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    @Minde INFJ/ EII
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    You prefered T types in IR sorting and did F related messages.
    @Sol I will answer you here as we are more on topic.

    I did prefer T types in the IR test. I think you are too quick to call people F based on the content of their messages however. It may be harder to tell.

    You asked for a videointerview in the past, and I can send you the links to my Gulenko ones if you wish. Same goes for anyone who wishes to see my videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    I can send you the links to my Gulenko ones if you wish. Same goes for anyone who wishes to see my videos.
    I wouldn’t mind seeing them! the more g typing vids the better
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    Just wanted to say this, that I watched all of @Uncle Aves vids and I see where G got LSI! Definitely seems IJ Ni/Se>Ne/Si valuing, and a logical type. Definitely seems a beta or gamma logical introvert. Not an F type! Thanks again for letting me see, Ave!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    Just wanted to say this, that I watched all of @Uncle Aves vids and I see where G got LSI! Definitely seems IJ Ni>Se valuing, and a logical type. Definitely seems a beta or gamma logical introvert. Not an F type! Thanks again for letting me see, Ave!
    I have not seen said videos, but I have been considering LSI more for @Uncle Ave as of late. I have noticed that he is not verbose in the manner an LIE typically is... Alonzo was LIE and his style of writing and communication was the most similar to mine out of everybody Ive run across here... Ne, lots of Ne everywhere, but it is all structured and there is a clear preference for Ni + that unmistakeable Te bite. Adam is also not shy to lay down some longer, detailed posts, but he is more purely Te. LSI vibes to me like they want to say as much they can with as little actual words they can get by with; they are more concise. Only Fe will make them dish out a monologue, but it occurs more potently if its framed in a back-and-forth with Fe types. Sometimes, LIE and LSI can be tricky to distinguish (see: Elon Musk thread ).
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    I screwed up my previous post. Meant Ni/Se>Ne/Si, not Ni>Se. been doing that a lot lately. Sorry. I fixed it
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    @Kiana
    I offer you to do a typing thread with a videointerview, so people had more info to see your type. If Gulenko was correct about it then you'll get additional club for intellectual discussions.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    @Kiana
    I offer you to do a typing thread with a videointerview, so people had more info to see your type. If Gulenko was correct about it then you'll get additional club for intellectual discussions.
    you can find video of Kiana here
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    you can find video of Kiana here
    Thanks.
    By that SEE is possible for her, though a videointerview would be better.
    So she has higher basis for her Gulenko crusade, unlike those he clearly mistyped. But if to do that crusade by insulting people more possibly will have the negative effect.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    @shotgunfingers
    During a couple of monthes you wrote in your profile several types, among which was IEI. Then somehow as most stable type in your profile became LSI which never was there before, as seems S types. You seem changed in the profile the opinion about all 4 dichotomies.
    You've created a thread about "going out", what is not common for introverts, and broke own intention soon after.
    The degree of instability of your behavior does not fit to rational T base types. But fits to P types. Base T types prefer to think good before doing something. JS types accept decisions slower as pay more attention to concrete details. Also LS* have a will to hold for own decisions.

    As I said, most possible your type is ILE. And as said - only by IR with people IRL you'll can understand own type correctly.
    In case you'd do IR test in the past that could to help too, what seems you did not.

    Some girls seems were catched to acceot wrong types by promises (based on small data) of a duality with their pair. On what nonsense or emotions you were catched is a mystery. On a wish to have traits which you have no, as a stability common for LSI?
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    @shotgunfingers
    During a couple of monthes you wrote in your profile several types, among which was IEI. Then somehow as most stable type in your profile became LSI which never was there before, as seems S types. You seem changed in the profile the opinion about all 4 dichotomies.
    I didn't consider LSI, because the type describes someone who is physically neat, tidy and organized. I thought I was beta quadra from quadra descriptions. Only IEI made sense as i ruled out the other 3 types.

    You've created a thread about "going out", what is not common for introverts, and broke own intention soon after.
    The degree of instability of your behavior does not fit to rational T base types. But fits to P types. Base T types prefer to think good before doing something. JS types accept decisions slower as pay more attention to concrete details. Also LS* have a will to hold for own decisions.
    I am unsure how much of my presentation is chronic depression and how much is not. I have Дистимия, which means I am uninterested, unmotivated and basically unable to feel happiness. My presentation is fake and learned, inside I'm mostly just numb.

