etc. Sure there are ethical reasons behind it (which as you put it is similar with EII). Seems like your adjustment for that role is particularly good and you get enjoyment out of it. Very good fit. Sounds cool to me. Your continual ability to build up expression strikes as ethical that values .

    Researcher: you clearly want to show your reasoning abilities. However you are not entirely comfortable in that position. They would still try to push if they find it hard. It is more demonstrative streak. Would you become entirely depleted if you can't conduct research perspective in your life?

    Now give me some counter arguments.
    Sorry I needed some time to think. I really still need time to think but don't want everyone to forget about me lol.

    I can somewhat relate to being a "light socialite", but for one thing I am not actively a socialite at all (though I would kind of like to be if I had more people I actually wanted to be around). Any socialite vibes you get from me are probably because I am So/sx. I very very rarely leave the house except to go to work or run errands. Maybe every 4-6 months I will go to a bar or a party (I do very much enjoy parties when they happen and get quickly swept up in Fe atmospheres, but I also like to latch onto one person in an Fi manner at times). I used to go over to my coworkers' house every once in a while (two ST brothers [SLE and SLI] that both worked with me) to smoke and play COD but they moved like 45 minutes away. I've been over there once since then. The only reason I ever really went there before was to be polite tbh and it was an attempt to make male friends and do male things. 90% of my close friends are female and I feel like maybe I'm missing out on something or I have something to learn. I don't really think I learned much besides that I enjoy FPS games slightly more than I thought I would. But I still prefer RPGs. I used to be a big WoW nerd. I'd play it now if I had a PC.

    I know tests aren't a good way to decide type but I score very consistently as IEE in every single socionics test I've ever taken, and have for years, usually with EII as a close second followed by ILE. By comparison, my enneagram test results are all over the board (Usually I score as 7w6 but also 7w8, 9w1, 2w3, 6w7, or even 3w2?? Which was baffling given my under-achieving). Here's a screenshot of my most recent test results if you're interested.
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    I struggle with Si stuff but appreciate others who are strong in Si. I am messy, disorganized, rarely cook, don't give a flying fuck about aesthetics at all unless it is about my own appearance and even that comes and goes (sidenote: Before my ex-fiancee, I had awful fashion sense and tended to go from one extreme to another and either dressed in very flashy, bright colored clothing with huge hair or dressed kinda like a grandpa. She made me get rid of all my white socks, oversized outdated jeans, walmart sneakers, unflattering glasses, etc. I must admit she was right.), I'm not at all nurturing in the physical sense and my mom used to lecture me all the time about being a good host and being a good boyfriend. When I was a kid I'd have friends over and she'd be like "Ask your friend if they need a pillow, some water, etc." and I'd say obviously if they needed something they'd ask and I'd get it for them, how am I expected to forsee their every need? I think I am better about this now, but that is a big thing she instilled in me along with generosity and kindness to the less fortunate, and especially service workers, waiters and cashiers and the like. And I am always willing to help people with their problems. I am constantly loaning money to people for example and often never get it back and it's not a big deal to me.

    Another thing kind of related to that is this: Let me just reiterate how little I care about material possessions and money. I would rather have my car stolen than a single notebook, or even to have someone glance at my computer files lol, and not just because of porn, though that is part of it for sure. I think this may be related to Obstinate vs. Yielding dichotomies but It's hard for me to understand exactly which one is which and I am skeptical of the accuracy/meaningfulness of most Reinin's dichotomies anyway. But yeah I protect my ideas, thoughts, feelings and creations with ferocity but don't care at all about possessions. The SEIs I know tend to be a little more materialistic and care much more about personal space. If someone dropped my 600 dollar phone and shattered the screen I would go out of my way to not make them feel bad about it and say it's okay, I was due for an upgrade anyway, even if that wasn't strictly true. Shit happens, I wouldn't expect them to pay for it. Maybe I'd even think it was a blessing in disguise and be excited to live without a phone for a while. But I freak the fuck out if someone uses one of my dozens of notebooks because I wouldn't want anyone looking at my thoughts or unfinished projects.

