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    Default Socionics IM's - Astrological planets correlations

    -Se/+Si (alpha/beta) -- Mars/Sun
    -Ne/+Ni (delta/gamma) -- Neptune
    -Te/+Ti (gamma/beta) -- Saturn
    +Se/-Si (gamma/delta) -- Pluto
    +Ne/-Ni (alpha/beta)-- Uranus
    +Te/-Ti (delta/alpha) -- Jupiter/Mercury
    -Fe/+Fi (alpha/delta) -- Venus
    +Fe/-Fi (beta/gamma) -- Moon

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    And if I had to pick just one planet for each quadra:

    Alpha - Sun
    Beta - Mars
    Gamma - Moon
    Delta - Venus

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    Haha, urAnus is Alpha/Beta.
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    I guess there is something both ironic and unfortunate about the planet that is archetypically related to revolution and rebellion being called Uranus [derived from the Greek Οὐρανός (Ouranós) meaning "sky, heaven"]. True progress involves the evolution of childrearing, the evolution of society and art, and people who aren't afraid of the truth. Violent revolutions (especially by themselves) don't produce meaningful change and progress.

    http://astrologyforaquarius.com/glob...nd-technology/

    "Uranus is no ordinary planet. He’s an extremist with a rebellious attitude – a highly disruptive change-agent . . . Uranus is an astrological eccentricity – an oddity – an originator, inventor, innovator, independent thinker, rebel, maverick, fringe-dweller, bohemian and misfit."



    I agree with the correlations posted by lavos.

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    The sun and the moon aren't planets. Pluto is still up for debate. What if there are planets undiscovered? Why doesn't earth have the largest influence?

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    Astrology considers a lot of things "planets". I'm not really an expert. Since we're born on Earth, it's placement doesn't matter as much. It's like the centre of the chart I guess.

    Anyway, I was still thinking about the planet Uranus, and I think the best "name" for it in terms of archetypes and mythology might be "Prometheus". At least I think it's a Promethean archetype, and I may have read that elsewhere too. In terms of Alphas & Betas, I can think of people like Ayn Rand (ILE-Ti), Victor Hugo (ESE-Fe), Jules Verne (ESE-Si?/ILE?) & Frot activist and social theorist Bill Weintraub (EIE-Fe), Courtney Love (SLE-Se), Karl Marx (IEI-Ni?), Malcolm X (EIE?), etc.

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    @Nebula, they're actually called "luminaries" in astrology, but for making things more simple they're commonly called planets (just because they're read like the other planets in the charts, by the way: "planet"= wandering object). Pluto is still up for debate and it's just another confirmation of how astrology doesn't need science's pov to read the objects out there; we believe that it's the sun to revolve around the earth in astrology, and it works just fine ) And yes, planet Earth is very important, but astrology is a cosmos, every planet in our solar system got created together with the Sun, so we're just one big thing, our destiny is dependable on the overall balance of all the parts, you say Earth is important and it sure is, but Earth alone would not survive without all the other 7+ planets, it would not be like it is without the Moon, it would not exist without the Sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebula View Post
    The sun and the moon aren't planets. Pluto is still up for debate. What if there are planets undiscovered? Why doesn't earth have the largest influence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
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    Yes, matter over mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    @Nebula, they're actually called "luminaries" in astrology, but for making things more simple they're commonly called planets (just because they're read like the other planets in the charts, by the way: "planet"= wandering object). Pluto is still up for debate and it's just another confirmation of how astrology doesn't need science's pov to read the objects out there; we believe that it's the sun to revolve around the earth in astrology, and it works just fine ) And yes, planet Earth is very important, but astrology is a cosmos, every planet in our solar system got created together with the Sun, so we're just one big thing, our destiny is dependable on the overall balance of all the parts, you say Earth is important and it sure is, but Earth alone would not survive without all the other 7+ planets, it would not be like it is without the Moon, it would not exist without the Sun.

    It doesn't matter what astrologists want to call a planet in the modern world. They are clearly ignorant and incorrect. It was excusable during the Middle Ages, when most astronomers thought that the sun was a planet because they mistakenly thought it revolved around the earth and did not know it was a star. There wasn't the distinction we have today between moons, planets, and stars. This should be a good thing.

    Pluto wasn't even discovered until 1930, so it wasn't ever included in astrology mythology in the first. Why it is suddenly incorporated seems silly and deceiving.