    As I said, most possible your type is ILE. And as said - only by IR with people IRL you'll can understand own type correctly.
    In case you'd do IR test in the past that could to help too, what seems you did not.

    Some girls seems were catched to acceot wrong types by promises (based on small data) of a duality with their pair. On what nonsense or emotions you were catched is a mystery. On a wish to have traits which you have no, as a stability common for LSI?
    Just write this in Russian I'll translate it. Your translation makes no sense in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Just write this in Russian I'll translate it. Your translation makes no sense in English.
    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but he said some girls that were typed accepted a wrong typing because they were led to believe (with insufficient evidence) that the people in their lives they described were duals, so that was appealing to them. He wants to know what part of being LSI appealed to your emotions for you to accept it as a typing.

    (which lmao Sol it was a lot more than just "promises of duality" that lead people to accept their typings, and if ITR is so important to understanding types, why wouldn't we be asked about the people we're closest to? I feel a lot closer to people IRL than in any of the videos in your ITR test)
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    It seems I missed some videos again @Uncle Ave if you dont mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by megedy View Post
    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but he said some girls that were typed accepted a wrong typing because they were led to believe (with insufficient evidence) that the people in their lives they described were duals, so that was appealing to them. He wants to know what part of being LSI appealed to your emotions for you to accept it as a typing.

    (which lmao Sol it was a lot more than just "promises of duality" that lead people to accept their typings, and if ITR is so important to understanding types, why wouldn't we be asked about the people we're closest to? I feel a lot closer to people IRL than in any of the videos in your ITR test)
    ah, LSI isn't appealing to me at least. I also don't relate to the base description. Without C or H subtype I'd consider it a mistype.. I have interacted with a self typed EIE from the forum and it went really bad tbh lol. Putting depression and ITR aside I am a highly deliberate and conscientious person who is very duty bound, which makes me very reliable despite all the crap e_e I do stuff like only being late for work once in 9 years, going to work on Sunday to fix problems someone else made, considering it my duty to work and help my family financially (the least I can do) and so on. I also hate surprises, need time to prepare for things, always think things over dozens of times before committing to any action. I lack spontaneity almost completely. Even with the depression I can just keep going forward until something changes, so I guess I have that LSI tenacity, I'm just messy and disorganized lol, by MBTI standards I'd be a P. There seems to be some connection between how messy my surroundings get and how depressed I am during that phase. When my mental goes down disorganization increases with the apathy. Here is the full description G sent me, I don't think he is wrong tbh. I am LSI imo.

    Conclusion by the interview
    Date: 9/1/2020
    Respondent: Attila
    Socionist: Victor Gulenko (SHS)
    Objective: define type and subtype
    Method: content analysis, body language
    Required knowledge: 16 types, 8 functions, temperaments, installations, DCNH subtype system
    Type as intersection of temperament and installation
    In order to determine the socionic type of a person, it is necessary to assess his or her temperament and installation. 4 temperaments X 4 installations = 16 types.
    Taking into account that people change over time, it is also necessary to define the variant of a particular person's type - one of four (DCNH system).
    Both the installation and the temperament are fairly well expressed in these videos that the respondent provided. Let’s start with installation.
    Installation (activity orientation)
    Logic is more than ethics
    The respondent is good at systematization and comprehension of complex information. He approaches everything that happens from the logical point of view - he tries to find regularities and draw reasonable conclusions. When memorizing, he relies on connections between the data to build a biger picture. He is good at solving problems where there is a system, including technical ones.
    Judging by his facial expressions, his smile is more like a role smile, i.e. consciously represented. Perhaps, he is learning some communication techniques on purpose. Emotions rarely capture him to such an extent that he loses self-control.