    I actually agree with what you said here: "Researcher: you clearly want to show your reasoning abilities. However you are not entirely comfortable in that position." and it is one of the main reasons I struggle to see myself as NT type. I am not super confident in my reasoning abilities at all (unless I'm up against someone I consider my intellectual inferior, and honestly that is most of the people I associate with, but I'm not saying I think I'm way smarter than everyone. I just hang around dumb people lol.), though I do love a good argument, but I would be nervous to argue with someone who I actually thought was smarter than me or at least good at arguing, and my arguments often take on an ethical tone.

    I do think it's possible that I value Fe, but it's not something I think is important, at least consciously. I just think of it as frivolous fun, which admittedly I love, but it's more of a guilty pleasure than a need, I think. I think I value Te because I envy people who are strong in it and I wish every day I was more productive and practical, but alas I am very much not. Also why I kinda doubt ILE because I can't see myself having 4D Te. Ignoring actually seems more likely than demonstrative since I generally find Te matters obvious but uninteresting (yet I find it necessary to be successful), but I am way more outgoing than your typical LII and frankly I'm surprised yet quite flattered so many people on here are suggesting LII at all. Main reason I'd accept LII is because I wouldn't be surprised if Se was my Polr at all and I hate Se more than any other element by far. Also why I prefer Delta typing because I have a lot of conflict with Beta types, though many good friends of mine are Gamma SF and I believe my favorite cousin growing up was ILI but otherwise I can't say I know many Gamma NTs. I think Se paired with Fi is just less obnoxious than if paired with Fe.

    Why do I identify as NF? Mostly my love of soft sciences particularly sociology and psychology and literature. My belief in the importance of charity and empathy. My head-in-the-clouds soft-heartedness. Imagination and desire to do something big and good in this world.

    And if I couldn't conduct research in my life? My life would be basically meaningless. Learning (about almost everything) and creating (stories and ideas, nothing tangible) are by far the most important things in my life. I spend 90% of my time looking things up, brainstorming, and watching TV [usually while taking notes or jotting down ideas I got from what I'm watching. And pausing every five minutes or so to look up something they said].

    And lastly, I am a very optimistic person though I've been depressed lately. I think the reason I am so optimistic is because I learn new stuff everyday and I am just amazed at the world around me. The variety, the oddities (my personal favorite), the possibilities, the good, the evil, the pleasure, the horror. As long as I have access to information and people, I have an endless source of stimulation. And even a single person's mind is limitless. Much of my disappointment in myself comes from my failure to use my opportunities and mind to their fullest potential because of my laziness and distractibility (plus I am often frozen by indecision). I hate that I have limitless potential (like everyone, not just me) and yet I choose to spend all my time spinning my wheels and engaging in a lot of mental masturbation. That's why I believe I am Ne dominant and also why I think I'm a 7, though 9 is still an option or even 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    the x but y balanced responses make me think of dialectical cognition as well
    Could you explain that concept to me? I can only find it online in reference to DBT. Is that related? I am quite aware of my tendency to word every argument in that format. I think I do it partly to cover my ass if I'm ever wrong (I am often wrong even when I feel certain of something, and I hate it when other people aggressively express "facts" that they are not 100% certain of. And I believe it is nearly impossible to be 100% certain of anything), and partly out of diplomacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwiftyrickty View Post
    Maybe every 4-6 months I will go to a bar or a party (I do very much enjoy parties when they happen and get quickly swept up in Fe atmospheres, but I also like to latch onto one person in an Fi manner at times).
    I don't know what you mean by Fi manner...?