    Let me ask you, do you seriously believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebula View Post
    It doesn't matter what astrologists want to call a planet in the modern world. They are clearly ignorant and incorrect. It was excusable during the Middle Ages, when most astronomers thought that the sun was a planet because they mistakenly thought it revolved around the earth and did not know it was a star. There wasn't the distinction we have today between moons, planets, and stars. This should be a good thing.

    Pluto wasn't even discovered until 1930, so it wasn't ever included in astrology mythology in the first. Why it is suddenly incorporated seems silly and deceiving.

    Let me ask you, do you seriously believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth?
    Well it doesn't matter because astrologers don't call the star Sun a planet anyway. Obviously we don't even believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth either but we still use that system to calculate our charts, and that's actually perfectly ok because if you take one of the 2 points as reference it changes little in terms of predicting the movements of the other objects, and from here it just makes more sense to calculate the solar system distances from us, because we are the subjects our chart, or events in general that happen on here, not on the Sun. Pluto was studied and researched broadly in astrology in the last century, where many things speeded up in astrology and computers and statistical data were taking place. The correlations found with Pluto were convincing and are now supported by enough experience. Its symbology is just an enrichment to all that we know, not something to disprove astrology or mock it for. Most astrologers believe in trans-neptunian planets hiding there to be discovered, so it's not like we're all fixed to some idea of how the universe gotta be like, although many other astrologers are. Anyway... yeah believe whatever you wish : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooo View Post
    Well it doesn't matter because astrologers don't call the star Sun a planet anyway. Obviously we don't even believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth either but we still use that system to calculate our charts, and that's actually perfectly ok because if you take one of the 2 points as reference it changes little in terms of predicting the movements of the other objects, and from here it just makes more sense to calculate the solar system distances from us, because we are the subjects our chart, or events in general that happen on here, not on the Sun. Pluto was studied and researched broadly in astrology in the last century, where many things speeded up in astrology and computers and statistical data were taking place. The correlations found with Pluto were convincing and are now supported by enough experience. Its symbology is just an enrichment to all that we know, not something to disprove astrology or mock it for. Most astrologers believe in trans-neptunian planets hiding there to be discovered, so it's not like we're all fixed to some idea of how the universe gotta be like, although many other astrologers are. Anyway... yeah believe whatever you wish : )
    There are no such correlations, but okay, yeah....believe whatever you wish.

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    I recommend the book Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas.

    I’m not saying astrology, tarot, etc. are for everyone. In fact, if I want to become a true objectivist and/or Christian I should probably quit things like tarot and astrology sooner or later. I just don’t feel like I’m ready just yet; I need to start learning more about tarot and astrology and how to use them first. So I’ll see.

    Carl Jung wasn’t against astrology. And the concept of synchronicity is really important. Why was Pluto named after the Roman version of Hades?

    https://cafeastrology.com/pluto.html

    ‘Pluto, God of the Underworld, is the ruler of Scorpio. (In Greek mythology, the corresponding god was Hades). In Astrology, the energies of Pluto are transforming. Pluto represents subconscious forces, ruling all that is “below the surface”.

    On the up side, Pluto is associated with renewal and rebirth. It represents endings and new beginnings, as well as spiritual growth and rebirth. Negative expression of Pluto is an obsessive desire for power and control and general destructiveness.

    In the chart, the position of Pluto by sign will be shared with other people in the same generation due to the comparatively slow movement of Pluto, the outermost planet, in the heavens. By house, the position of Pluto shows where individuals search for truths and deeper meaning. This area of life may be associated with change, upheaval, power struggles, and issues of control. Pluto in aspect to other planets in the chart colors those energies with obsessive qualities, power struggles, the need to find deeper meanings, and willingness to explore and examine. Where we find Pluto in the chart is where we either seek change and transformation, or have it thrust upon us if we refuse to accept our deepest needs. If we fear Pluto’s energies, or our “dark” side, destructiveness (both directed at ourselves or others) is a byproduct.’


    Also, check out these links (especially if you know your time of birth) [from what I know it's better to use the Placidus house system]:

    http://www.astro.com/

    https://theastrocodex.com/pluto-astrology/

    https://theastrocodex.com/planets/pl...uto-in-houses/

    https://theastrocodex.com/planets/pl...houses/page/2/


    And I often like her weekly horoscopes (although I don't read them too often):

    https://innerself.com/content/person...younghans.html

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    Astrology =/= Socionics

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    @HERO

    I love this horoscope: https://www.freewillastrology.com/horoscopes/

    (what's your Sun sign?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by idontgiveaf View Post
    Astrology =/= Socionics
    True.
    Planetary constellations don't have any effect on the personality of people.
    Astrology is humbug.

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