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    Im curious what Ni types think about this music (or anybody). How do you react to it? Do you associate anything.

    Its interesting music. Also kindof scary, nightmarish..

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XsnGrsxxnF8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Im curious what Ni types think about this music (or anybody). How do you react to it? Do you associate anything.

    Its interesting music. Also kindof scary, nightmarish..

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XsnGrsxxnF8
    I didn't listen to all of it but the first minute just reminded me of a horror movie with exorcism..
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    I'm still listening to it now. It's oddly comforting. Yea, it makes me feel really nice.
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    I'm still listening to it now. It's oddly comforting. Yea, it makes me feel really nice.
    I like it. There are lots of things going on. At one point it sounds like someone is turning a page in a book and then it's like lots of pages are being turned or it blends together. Strange dream like things. The composer is pretty famous, Kaija Saariaho.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Im curious what Ni types think about this music (or anybody). How do you react to it? Do you associate anything.

    Its interesting music. Also kindof scary, nightmarish..

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XsnGrsxxnF8
    It sounded pretty Ni- to me. I might be biased bc I speak both german and french, but it made me think of two old lovers separated by life; first they write each others letters(Briefe) and then decide to meet in the big city a winter evening(la neige; j'écarte tes cheveux). The woman gets the letter with meeting time and date too late. So many people, so many voices(Menschen), cars, planes(can hear those at some point); it's cold, his feet are numb. He looks for her in the faces of unknown people. When she arrives, he's not there anymore.

    Said in German at some point: "When people are far away, you can think of each other; when they are near, you can touch them; everything else exceeds human power." ("Man kann an einen nahen Menschen denken, und einen fernen fassen; alles Andere geht über Menschenkraft" -> just looked it up, it's a quote by F. Kafka)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Im curious what Ni types think about this music (or anybody). How do you react to it? Do you associate anything.

    Its interesting music. Also kindof scary, nightmarish..

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XsnGrsxxnF8
    I like it for the originality but I wouldn't listen to it anymore. I like the dissonance on the first parts then it became boring and too random. The bumblebee-like sound of the string made me feel like I'm being massaged.

    As for association - I imagined bees, abandoned place, sepia colors first. Then a shadow man with a bowler hat showed up. I listened to it at 4 am, maybe it helped with the imagination. I started thinking of a scenario of a shadow man talking to me. He seems to be an older man and he told me that he follows and would always follow me. We were in a classroom. Initially the classroom was full of students smiling at me. Then they all disappeared and immediately after that I got surrounded by broken porcelain dolls. They are all dirty, as if they were unearthed. Then the shadow man told me that we have a lot of things to fix and throw away.

    Note that being in a classroom is a recurring theme in my dreams recently though and I might be going through something internally. Also I just think about random things all the time lol.

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    I like it for the originality but I wouldn't listen to it anymore. I like the dissonance on the first parts then it became boring and too random. The bumblebee-like sound of the string made me feel like I'm being massaged.

    As for association - I imagined bees, abandoned place, sepia colors first. Then a shadow man with a bowler hat showed up. I listened to it at 4 am, maybe it helped with the imagination. I started thinking of a scenario of a shadow man talking to me. He seems to be an older man and he told me that he follows and would always follow me. We were in a classroom. Initially the classroom was full of students smiling at me. Then they all disappeared and immediately after that I got surrounded by broken porcelain dolls. They are all dirty, as if they were unearthed. Then the shadow man told me that we have a lot of things to fix and throw away.

    Note that being in a classroom is a recurring theme in my dreams recently though and I might be going through something internally. Also I just think about random things all the time lol.
    That was a lot of imagination. Do you feel that it came with the music or was it more like a day dream that appeared as you listened but not necessarily connected to the sounds?

    I didn't imagine much. I had feelings hard to describe about distance, memory, familiarity, closeness. Like around 1 min there is a sound of an airplane far away. I felt the distance in the air, a feeling of change, something moving, huge body in the sky, human activity. There was also a cough that contrasted nicely with the other sounds, like suddenly bringing forward the human body or everyday sounds. Somebody turned a page, the sound of paper, and then it repeated but blended together like the whole book was flying away. These things are hard to describe.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    That was a lot of imagination. Do you feel that it came with the music or was it more like a day dream that appeared as you listened but not necessarily connected to the sounds?

    I didn't imagine much. I had feelings hard to describe about distance, memory, familiarity, closeness. Like around 1 min there is a sound of an airplane far away. I felt the distance in the air, a feeling of change, something moving, huge body in the sky, human activity. There was also a cough that contrasted nicely with the other sounds, like suddenly bringing forward the human body or everyday sounds. Somebody turned a page, the sound of paper, and then it repeated but blended together like the whole book was flying away. These things are hard to describe.
    That's interesting, it seems like you focused on the actual music and what the artist was trying to make the listener experience.