    Getting swept up in the Fe atmosphere, with that wording, that sounds like Fe superid alright, it sounded like a bit passive seeking of it


    If someone dropped my 600 dollar phone and shattered the screen I would go out of my way to not make them feel bad about it and say it's okay, I was due for an upgrade anyway, even if that wasn't strictly true. Shit happens, I wouldn't expect them to pay for it. Maybe I'd even think it was a blessing in disguise and be excited to live without a phone for a while. But I freak the fuck out if someone uses one of my dozens of notebooks because I wouldn't want anyone looking at my thoughts or unfinished projects.
    o_o


    I do think it's possible that I value Fe, but it's not something I think is important, at least consciously. I just think of it as frivolous fun. I think I value Te because I envy people who are strong in it and I wish every day I was more productive and practical, but alas I am very much not. Also why I kinda doubt ILE because I can't see myself having 4D Te. Ignoring actually seems more likely than demonstrative since I generally find Te matters obvious but uninteresting (yet I find it necessary to be successful), but I am way more outgoing than your typical LII and frankly I'm surprised yet quite flattered so many people on here are suggesting LII at all.
    I dunno, like I said your video is pretty alpha NT and I thought of LII way sooner than ILE from it. But then your questionnaire seemed a bit more Ne lead, I guess you don't need to exclude LII at this point though. Your concerns about smarter people in arguments do sound very much like the concerns I've heard from LIIs before, have yet to hear ILE saying that, idk if that means anything.



    Main reason I'd accept LII is because I wouldn't be surprised if Se was my Polr at all and I hate Se more than any other element by far. Also why I prefer Delta typing because I have a lot of conflict with Beta types, though many good friends of mine are Gamma SF and I believe my favorite cousin growing up was ILI but otherwise I can't say I know many Gamma NTs. I think Se paired with Fi is just less obnoxious than if paired with Fe.
    Lol ok now I'm curious, what do you call "Se paired with Fe"? Please, everyday words, no obscure Socionics lingo, if you can.


    Why do I identify as NF? Mostly my love of soft sciences particularly sociology and psychology and literature. My belief in the importance of charity and empathy. My head-in-the-clouds soft-heartedness. Imagination and desire to do something big and good in this world.
    Head in the clouds is just N (and Ne even more so). LII could say all this too. Even ILE could, really.


    And if I couldn't conduct research in my life? My life would be basically meaningless. Learning (about almost everything) and creating (stories and ideas, nothing tangible) are by far the most important things in my life. I spend 90% of my time looking things up, brainstorming, and watching TV [usually while taking notes or jotting down ideas I got from what I'm watching. And pausing every five minutes or so to look up something they said].
    This is 100% alpha NT. I don't think you need to consider delta NF any more.

    Ne subtype for you of either alpha NT, at this point, IMO.

    And maybe the subduedness with regard to Fe (when I said I'm not seeing Fe HA for some reason) is explained by you being LII rather than ILE

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    @Troll Nr 007 also sorry if you started reading all that right when I posted it. It is now heavily edited like all my posts lol.
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    I enjoy sorting things into different categories. Not sure what to make of this. It’s a big part of why I enjoy typology because it combines my love of people-watching and analysis. But I also enjoy it in a more straightforward way. I sort my clothing into categories and am interested in categories and statistics in most ways.
    I went back to your questionnaire (I still can't say I read it all though), and I can see LII more now. This bit is really Ti stereotypically and there were a few other things about your Ti-ish expectations for people.

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    Thinking ego as a possibility. EII seems off. LII sounds very interesting because you would be very unusual case. Outside of egos and alpha SF's I would consider SEE.


    LII?


    How would you describe your thinking and in your own ways? Like what happens when you think something. Sorting something in categories sounds more base thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    I went back to your questionnaire (I still can't say I read it all though), and I can see LII more now. This bit is really Ti stereotypically and there were a few other things about your Ti-ish expectations for people.
    I actually think this is one of my most defining characteristics, but also one I'm extremely embarrassed to admit to people. Very few people know this about me. The one file that I would never want anyone to see is my typing spreadsheet. It has three separate sheets for people I know IRL, fictional characters, and characters I've created myself. It goes into almost OCDish detail about real people I know. I would probably off myself if anyone ever saw it lol. I've been maintaining and updating it for several years and it is extremely large.

