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    1) sounds like demonstrative ethics concealing itself
    2) sounds like Fi looking inward

    2) sounds like weak sensing non valued Fe

    on the whole seems like delta NF to me, maybe I'm biased but I do these things a lot

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    yeah I feel like that all the time, then I realized people really like eye contact and take avoidance of it not as a politeness but as a latent threat, like you're plotting their downfall or something and a guilty conscience is keeping you from facing them. that's 90% of people's idiotic interpretation of non aggression. so now I aggressively eyeball fuck everyone and they love it

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    lol I fancy myself IEE, but it hasn't got much traction within the group

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    yeah I feel like that all the time, then I realized people really like eye contact and take avoidance of it not as a politeness but as a latent threat, like you're plotting their downfall or something and a guilty conscience is keeping you from facing them.
    Thats really interesting, I don't give a lot of eye contact because quite simply im naturally shy and I only like looking into somebodys eyes if the souls match (and they usually don't cuz twu wuv is rare) - and I have often gotten this un-asked for hostility from people, like not knowing what I did wrong and I think this might be a huge part of it. That and most people are angry assholes and are really super hyper triggered by people even if they are the shy/silent type. Shy/silent also comes off as creepy in men I think.

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    yup society hates it, even though you're doing it out of respect and with good motives, that is generally lost on people they only understand "honesty" and being a "straight shooter" in the most obtuse terms. so whatever, fuck em, I can dominate some idiots with eye contact if that's what they so desire

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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    Kind of reminds me of what cognitive types does..
    Thanks for sharing this, I didnt know about this site. Its was made by a NeTi I suppose since its theory seems kinda complicated and specific for all us mortals.

    The subtypes and Vultology code seems very interesting though.
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    that site looks like a transparent attempt to create a subjective typology that plays to a few pseudo celebrities within the youtube mbti community. kind of like what I imagine k4m aspires to if he made it big

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    Bertrand EII ç__ç I've seen it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    that site looks like a transparent attempt to create a subjective typology that plays to a few pseudo celebrities within the youtube mbti community. kind of like what I imagine k4m aspires to if he made it big
    Yeah...I honestly dont buy most of the Vutology code.

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    use your intuition, Luke

    the only good nonverbal use for typing - intuitive impressions
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    tbh all types can have those mimicks in some occasions, some non verbal guides for dummies:

    -biting lips= embarrassment, arousal
    -looking down= guilt, embarrassment, submission, introspection

    -staring the void= the void

    -not fully engaged vision= the person can actually be not engaged in the person, disinterest, disdain, or more simply the person has an auditory style of cognition and doesn't need too much physical involvement to grasp the concept, whereas a visual and kinesthetic type need more involvement with their environments in order to listen.
    https://www.inc.com/molly-reynolds/h...ic-learni.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystal View Post
    Thanks for sharing this, I didnt know about this site. Its was made by a NeTi I suppose since its theory seems kinda complicated and specific for all us mortals.

    The subtypes and Vultology code seems very interesting though.
    They are are spin-off of Podlair. The creator took things in a a bit of a different direction I believe because their goals and ideas diverged at some point. He made a thread here awhile back so I had said the system reminded me of podlair and he responded. The person I talked to was very intelligent and had interesting ideas. From our conversations I got that it is pretty different than socionics even though they do have a version of quadras. If I find the thread I will link.

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    it looks like an enhanched version of socionics, without the streams of useless loopy theories

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyne View Post
    And if they are, to which IE do you associate them to?

    A) The person is laughing. At a certain point he decides to remove all the emotions from his face. He has 2 ways:
    1) He puts the lips between his teeth;
    2) He unfocuses with his eyes, and the eyes look down.

    After one of these happens, he looks at what's in front of him, and the face becomes totally emotionless;

    B) When he's talking with a person he doesn't look at the other person for most of the time. He's turned a little bit to the side, and controls the other person with peripheral vision. The other person thinks he ain't caring, but he's actually focused on him.
    First one is Fe ignoring.
    2nd one is introvert
    3rd one is Se lead (B)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyne View Post
    Forgot to add, at the second one, that he feels like being too aggressive if he stares at the other person. He feels like his eyes are weapons, but at the same time he also thinks that he should sometimes make eye contact, to be polite.
    Hes probably lsi
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    Cognitive Type Theory = One specific LII's journey through theory. Looks like site does not exist and it is spiritual types as of now.

    It has gotten more refined and stepped towards socionics (which are still much more clear cut) definitions.


    I don't quite get them aka left spinners but their concentrate on different aspects of reality. It is like present reveals them something whereas right spinners are more in deriving state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Looks like site does not exist and it is spiritual types as of now.
    FWIW, that's an April Fool's joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyne View Post
    Forgot to add, at the second one, that he feels like being too aggressive if he stares at the other person. He feels like his eyes are weapons, but at the same time he also thinks that he should sometimes make eye contact, to be polite.
    I remember seeing this in ESI profiles. It gets attributed to demonstrative Si taking care not to wound the Si polr of their dual who may feel uneasy if somebody stares directly at them.

    "The LIE dislikes being stared at directly or having his appearance, sense or taste, or manners being evaluated. The ESI doesn't look directly into the eyes of his companion for a long time (which is especially typical of the ethical subtype, Fi-ESI)."

    "The ESI is touchingly responsive to another's sincere interest in himself. And this is understandable: others often react negatively to his piercing "X-ray" look, and the ESI is always acutely aware of this; in the course of his life he becomes accustomed to such reactions from others. Therefore, when the ESI meets someone with a sincere disposition towards himself, he considers that he should reciprocate."

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