    Sensing is more than intuition
    In favor of the sensing is evidenced by his ability to watch his appearance, to look neat when he leaves the house. It is important for him to be perceived good by others. He is also quite observant, and thanks to his attention to detail, he determines what happened to a person by his/her facial expressions and body language.
    His mood does not change by itself, but depends on his physical condition, for example, he is hungry or full, tired or rested. He goes in for sports not to win competitions, but for health. This is evidence in favor of introverted sensing. You can also see the micro-mimicry of disgust on his face, which is also associated with this function.
    The respondent noted a great contrast between himself and the girl he met when he was 24 years old. This contrast also relates to the dependence on external evaluation. Compared to a girl who has a distracted and intuitive psyche, he looks like a sensor who monitors his current position, he needs feedback to correct his mistakes.
    In extreme situations, he may also develop a power sensing. The respondent is ready to defend himself in conflicts. In states of anger, he may show aggression, for example, he may break equipment.
    The logic with the sensing gives the technical and managerial installation for the activity.
    Temperament
    Introversion is more than extraversion
    The respondent describes himself as not a very sociable person who has difficulty gaining popularity. At parties, he makes a barbecue instead of active communication. His inner world of reflections and perceptions is much richer than external activity, what is typical for introverts.
    In public, he feels anxious and uncertain. It is much better when he is in the middle of a crowd and does not stand out from it. Among his hobbies, introverted activities prevail - reading, films, computer games, individual sports.
    Rationality is more than irrationality
    This parameter is the hardest to determine.
    Let's see how the respondent's mental process is organized. The logic of the respondent precedes the sensing. Before implementing something, he will analyze and plan. This is how the psyche of rationality is organized. Irrationalists act more spontaneously and according to the situation, rather than consistently and according to some strategy.

    Besides, the respondent notes that knowledge is not stored in his memory in an orderly manner. Since internal communication and presentation of accumulated data in a more chaotic form what corresponds to the second function rather than the first one, the assumption about rational organization of the respondent's psyche is confirmed. Logic processes and gives solutions to the outer world, quickly addressing the data accumulated by the sensing. The first function (logic) can be compared to the processor, and the second function (sensing) to memory. This is a mental circuit that is used by the logic-sensor types.
    This temperament is called balanced-stable.
    But if the respondent was rational, why is he messy? It is also not very clear where he got his melancholic states from. We will find the answer to this question in his subtype.
    Subtype
    What can we say about his subtype? - The most probable subtype in DCNH system is the fourth one, i.e. harmonizing (H).
    This is evidenced, firstly, by his distantness (thoughtfulness, initial detachment, unwillingness to actively intervene in conflict situations) and, secondly, by the lesser orderliness of everyday life with a greater interest in change, rather than routine (initiality).
    Distantness combined with initiality just gives a harmonizing subtype. But it becomes clear from the interview that the respondent has changed significantly over time. He develops the qualities of contactness - more emotionality and sociability, as well as ease going. If these efforts are supported, for example, by friends, family, etc., it is possible over time to move to a creative subtype.
    The conclusion
    So, the type of respondent is a balanced-stable temperament in the management installation - LSI (Inspector) of a harmonizing subtype. Characteristic feature of such personality: a long search for yourself, philosophical reflection on life, depression control, loyalty, a sense of lost harmony and the desire to regain it.

    Дата: 01.09.2020
    Респондент: Attila
    Соционик: Виктор Гуленко (ШГС)
    Что требуется: определить тип и подтип
    Метод: анализ по содержанию ответов и языку тела (body language)
    Что необходимо знать: 16 типов, 8 функций, темпераменты, установки, система DCNH
    Тип как пересечение темперамента и установки
    Для того чтобы определить соционический тип человека, необходимо как минимум оценить его темперамент и установку на вид деятельности. Четыре темперамента Х четыре установки = 16 типов.
    Принимая во внимание, что люди со временем меняются, нужно также указать вариант типа конкретного человека на данный момент – один из четырёх (система DCNH).
    В данных видео, которые предоставил респондент, достаточно хорошо выражена как установка, так и темперамент. Начнём с установки.
    Установка на вид деятельности
    Логика больше этики
    У респондента хорошо получается систематизация и осмысление сложной информации. Ко всему происходящему он подходит с логической точки зрения – пытается найти закономерности и сделать обоснованные выводы. При запоминании опирается на связи между данными, чтобы построить большую картину. Хорошо решает задачи, где есть система, в том числе техническая.
    Если судить по мимике, его улыбка скорее ролевая, то есть сознательно представляемая. Возможно, он специально осваивает те или иные техники общения. Эмоции редко захватывают его до такой степени, чтобы утрачивался самоконтроль.
    Сенсорика больше интуиции
    В пользу сенсорики свидетельствует его умение следить за своим внешним видом, выглядеть аккуратным, если он выходит из дому. Для него важно восприятие другими. Кроме того он довольно наблюдательный, благодаря