    I also used to enjoy rating peoples' attractiveness on a numerical scale (a practice I find disgusting and avoid these days lol). And I could write a novella about my perfect partner and all the characteristics she must have. Like super detailed.

    So yeah LII is certainly a possibility, my main thing is that my weird Ti-ness is mostly focused on people and I'm stupid with tech and math so it's hard for me to relate to "scientist" stereotypes. Though I'm actually good at chemistry and things like that and find that and natural science very interesting.

    So yeah if I could get rid of my prejudices about NT types all being STEM nerds, I think I could find a home in LII. But there is also the fact that I was quite obnoxious and outgoing as a teenager, but perhaps that was a phase or some sort of role I wanted to fill for some reason.

    Also I don't blame you at all for not reading the entire questionnaire. I am really long winded in general and I find most of the questions on these questionnaires quite boring myself. It literally took me three days to finish writing it.
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    What are the defining characteristics of your ideal partner?

    Assuming you’re in your mid-twenties and fairly mature about your choices, this can point toward your own type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    I don't know what you mean by Fi manner...?

    Getting swept up in the Fe atmosphere, with that wording, that sounds like Fe superid alright, it sounded like a bit passive seeking of it




    o_o




    I dunno, like I said your video is pretty alpha NT and I thought of LII way sooner than ILE from it. But then your questionnaire seemed a bit more Ne lead, I guess you don't need to exclude LII at this point though. Your concerns about smarter people in arguments do sound very much like the concerns I've heard from LIIs before, have yet to hear ILE saying that, idk if that means anything.





    Lol ok now I'm curious, what do you call "Se paired with Fe"? Please, everyday words, no obscure Socionics lingo, if you can.




    Head in the clouds is just N (and Ne even more so). LII could say all this too. Even ILE could, really.




    This is 100% alpha NT. I don't think you need to consider delta NF any more.

    Ne subtype for you of either alpha NT, at this point, IMO.

    And maybe the subduedness with regard to Fe (when I said I'm not seeing Fe HA for some reason) is explained by you being LII rather than ILE

    By Se paired with Fe I mean valuing aggression/forcefulness with more emphasis on energy/loudness/fun than on kindness/social skills/respect. And by in an Fi manner I mean sometimes I will lock onto one person and totally ignore everyone else in the room (something my SEI ex hated), often sneaking away to do weird shit or have probing, personal conversations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    What are the defining characteristics of your ideal partner?

    Assuming you’re in your mid-twenties and fairly mature about your choices, this can point toward your own type.

    Thanks for finally emerging from the shadows lol.

    To answer your question though...oh God. Where do I begin.

    4'10-5'6 (ideally 5'0-5'3. I'm barely 5'8 and I like to look tall.), preferably brown or black hair, curly is better than straight. Brown or hazel eyes are best. Asian is best, followed by black, then hispanic, and white is less attractive in my opinion, but race doesn't really matter. Soft and curvaceous, even chubby. I don't really like skinny or athletic looking girls.

    Feminine in an earthy way. I don't really care for a lot of makeup. I also don't like very long or very short hair. I prefer a bob. Don't care for prissiness or obsession with cleanliness or looks.

    Good with children and animals. Practical yet dreamy. Open to new perspectives but not a pushover and must have a strong and distinctive personality. Classic/timeless style. Organized. Intelligent. Successful. Nurturing. A good cook. Well read. Likes the things I like or is at least willing to try for the sake of connection. And also introduces me to new things. Artistic is a plus. Sex positive, especially in a creative way. Idealistic. Family-oriented. Appreciates humor. Interesting. Maybe even mysterious.
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    All but the last paragraph is your Imago, which is not really type-related.

