Are you guided by your values?

[Shazaam]

I guess technically 'everybody has values' but it still sounds too self-righteous/pretentious and holier-than-thou and Oprah-ish to me.

I value what is actually valuable. So I value money and real resources that can be exchanged.

But I also value the government not getting too out of hand/lessening it's power over people's lives, moderate political views, eroticism, and close/meaningful relationships. I value quieting the mind down so life can be lived/enjoyed more better. I value working on compromises between people so hatred can be lessened in the world. I value art and freedom and collapsing institutional abuse. I value independence and thinking for one's self and not following the herd just because it's easier. I value queer empowerment ideologies, as long as they don't get too SJW-y and CC the very people they're supposed to cast Esuna on. I value working on your own darkness- realizing your own dark impulses, and being aware of them, not acting on them; this is much more respectable to me in terms of "being good/ethical" than 'there's a bad guy- get 'em!' Nobody's "good", life is about choices- and making the right choices when you are tempted to do something otherwise. I value encouraging people when they are being good, not just chastising them when they are bad - though sometimes that is necessary too. I value questioning authority. I value not being a hypocrite. I value having a sense of humor.

[Singu]

You don't have the same genes throughout your entire body. You didn't even have the same genes throughout your entire body while you were in the womb.

Again, so? Actually genes don't change through activation/deactivation of certain genes, genes can only change through random mutation and sexual reproduction.

[Pallas]

Again, so? Actually genes don't change through activation/deactivation of certain genes, genes can only change through random mutation and sexual reproduction.

Genes mutate throughout the entire body. You also get cells from other organisms through being in the womb, through viruses inserting and removing sections of your DNA, and other fun things. Those science quizzes that say all cells in the body have the same DNA are like those diagrams of atoms with electrons stuck on circles.

[Sanguine Miasma]

I guess, I still believe there are other forces that drives people than their values. Someone driven hard by their values might go blind to some other aspects of reality. Also there are religious people who do science, even when science valued people often ridicule religions, people can hold opposite values.

I don't want to give label value under my actions. It is nonsense to me because you can turn it around while sticking with it. It happens all the time in politics. It is much more important to research keep critical mind.
I guess from here you can extract following values: criticism, keeping integrity of vision (instead crafted by public and just repeating it and applying it senselessly) etc.

And you can see how I turned the whole thing around.


So from here I have noticed of being very disagreeable about value systems and much less disagreeable about people. When you campaign for something against something you are entering into a "war" which is miserable state to be in. It would be much better to have gradual progress without divisive lines. I don't really want to be part of so called lobbyist groups. ugh...

[Aramas]

Did you become a doctor or a nurse to save lives or did you become stockbroker to get success? Or did you not give a shit? xd How much would you say you are guided by your values? What guides you in live?

Desire.

[BeamerBoy]

I guess technically 'everybody has values' but it still sounds too self-righteous/pretentious and holier-than-thou and Oprah-ish to me.

I value what is actually valuable. So I value money and real resources that can be exchanged.

But I also value the government not getting too out of hand/lessening it's power over people's lives, moderate political views, eroticism, and close/meaningful relationships. I value quieting the mind down so life can be lived/enjoyed more better. I value working on compromises between people so hatred can be lessened in the world. I value art and freedom and collapsing institutional abuse. I value independence and thinking for one's self and not following the herd just because it's easier. I value queer empowerment ideologies, as long as they don't get too SJW-y and CC the very people they're supposed to cast Esuna on. I value working on your own darkness- realizing your own dark impulses, and being aware of them, not acting on them; this is much more respectable to me in terms of "being good/ethical" than 'there's a bad guy- get 'em!' Nobody's "good", life is about choices- and making the right choices when you are tempted to do something otherwise. I value encouraging people when they are being good, not just chastising them when they are bad - though sometimes that is necessary too. I value questioning authority. I value not being a hypocrite. I value having a sense of humor.

Essentially, all of what @dead bnd said is what I believe in. I'd actually recommend that more people meditate on their darkness. I've found that your real self can be discovered underneath the surface.

[Delilah]

Cowardice is common. If you have more money, can't you help fund a non profit to help abused women? But people are afraid so they just hold onto their money for themselves and stop there.

This is true to some extend only. I was thinking about the people i was referring that it is not necessarily out of cowardice: some of them had responsibilities like loans to pay off after school for instance.

[Tigerfadder]

Desire.

Yea, other driving force of people.

[Pole]

My values drove me insane when I was being raised religious. Left my faith at 20. Then I was finally able to indulge my appetite for life. My instinctive core values have always been justice, fairness, and winning. I work at a car wash because I value having a roof over my head and food. When I start my career it will mostly be to fulfill myself, but it just happens to also serve others. I want to be in entertainment or a hairstylist.

[Exodus]

Very much so, I've made a lot of sacrifices to pursue something higher out of life.

[Exodus]

And yes, everyone has values that drive what they do, it's just a question of whether they are lower, materialistic values or higher moral-spiritual ones. Mental values fall somewhere in the middle.

[Wavebury]

And yes, everyone has values that drive what they do, it's just a question of whether they are lower, materialistic values or higher moral or spiritual ones. Mental values fall somewhere in the middle.

I think Maslow's hierarchy of needs is useful here. If you don't have the material needs fullfilled, it becomes hard to deal with higher values. Psychological values come after the physical and safety related needs but also need to be addressed before dealing with the spritual, which Maslow calls self-actualisation.



