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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneeds Feed and Seed View Post
    tfw still not on the list like the cool kids
    I just read your questionnaire and you really seem IEE. I pretty much have no doubt about it.

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    @Luminous Lynx
    to close a typing theme after an emotional querrel in it (with IEI), instead of taking fun to prove you are correct - points that you are quiet and rather not conflicting one. this is far from EIE and closer to I, also to Fi types
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    @Luminous Lynx
    to close a typing theme after an emotional querrel in it (with IEI), instead of taking fun to prove you are correct - points that you are quiet and rather not conflicting one. this is far from EIE and closer to I, also to Fi types
    Sol, you told me long ago not to type myself based on what others say. At the time you said that the others are "forum flooders" and "noobs" and that their views are "heresy". You told me not to listen to others, yet you expect me to trust you. I have told you that I am willing to listen, and told you twice that if you have sources to send me that can equip me with an understanding of Socionics that I will both appreciate and welcome them. As the saying goes: "Give a man a fish he'll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he'll feed himself for a lifetime".

    It's that simple. I don't want to be told things, I want to understand them. I want explanations, not statements. I don't want to be dictated to, I want to learn things for myself. As far as I know, you are very knowledgeable of original Socionics literature. Again, if you have sources that I can read then please send them to my PMs. It's OK if they are in Russian, as I can run them through a translator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous Lynx View Post
    Sol, you told me long ago not to type myself based on what others say. At the time you said that the others are "forum flooders" and "noobs" and that their views are "heresy". You told me not to listen to others, yet you expect me to trust you.
    Such a good point



    It's that simple. I don't want to be told things, I want to understand them. I want explanations, not statements. I don't want to be dictated to, I want to learn things for myself. As far as I know, you are very knowledgeable of original Socionics literature. Again, if you have source that I can read then please send them to my PMs. It's OK if they are in Russian, as I can run them through a translator.
    In other words, you don't want an Obsessive-Compulsive person (Sol) force their own explanation onto your own sense of logic without making enough sense first. Quite rightfully so.

    Basically Sol doesn't like to refer to other things beyond his own thoughts and ideas, he wants to be the authority on how people should think, while failing to support that with enough facts and falling out of touch with society and other people on what's appropriate socially.

    If I wanted to still use socionics (not), I'd say Sol is failing to serve up 4D Te/3D Ti creative with decent 2D Fe to oil it all, to you : p But nah, I'm fine with just putting it the way I just did above. With a better context, too (not the little generic and at the same time incredibly restricted function model)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    In other words, you don't want an Obsessive-Compulsive person (Sol) force their own explanation onto your own sense of logic without making enough sense first. Quite rightfully so.

    Basically Sol doesn't like to refer to other things beyond his own thoughts and ideas, he wants to be the authority on how people should think, while failing to support that with enough facts and falling out of touch with society and other people on what's appropriate socially.

    If I wanted to still use socionics (not), I'd say Sol is failing to serve up 4D Te/3D Ti creative with decent 2D Fe to oil it all, to you : p But nah, I'm fine with just putting it the way I just did above. With a better context, too (not the little generic and at the same time incredibly restricted function model)
    I would say that too, but it's also a kind of hyper-masculinity, "mansplaining"... it's "my way or the highway", it's very imposing of your own will onto others in an attempt to dominate over them. It attempts to have authority over things.

    I would not necessarily say that mansplaining is sexist, as males tend to do that with other males as well, neither it's even necessarily a gendered thing, but mansplaining can be annoying, because it is annoying, especially if the person is not very rational and don't have the ability to empathize with others, as Sol is the case. He just wants to have arbitrary authority so he can impose his will and dominate others (and because he's so desperate for authority, he can't "think outside of the box", he must also follow other authorities to a tee, such as "official", authoritative Socionics texts. Thinking outside of the box is risky and dangerous, because it might make you fall out of being authoritative).

    Of course, his skewed understanding of others make him think that "Fi types" are automatically willing to accept his "perfect" Thinking, and if they're not receptive to it, then it must be because they're "evil Fe types".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    I would say that too, but it's also a kind of hyper-masculinity, "mansplaining"... it's "my way or the highway", it's very imposing of your own will onto others in an attempt to dominate over them. It attempts to have authority over things.
    On an online forum...... when he could go outside and get a life. And even a "dual" hey


    I would not necessarily say that mansplaining is sexist, as males tend to do that with other males as well, neither it's even necessarily a gendered thing, but mansplaining can be annoying, because it is annoying, especially if the person is not very rational and don't have the ability to empathize with others, as Sol is the case. He just wants to have arbitrary authority so he can impose his will and dominate others (and because he's so desperate for authority, he can't "think outside of the box", he must also follow other authorities to a tee, such as "official", authoritative Socionics texts. Thinking outside of the box is risky and dangerous, because it might make you fall out of being authoritative).