    However, reading your last paragraph reminds me most of a woman I know who is SEI-Si. FWIW.

    *EDIT* @silke describes this sub-type as “laggish, intelligent, and sensual.”

    The woman I know is a caregiver (when she and her student-husband couldn’t have kids, she adopted), intelligent, indulgent, practical, laughs when she’s not around me (her conflictor), and is overweight to the point of being chubby. She Is in charge of her marriage and takes care of both her marriage and her work in the office. The rest of the items on your list may or may not apply. IDK. She and I don’t talk much at all because she despises me. Not for anything I’ve done, as far as I can tell. She just doesn’t like me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    All but the last paragraph is your Imago, which is not really type-related.

    However, reading your last paragraph reminds me most of a woman I know who is SEI-Si. FWIW.
    Yeah, that part was more to illustrate the fact that I have a very specific ideal woman. And fortunately I don't really have a lot of trouble finding women like that since I don't feel that my tastes are that unrealistic. Like I prefer interesting looking people to conventionally attractive people.

    I do believe SEI is my ideal type. I also like EIIs and SLIs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    I went back to your questionnaire (I still can't say I read it all though), and I can see LII more now. This bit is really Ti stereotypically and there were a few other things about your Ti-ish expectations for people.
    A couple more reasons I relate to Ti: I love making lists.

    And another weird thing about me is that when I was about twelve years old I invented my own written language/code and I have been improving on it and changing it for years to get it to a point that it is impossible to decipher and looks like a real language instead of just a bunch of symbols like !@#$%^. I write in my own language when I don't want anyone to see what I'm writing and I can write in it almost as fast as I could write normally, though it's often hard for me to go back and read what I've written. I have hundreds of pages of stuff that is in my own language. It's gotten pretty advanced over the years and I'm fairly confident it would take a professional to decipher it. And even then, sometimes I will switch back and forth between old/new style symbols so there isn't enough consistency for others to figure it out.

    And that is also indicative of how private I am about my own ideas and writing. (The only problem with this system is if I write in a strange looking language at school or work it actually draws more attention to what I'm doing than if I just wrote regularly, so sometimes I'll just intentionally write very sloppy or small so no one can read it.) Once I actually had a kid come up to me after college algebra to comment on what I was doing because he thought it looked cool and he was making a comic book and wanted me to help him invent a language for a race he had created.

    Oh and although I am really disorganized and random in most matters, I do have systems for certain things and I get very annoyed if people do things the wrong way in things that I have my own systems for.
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    ^This is Ne all over the place.

    Inventing a new language, and then continuously changing it because, Why not?

    Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    ^This is Ne all over the place.

    Inventing a new language, and then continuously changing it because, Why not?

    Lol.
    Haha you think? But I actually change it so no one can learn it, not for no reason. And just to improve on it. Do you think this is Ne+Ti?
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    Haha you think? But I actually change it so no one can learn it, not for no reason. And just to improve on it. Do you think this is Ne+Ti?

    I think that this is textbook Ne+Ti.

    However, Ne does not like to arrive at a final destination. So, .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I think that this is textbook Ne+Ti.

    However, Ne does not like to arrive at a final destination. So, .....
    I fully believe that my language will evolve until the day I die. Though I do wish I could perfect it just to say I perfected something, but that would kind of defeat the purpose of making an indecipherable language.
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    Inventing language sounds like something what LII would do. They have special fetish when it comes to grammar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Inventing language sounds like something what LII would do. They have special fetish when it comes to grammar.
    That is definitely me, though I'm not a stickler on forums because I think it can water down relevant typing information so I try to write in the same way I think. But I do love to go back and add stuff I missed and I'll fix obvious errors.
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    Another thing that strikes me as LII about myself is that I strongly relate to Ben from Parks and Recreation if anyone watches it and he is usually typed as LII. I always felt a strong connection to him and wasn't sure if it was a "man crush" (I get them a lot lol. Or platonic crushes on women.) or if I admired him/commiserated with him.