    In my case what made me pay attention were the voices and the bumblebee-like sound. That's when my head started going places. Maybe those things struck some chord within, then the visuals in my head just continued to show up aligned with the music. This normally happens to me on a daily basis, even when I'm doing something my head comes up with random things depending on what I see or experience (e.g. looking at the window would make me think of a plane crashing to it, or doing something reminds me of past scenarios then I would start imagining what would happen related to it in the future/alternate reality). I normally do it with music, I sometimes listen and make some sort of a music video with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkdhf qkb View Post
    It sounded pretty Ni- to me. I might be biased bc I speak both german and french, but it made me think of two old lovers separated by life; first they write each others letters(Briefe) and then decide to meet in the big city a winter evening(la neige; j'écarte tes cheveux). The woman gets the letter with meeting time and date too late. So many people, so many voices(Menschen), cars, planes(can hear those at some point); it's cold, his feet are numb. He looks for her in the faces of unknown people. When she arrives, he's not there anymore.

    Said in German at some point: "When people are far away, you can think of each other; when they are near, you can touch them; everything else exceeds human power." ("Man kann an einen nahen Menschen denken, und einen fernen fassen; alles Andere geht über Menschenkraft" -> just looked it up, it's a quote by F. Kafka)
    Nice that you were able to build some kind of story like that. I didn't think much what the words meant, I did understand some of the German. The repeating of the "Briefe" sounded mostly scary and unnatural to me, something stuck in the head. There was some Finnish also but I couldn't hear what they were saying.

    I agree that the music sounds "Ni", although I would have a hard time explaining what exactly it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkdhf qkb View Post
    It sounded pretty Ni- to me. I might be biased bc I speak both german and french, but it made me think of two old lovers separated by life; first they write each others letters(Briefe) and then decide to meet in the big city a winter evening(la neige; j'écarte tes cheveux). The woman gets the letter with meeting time and date too late. So many people, so many voices(Menschen), cars, planes(can hear those at some point); it's cold, his feet are numb. He looks for her in the faces of unknown people. When she arrives, he's not there anymore.

    Said in German at some point: "When people are far away, you can think of each other; when they are near, you can touch them; everything else exceeds human power." ("Man kann an einen nahen Menschen denken, und einen fernen fassen; alles Andere geht über Menschenkraft" -> just looked it up, it's a quote by F. Kafka)
    https://saariaho.org/works/stilleben/
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    That's interesting, it seems like you focused on the actual music and what the artist was trying to make the listener experience.

    In my case what made me pay attention were the voices and the bumblebee-like sound. That's when my head started going places. Maybe those things struck some chord within, then the visuals in my head just continued to show up aligned with the music. This normally happens to me on a daily basis, even when I'm doing something my head comes up with random things depending on what I see or experience (e.g. looking at the window would make me think of a plane crashing to it, or doing something reminds me of past scenarios then I would start imagining what would happen related to it in the future/alternate reality). I normally do it with music, I sometimes listen and make some sort of a music video with it.
    Because Si is experienced in the object itself I have been wondering if it is the same with Ni. It's still a little unclear to me how much Ni is connected to the experience that caused it. So is the intuition experienced in the music itself, or more on the side. I have thought that it is experienced in the object (the music), but I am not sure. Well it doesn't matter now, I might figure it out someday.

    I was just absorbing the atmosphere and feeling tone of it. But I didn't try to make sense of it actively. My world is mostly about vague sensing and feeling tones, so it's on a pretty "primitive" level. It also seems that I never understood the main theme of the work that the artist was trying to convey. https://saariaho.org/works/stilleben/
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Because Si is experienced in the object itself
    this is wrong, thats Se, Si is heavily focused on how the object makes the subject feel physically.

    Ni is pretty much akin to ''gut feeling'', and intuition in the every day sense of the word. Somehow unconsciously knowing the outcome or ''knowing'' you should or shouldnt do something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    this is wrong, thats Se, Si is heavily focused on how the object makes the subject feel physically.

    Ni is pretty much akin to ''gut feeling'', and intuition in the every day sense of the word. Somehow unconsciously knowing the outcome or ''knowing'' you should or shouldnt do something.
    I said Si is EXPERIENCED IN THE OBJECT. That's not the same as Se. Se is direct sensing of the object. I am aware of the distinction between Si and Se thank you. If you dont get what I mean then read Jung on Si.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Im curious what Ni types think about this music (or anybody). How do you react to it? Do you associate anything.

    Its interesting music. Also kindof scary, nightmarish..

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XsnGrsxxnF8
    Hmm I skipped around, but associations for me were kind of like demonic voices. I'd probably never listen to this for either the ambience or for an emotional state I'd want to be in.

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    The Menuetto from Beethoven's 1st symphony. This is such a good expression of a new spirit. Like waking up from a refreshing sleep and going out into the world again.

    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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