    Of course, his skewed understanding of others make him think that "Fi types" are automatically willing to accept his "perfect" Thinking, and if they're not receptive to it, then it must be because they're "evil Fe types".
    I dunno, I'm a woman but I don't really try to read his behaviour through gender constructs. So genders aside, yeah, well, he wants to have this on an online forum bc he doesn't have anything better to do with his time I guess

    I agree it's actually no longer a fully rational thing. In a way yeah it tries to block out emotion but the blocked out emotions just end up twisting rationality worse than if they weren't blocked lol

    As for your reasoning on no thinking outside the box: I don't really know if that's what causes not thinking outside the box for Sol. I'm also not good at it, and frankly don't usually care to try and think outside the box, what's the point of it?

    Rhetorical question, in many usual life situations there's not much use of it for me. Maybe for some others sure, not for me.

    Anyhow, agreed on skewed understanding of others, Fi, Fe, whatever lol

    But he also has strong reaction formation in a sense: I recall he posted maybe last year (I wasn't on much this year) that he can't find a dual woman on the forums after years of trying.

    Well... I guess that is where logic/rationality tries to avoid bias so it goes to the other extreme: not wanting to make a mistake in identifying the dual, it gets too cautious and does not identify anyone as the dual.

    And this is ofc because of the blocked emotions.

    OTOH btw, I disagree that he follows official authority to a tee. As far as I could see, he makes his own reasonings about the stuff from official authorities. But yeah no deviation too far, sure. No thinking outside the box in that sense. Again, I don't know why one should, unless there really is a proven need to do so.

    I mean yeah sometimes there *is* such a proven need... then I do go outside conventional approaches and I kill my brain trying to make sense of whatever unconventional thing I pick up that I just somehow sense will give something to me. Eventually then, I return back to my normal approach, and take whatever was useful from the unconventional. But I put it all inside better working approaches so that whatever I picked up makes more sense overall. That is the point, really, to me.

    My brain simply just isn't for playing around with outside-of-the-box thinking all the time, I guess yours prefers it more, or whatever :shrug But that doesn't mean that people who don't do it like you do it are any worse or that they must have stupid motivations for refusing to do so.

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    Wonder if anyone recognizes me enough in my incredibly sparse presence on this site to come to a typing conclusion?

    I for one sure don't recognize anyone else here enough to type them lol

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    I'm in the same boat as you.

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    @faith



    after 1.5 years only 10 posts
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    introvertion is more possible
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    lol @Sol actually imo introverts post more online bc it's easier for them to talk in writing

    ps. I don't mean socionics, just general introvert

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    @Sol

    Isn’t 4w5 more unlikely for an LSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    after 1.5 years only 10 posts
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    introvertion is more possible
    You can ask me questions to confirm my type because typing this way is shaky at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faith View Post
    Isn’t 4w5 more unlikely for an LSI?
    Other typology and your possible type there is a separate theme. And there is no theory or good stats how much Jung types are spreaded among E-types to take this as significant argument.

    > You can ask me questions to confirm my type because typing this way is shaky at best.

    Your behavior is rather doubtful for SLE as reminds introverted. Videointerview is needed to type you.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    @Sol

    >after 1.5 years only 10 posts

    mayhaps... an extravert might have a busier life outside the ‘net?

    >sleeping avatar

    >introversion is more possible

    ok,

    >videointerview is needed to type you



    You: this person is an introvert based on their profile photo
    Also you: only types using videointerview

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    @Sol ��������

    I’ll do the IR test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianLo View Post
    Wonder if anyone recognizes me enough in my incredibly sparse presence on this site to come to a typing conclusion?

    I for one sure don't recognize anyone else here enough to type them lol
    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    I'm in the same boat as you.
    What about creating a thread for users like you? A thread in which users who don't participate usually just interact, trying to know eachother. Asking questions, talking about the things they like, so that they leave a trace of their existance and other users can lurk and form an idea of them in their head. Some quick way to be recognized as an existing user with low effort, and be put in threads such as this one.

