Which reminds me, for a hot second [a while back], I thought Beautiful Sky and K4M were the same person > the seemingly impenetrable mental rigidity/dogged perspective and unyielding attempts at labeling and categorizing others based on their own subjective logic/ethics; it seemed like good strategy to have conflictors agree with and "confirm" each other's typings (and both of them 'accurately' type the other according to their respective 'systems'), buttressed by the notion that two completely opposite cognitive perspectives have reached objectively obvious conclusions. lol Not to mention, we've seen her but K4M refuses to subject himself to VI.
I certainly think upbringing and environment can have an impact > my mom is a SEE and she activated the fuck out of my Fi growing up--it's still subpar overall, but I'm very amenable and agreeable to Fi as a function even if I don't have natural facility. It doesn't seem so completely removed from my awareness.
But besides all that, having "better" Fe makes sense if you are LII-Ne; according to the contact/inert subtype system, a LII-Ne (contact) would have accentuated creative, role, suggestive and demonstrative IEs. I've come to the conclusion that I'm most likely LIE-Ni, which would enhance my Ni, Fe, (IEI)/ Ne, Fi (IEE), making me look like some sort of erstaz NF and that makes a lot of sense for me, as far as how I may be perceived and even the career choices I've made in my life.
@golden, as an actual EIE, do I come off as an identical to you?
A few days ago I was actually thinking that you might be an EIE. My reason is that from some of the posts you have made in this thread recently you seem to agree with many self typings in a very complimenting, positive manner. This of course makes you seem more knowledgeable to these people and they become more trusting of you in the process. This isn't to say you aren't knowledgeable, simply that you are good at manipulating internal perceptions of you. Your descriptions of other people also tends to be self relating, how these people "feel" or come across to you in an ethical manner. I could be entirely wrong, these are just my observations.
Instead of EIE, have you thought of IEI or ILI? You have the Ni subtype in your TIM but my last point about your priority on self relational typing makes me think you could be an introvert.
Yeah, based on the Socionics theory the contact subtypes of logical base types have stronger ethical functions, and the contact subtypes of ethical base types have stronger logical functions.
I type myself LII-Ne because I think I have -demonstrative + -vulnerable and a better than LII no subtype or LII-Ti.
...and I was really bad with when I was a kid.
The only other option for me would be ILE, but Troll Nr 007 thinks that is my creative function.
There is the theory that you can tell your own base function because it's a part of you, you are unable to distance yourself from it.
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Superficialy, with his bolding and red text and sizes and whatnot, he seems like one of the most expressive person on here. Then again, seems can be just that.
His posts make me dizzy so I barely read them, the way he writes reminds me of emotional turmoil just by its aspect. By "the way he writes", I'm refering to bolding and stuff, not content.
F dominants are perfectly capable of learning and using proper critical thinking, it's not their natural preference, but it's a skill that can be learned like any other.
So one should not universally expect F dominants to be incapable of proper reasoning.
That's just a narrow-minded perspective.
You're right that EII can be interested in math and technology.
Ok, I provide you with an example why I think I'm better at using then
Place a technical device I've never seen before in front of me and I'll tell you how it works and what can be done with it. That's probably one of my best skills I have.
If it's broken I know how to fix it.
I'm not that confident about my relations to other people.
My main desire is to understand the world i'm living in. Does this sound EII?
Mirror, mirror, queentiger.
I'm your Socionics mirror type? Because strong + HA = IEI
Or do you see that my is not that strong / good?
Excluding the part about being especially interested in technology, this sounds similar to me, although for me, there is such a thing as too much "hard science" - i.e. where it becomes too cold to me (essentially, for example, thinking that there is only so much I care to know about the Big Bang, quasars etc.).
Hmm, ok,
I don't think that science can be too "hard" for me.
I'm totally fine with developing electronic circuits as working field. I wrote algorithms that converted images formats and I did some research in data compression algorithms.
I guess that's the reason why I'm better than an untrained person in spotting patterns in data structures. Data compression is basically looking for patterns in datasets and describe data in a shorter representation.
I don't know if many EII would be interested in such special fields of work.
Probably it seems arrogant to you... ok, how would you phrase an activity that estimated only 1 out of 1000 people do?
Or I do have an incompatble value system to choose words. English is not my native language.
Thanks for the feedback.
For one, we must remember that everyone has 1D Fe, at the very least, which is predicated upon experiences, and so theoretically all one would require is to have had previous experiences using Fe in a way that was effective enough to achieve some end; that doesn't necessarily connote 4D Fe.
Secondly, any and all seemingly Fe "agreeableness" from me is rooted in Fi and my admiration for certain (transformational) aspects of Fe and valuing its utility, especially as a means to buttress Te output, in getting people to do what's needed/whatever I require. Generally speaking, I like to be "pleasant" but as evidenced by this thread, whenever my subjective values are crossed, I couldn't give a 2 stroke fuck about maintaining/respecting/elevating the emotional atmosphere, "ambient vibes" be damned. I value constructive criticism, especially when rendered in an evaluative and applicable "Te" fashion; but critiques rendered in "bad faith" may be returned in "bad faith," subject to when/if I feel like it, without any regard for what others may think or feel about it.
Furthermore, I've already spoken to this several times in this thread but it bears repeating > I know for a fact that I'm not a Fe lead/valuer because I don't experience emotional contagion and I believe that this is one of the most effective ways of determining who "values" Fe or not. Fe is dynamic in that it constantly picks up the "continuous excitations in people's psychological states," which I read as affective empathy, being able to feel/take on the emotions/moods of others/the environment by way of contagion (a particular set of mirror neurons oriented towards adjusting to social feedback).
Even Dario Nardi, in his research subjecting the 16 types to EEG brain scans, found that ENTJs have low activity in the regions of the brain where mirror neurons generally affect behavioral mimicry and prompt people to adapt to emotionally induced social feedback like shame or embarrassment. Fi, on the other hand, is more concerned with closing psychological distances via cognitive empathy/"mind reading" and placing one's self into another's shoes and even though I can still struggle with this, it is the only way I access empathy channels.
Lastly, on dichotomy tests in the past, I've often scored about 65-75% extroversion and so LIE-Ni would make more sense than ILI-Te; I'm definitely not Fe-PoLR and I don't have trash Se. The "self relational" typings I did were based on ITR (from my vantage point) and so "vibes" and "feelings" about other types is an integral aspect of that.
Nah. That's not done for Fe "expressiveness" but Se "impact"; the bold is done for emphasis in a hammering/avalanching way, not to impart any emotional cue. Similarly with Te, people conflate Fe and Se. For *IEs, Se is nothing but the volitional will, the energetic force that supports and buttresses Te or Fe aims > for Fe, the end result can be "liveliness" and with Te, more like staccato gun fire.
This isn't something that should be taken into account when typing over the internet, or in real life, it makes things messier than needed. All we are able to do is observe what and how others say things, and they should more than likely be relying on their strong and valued functions to communicate and operate within the world.
Obviously you know yourself better than anyone and so I'm not going to comment on the middle of your post, I'll just take your word for it.
I don't think a dichotomy test should be the deciding factor for this but again you seem to know yourself well enough.
Ok, now you do me, I'm curious if you've formed any conclusion or ideas.
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