The needs don't have to be fullfilled in a strict order but it serves as a kind of map.

[Skepsis]

Values are quite complex and vary from person to person. We have our strong biological impulses, which also vary between individuals. We can override these impulses by self-restraint. This is essential for a society to function. Our tendency toward forming societies is the results of our biology, which begins with the mother child relationship, and continues with the family and community throughout the long number of years needed for a human child to grow into as much of an independent adult as their culture expects. Groups and societies form a strong safeguard against predators and other humans. This was driven my our biology. This strategy was evolutionarily effective. The larger the group, the better your odds, if looking at the strength in numbers aspect. To sustain this, value systems were created. They became imperative. They are based on reason and emotion.

The regions of the brain that evolved, which made us identifiably human, drove us to form much longer lasting bonds with other individuals, which led to relatively stable groups and societies over time. Our brain developed the capacity for forming value systems that sustain these. Social instincts, which came from other primates and mammals, evolved alongside our intellectual capacities, which included the ability to have self restraint, and for the creation of value systems. These evolved together.

[Singu]

It seems like the "Triadic Reciprocal Deterministic" model (Social Cognitive Theory) is the better model than the "unidirectional personal determinism", which is the one espoused by theories like Socionics, psychoanalysis, humanistic and individualist psychology, etc, which says that the personal psychological factors are the only relevant factor in deciding human behavior. The model that is favored by the majority of psychologists these days would say that obviously a human behavior is the result of a complex mixture and interplay of personal, behavioral and environmental factors and influences.





Triadic Reciprocal Determinism

Social Cognitive Theory was presented by Bandura in response to his dissatisfaction with the principles of behaviorism and psychoanalysis. In these two theories, the role of cognition in motivation and the role of the situation are largely ignored (Bandura, 1977; as cited in Redmond, 2010). "Unidirectional environmental determinism is carried to its extreme in the more radical forms of behaviorism" but humanists and existentialists, who stress the human capacity for conscious judgment and intentional action, contend that individuals determine what they become by their own free choices.

Most psychologists find conceptions of human behavior in terms of unidirectional personal determinism as unsatisfying as those espousing unidirectional environmental determinism. To contend that mind creates reality fails to acknowledge that environmental influences partly determine what people attend to, perceive, and think" (Bandura, 1978, pp.344-345).

Social Cognitive Theory

Albert Bandura's Social Cognitive Theory emphasizes how cognitive, behavioral, personal, and environmental factors interact to determine motivation and behavior (Crothers, Hughes, & Morine, 2008). According to Bandura, human functioning is the result of the interaction among all three of these factors (Crothers et al., 2008), as embodied in his Triadic Reciprocal Determinism model (Wood & Bandura, 1989). While it may seem that one factor is the majority, or lead reason, there are numerous factors that play a role in human behavior. Furthermore, the influencing factors are not of equal strength, nor do they all occur concurrently (Wood & Bandura, 1989). For example, employee performances (behavioral factors) are influenced by how the workers themselves are affected (cognitive factors) by organizational strategies (environmental factors).

https://wikispaces.psu.edu/display/P...ficacyTheories

[Singu]

[Tonatiuh]

Did you become a doctor or a nurse to save lives or did you become stockbroker to get success? Or did you not give a shit? xd How much would you say you are guided by your values? What guides you in live?

Somewhat guided. There are exceptions. My inner code is complex to say the least, it exists though. Or I would behave like a savage all the time.

[Exodus]

I think Maslow's hierarchy of needs is useful here. If you don't have the material needs fullfilled, it becomes hard to deal with higher values. Psychological values come after the physical and safety related needs but also need to be addressed before dealing with the spritual, which Maslow calls self-actualisation.



The needs don't have to be fullfilled in a strict order but it serves as a kind of map.

Except that Maslow's hierarchy has no moral aspect. And, if someone is truly motivated by spiritual values they can give up some of these supposed needs like prestige or friends. The key word here being motivation -- if your motivation is physical needs then you will not progress beyond that.

[Wavebury]

Except that Maslow's hierarchy has no moral aspect. And, if someone is truly motivated by spiritual values they can give up some of these supposed needs like prestige or friends. The key word here being motivation -- if your motivation is physical needs then you will not progress beyond that.

I don't agree. Tell the last sentence to someone who is starving, or in need. The whole point is that you can't progress to a higher spritual awareness if you are driven by food and shelter. Nor should you be - get your shit together first.

I know it has no moral aspect, but people who's basic needs are not met cannot focus on a moral aspect. The whole point is that societies where basic needs are not met, even those needs which you call "supposed" needs which are basically psychological in nature, are much more likely to be immoral, look at any war torn country.

If your needs like food and shelter are met, you will get bored with those things, most likely focus on the psychological needs next. And once those are met, you can focus on the spiritual, what Maslow calls self-actualization. Also, some people are overly driven by money because they think (wrongly) that it will meet their psychological needs too.

[Exodus]

I don't agree. Tell the last sentence to someone who is starving, or in need. The whole point is that you can't progress to a higher spritual awareness if you are driven by food and shelter. Nor should you be - get your shit together first.

You're confusing motivation with result. Your motivation can be whatever it is, despite your present circumstance. You can be motivated to find food so that it can support your spiritual aspirations rather than as a goal in itself.