    I think it would be more efficient than just upping old questionnaires, because it would be fresh and unusual material, so the other users would be more curious.

    We could call the thread "We exist: know and type us".

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    Number 9 Large - LSI
    Logic of a uniform structure.
    Securing the structure that has proven to work (while considering all other structures incorrect), rationalizing one and only right decision, stubbornly following your principles, thorough reading of directions or drafts. Linear ‘either/or,’ way of thinking; logic of informational structure. LSI.
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    Ah here we go loopty loo. . . once upon a time anyone who was particularly close-minded got labeled LSI, guess the forum is reliving that exciting and informative time again.

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    Unacceptable.


    ESIs exist, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baboooshka View Post
    Unacceptable.


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    I’d rather be labeled an LSI than an ESI any day.
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    Typing me LSI is a minor "thing" now and I've been super pleased. Maybe Im NOT a blob of feelings who can't think and was born to wash dishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    Typing me LSI is a minor "thing" now and I've been super pleased. Maybe Im NOT a blob of feelings who can't think and was born to wash dishes.
    lmaoooo

    As much as I pick on them, I love ESIs and I feel like most people share that sentiment
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    This is not probably right place to reveal my plans regarding Ne PoLR concentration camps... let them taste their own narrowly defined (by others ) medicine.
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    Soundofconfusion - ISFP - Dumas

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    advice for everyone: always choose the exact opposite type of what khcs thinks. chances are very high that your result will be correct
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    Lol

    btw. I'm still anticipating to get typed by khcs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khcs View Post
    Soundofconfusion - ISFP - Dumas
    Howd you come up with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by khcs View Post
    Soundofconfusion - ISFP - Dumas
    INFP mb
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    Typing me LSI is a minor "thing" now and I've been super pleased. Maybe Im NOT a blob of feelings who can't think and was born to wash dishes.
    You was born to watch theatre shows.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I am iffy on DCNH too since I related to most of the IEI descriptions and one of the EIE descriptions. I go back and forth on it. I think if used before knowing the full theory well it can lead to mistyping oneself within the system.
    have you considered that you are a normalising EIE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    have you considered that you are a normalising EIE?
    No, it doesn't fit. "Normalizing" doesn't fit in any of the types. Like I said, the only EIE that fits pretty well is harmonizing. I know my type. I don't mind the question.

    The type descriptions I am referring to are from the classes. I don't know if they have been published to the public or not so I am not going to share, what was shared with me, in public since I was asked not to. I don't know if you have seen them or not but if you did you might understand. I can relate to it but I do not type myself EIE-H.
    Last edited by Aylen; 10-14-2019 at 11:00 PM. Reason: typo

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    the reason I asked was that I think forum moderators might often be N subtypes, since they probably have a certain desire to keep order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    the reason I asked was that I think forum moderators might often be N subtypes, since they probably have a certain desire to keep order.
    I don't really have that desire since it is a lot of work. I think I was recommended to be a mod by my friend Starfall (another mod who has taken a break from here). Mu asked me and I said ok. She helped me out with modding until she left. I wish she was still here. I still have her elsewhere so it's ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    the reason I asked was that I think forum moderators might often be N subtypes, since they probably have a certain desire to keep order.
    an order is Ti, J. moderators are random people, generally. they should visit regularly, so are taken from active members.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    an order is Ti, J. moderators are random people, generally. they should visit regularly, so are taken from active members.
    Order is Te. Ti is internal consistency while Te outer consistency

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Order is Te. Ti is internal consistency while Te outer consistency
    No Te is not order neither is Ti

    Te observes external behavior and actions of objects and determines the best suitable role or position for the given object. Judges it's effectiveness.
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    No Te is not order neither is Ti

    Te observes external behavior and actions of objects and determines the best suitable role or position for the given object. Judges it's effectiveness.
    ok mate

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    Going to wall of text here for a reason.

    To say an idea is subjective is often used as a term of reproach, but this is to overlook the fact that no thought is possible without the thinker and that his share in it is responsible for its ultimate shape.

    The merits of extraverted thinking -- namely, its 'down-to-earth nature', its concentration on objects, and the discipline that this imposes -- is at the same time its limitation; it becomes all too easily tied to facts; it cannot see beyond them, or free itself for the purpose of establishing an abstract idea. It becomes clogged by a mass of undigested material, and tries to escape from this dilemma by artificial simplifications -- by inventing formulae and concepts which appear to give coherence to what is really disconnected.