    In one arc he creates this really detailed (to a ridiculous degree) tabletop game that seems like something I would invent. Then he realized the game was "nothing" and was sad. I never related more to someone haha. And especially to his emotions later when he realized other people had somehow gotten a hold of the game and were obsessed with it. I would love to do something like that. Actually my biggest dream in life is to write a novel that becomes a movie series that people love so much that they write fanfiction about it so I can read the fanfiction people wrote about my own universe. I would feel like a god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Thinking ego as a possibility. EII seems off. LII sounds very interesting because you would be very unusual case. Outside of egos and alpha SF's I would consider SEE.


    LII?


    How would you describe your thinking and in your own ways? Like what happens when you think something. Sorting something in categories sounds more base thing.
    Yeah EII doesn't really seem right to me either. The main reason I considered it is because I felt like my Polr was more Se than Ti and I assumed I was Fi ego. And since I had typed as IEE for so long it seemed absurd to switch from Ti Polr to Ti base.

    I'm curious what about me seems SEE? Especially since it is LII's conflictor? I did initially type as ESFP when I first discovered MBTI in high school. Then started to type as IEE when I learned about socionics. Even when I took MBTI oriented cognitive function tests I would always score suspiciously high in Ti though. But I figured that was just personal bias and I moreso WANTED to be a Ti user.

    My mom is an SEE I believe. It wouldn't be that weird to have her as my conflictor because she and I almost always get in huge arguments when we see each other and I have zero respect for her outside of appreciating her generosity and humor.

    Perhaps this is Ti related in itself that I find it pretty upsetting that I might be the exact opposite type of what I first typed as. Because that means socionics is not as cut and dry as I wish it was and I've probably been working on incorrect assumptions all these years. Logical consistency is indeed very important to me and I have a deep appreciation for descriptive systems that are beautifully complex, specific, symmetrical, and accurate.

    Also it upsets me a bit when I read old forum posts and see that someone has been making all these assertions about their presumed type and later they change their type to something completely different. An irrational part of me would almost prefer to attempt to morph into the type that I thought I was than admit to myself I was wrong about myself the whole time and everything I've believed has been a lie.

    But yeah now that I think about it, I'm starting to think that the only reason I went down this path of thinking I am EXFP is because that is the persona I had in high school and I happened to discover MBTI in high school. But I was much different as a child and later as an adult.
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    It is just your energy which is not very ignoring if I was considering gamma SF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    All but the last paragraph is your Imago, which is not really type-related.

    However, reading your last paragraph reminds me most of a woman I know who is SEI-Si. FWIW.

    *EDIT* @silke describes this sub-type as “laggish, intelligent, and sensual.”

    The woman I know is a caregiver (when she and her student-husband couldn’t have kids, she adopted), intelligent, indulgent, practical, laughs when she’s not around me (her conflictor), and is overweight to the point of being chubby. She Is in charge of her marriage and takes care of both her marriage and her work in the office. The rest of the items on your list may or may not apply. IDK. She and I don’t talk much at all because she despises me. Not for anything I’ve done, as far as I can tell. She just doesn’t like me.
    She sounds a lot like my stepmom who I also believe is an SEI. I loooove my stepmom. I think she is one of the best people I've ever met.

    Also, I've seen you a lot around here since I've been lurking for years. You've always seemed cool to me lol so I can't imagine being your conflictor. Assuming you're properly typed of course, but I can't think of any LIEs that I know IRL so I have little to go off of. I really don't think I'm SEI myself. Does anyone still think I might be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    It is just your energy which is not very ignoring if I was considering gamma SF.
    I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what you mean here beyond that I am clearly not ESI, which I don't think was every really an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwiftyrickty View Post
    I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what you mean here beyond that I am clearly not ESI, which I don't think was every really an option.
    Since I thought you could be SEI. It is not that hard to find surprisingly similar contrary types.
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