    A creative thinker like Charles Darwin, who is an excellent example of an extraverted thinker, could give order and meaning to the mass of facts he collected, but where the creative idea is lacking the thinker compensates by producing more and more facts, until there is a mountain of material, often of doubtful value.

    When the life of an individual is mainly ruled by thinking and his actions are usually the result of an intellectually considered motive, he may fairly be called a thinking type. The pure type is more often found among men than among women, whose thinking is usually of an intuitive nature. This type 'thinks things out' and comes to conclusions based on objective data -- what he calls 'the facts'. He likes logic and order, and is fond of inventing neat formulae to express his views. He bases his life on principles and would like to see others do the same. Wherever possible his family, his friends, and his working associates are included in his 'scheme of living', and he has a strong tendency to believe that his formula represents absolute truth, so that it becomes a moral duty to press its claims. This can lead him into equivocal situations through assuming that 'the ends justify the means'. He believes that he is rational and logical, but in fact he suppresses all that does not fit into his scheme, or refuses to recognize it. He both dislikes and fears the irrational, and he represses emotion and feeling, and tends to become cold and lacking in understanding of human weakness. He neglects the art of friendship and of relationship to other people, and is often a family tyrant. He can sacrifice his friends and family to his principles without the least idea that he is doing so -- it is all for their good. This type of man tends to have unfortunate love affairs, as his repressed feelings are likely to burst out with a violence beyond his control and to attach themselves to unsuitable women. In addition, he suffers from irrational moods which he does not admit, and doubts about his beliefs which he stifles with fanaticism. He often has a strong sense of duty, and his formula for life may include much that is good, even noble, but his manner of putting it into practice will lack warmth, tolerance, and those human qualities that refuse to be fitted into schemes and formulae.

    His thinking, however, is positive -- it produces something, either new facts or new conceptions.

    "Even when it analyses, it constructs, because it is always advancing beyond the analysis to a new combination .... It is, in any case, characteristic that it is never absolutely depreciatory or destructive, but always substitutes a fresh value for one that is demolished. This quality is due to the fact that thought is the main channel into which a thinking type's energy flows.8"

    In contrast to the extravert, the introverted thinking type is not interested in facts but in ideas; the chief value of this type of thinking lies in the new view it presents.



    Jung says of introverted thinking:

    "External facts are not the aim and origin of this thinking, although the introvert would often like to make it so appear. ... it formulates questions and creates theories; it opens up prospects and yields insight, but in the presence of facts it exhibits a reserved demeanor. As illustrative examples they have their value, but they must not prevail. Facts are collected as evidence or examples for a theory, but never for their own sake ... its actual creative power is proved by the fact that this thinking can also create that idea which, though not present in the external facts, is yet the most suitable, abstract expression of them.9"

    The introverted thinking type is interested in the inner, not the outer reality. What is important to him is the development and presentation of the 'primordial image, and its shaping into an idea. This has for him a compelling power; he has a vague notion that the idea may be of use to the world, sometimes even a conviction that it would be saved if it only knew, but these are secondary considerations, and not of vital importance to him.

    The introverted thinker viewed from outside is usually a distinctly odd character. Because of his concern with inner realities he gives little or no attention to his relationships with the world. He does not notice what is going on or understand how other people think or feel; he is either shy and silent in their company or else makes some inappropriate remark.

    The absent-minded professor is the typical example of an introverted thinker. An amusing story of the philosopher Schopenhauer illustrates the characteristics well: it is said that he was standing lost in thought in the middle of it flower-bed in a city park, when a gardener shouted to know what he was doing, and who did he think he was? 'Ah!' said Schopenhauer, 'if only I knew the answer to that!' 10

    The weakest point in both the thinking types is their neglected and under-developed feeling function. To understand what Jung means by feeling, one needs to make a distinction between the different ways in which the word can be used: feeling hot or cold is a sense-impression; feeling that something will happen, that someone is deceiving you (or having any similar experience) refers to a 'hunch' or intuition; when, however, one says 'I feel sorry' or 'I feel that is bad' or 'good', one is making a valuation of an emotionally toned experience. It is in this sense that Jung uses the word feeling when he speaks of a 'feeling function'.
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    My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.​ C.G. Jung

     



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