    вниманию к мелким деталям он определяет, что произошло с человеком, по его мимике и языку тела.
    Его настроение не меняется само по себе, а зависит от физического состояния, например, голоден он или сыт, устал или отдохнул. Он занимается спортом не для победы в соревнованиях, а для здоровья. Это свидетельство в пользу интровертной сенсорики. Также прослеживается микромимика отвращения на его лице, что также связано с этой функцией.
    Респондент отметил большой контраст между собой и девушкой, с которой он познакомился, когда ему было 24 года. Этот контраст касается и зависимости от внешней оценки. По сравнению с девушкой, которая обладает отвлечённо-интуитивной психикой, он выглядит как сенсорик, который следит за своим текущим положением, ему важна обратная связь, чтобы исправить свои ошибки.
    В экстремальных ситуациях у него может проявиться и силовая сенсорика. Респондент готов отстоять себя в конфликтах. В состояниях гнева может проявить агрессию, например, разбить оборудование.
    Логика с сенсорикой дают технико-управленческую установку на вид деятельности.
    Темперамент
    Интроверсия больше экстраверсии
    Респондент характеризует себя как не очень общительного человека, которому трудно завоевать популярность. На вечеринках он готовит барбекю вместо активного общения. Его внутренний мир размышлений и представлений гораздо богаче, чем внешняя активность, что характерно для интровертов.
    На публике он чувствует себя тревожно и неуверенно. Гораздо лучше, когда он находится в середине толпы и ничем от неё не выделяется. Среди его увлечений преобладают интровертные занятия - чтение, фильмы, компьютерные игры, индивидуальный спорт.
    Рациональность больше иррациональности
    Этот параметр определить труднее всего.
    Посмотрим, как организован у респондента ментальный процесс. Логика у респондента определяет сенсорику. Прежде чем воплощать, он будет анализировать и планировать. Так организована психика рационалов. Иррационалы действуют более спонтанно и по ситуации, а не последовательно и по какой-то стратегии.

    Кроме того, респондент отмечает, что знания не хранятся в его памяти упорядоченно. Так как внутренняя коммуникация и представление накопленных данных в более хаотической форме соответствует второй функции, а не первой, то предположение о рациональной организации психики респондента подтверждается. Логика обрабатывает и выдаёт решения наружу, быстро обращаясь к данным, накопленным сенсорикой. При этом первую функцию (логика) можно сравнить с процессором, а вторую (сенсорика) – с памятью. Это ментальная схема, по которой работают логико-сенсорные типы.
    Но если респондент рационал, почему он messy? Также не очень понятно, откуда у него меланхолические состояния. Ответ на это вопрос мы найдём в его подтипе.
    Подтип
    Что можно сказать о его подтипе? – Наиболее вероятный подтип в системе DCNH – четвёртый, то есть гармонизирующий (H). В пользу этого свидетельствует, во-первых, его дистантность (задумчивость, первоначальная отстранённость, нежелание активно вмешиваться в конфликтные ситуации) и, во-вторых, меньшая бытовая упорядоченность при большем интересе к переменам, а не рутине (инициальность).
    Дистантность в сочетании с инициальностью и даёт гармонизирующий подтип. Но из интервью становится понятным, что респондент значительно изменился с течением времени. Он вырабатывает в себе качества контактности - большую эмоциональность и общительность, а также лёгкость на подъём. Если эти усилия будут поддерживаться, например, со стороны друзей, семьи и т. д, то со временем возможен переход в креативный подтип.
    Выводы
    Итак, тип респондента – уравновешенно-стабильный темперамент в управленческой установке - ЛСИ гармонизирующего подтипа (Инспектор переборчивый). Характерная черта такой личности: долгие поиски себя, философское осмысление жизни, борьба с депрессией, лояльность, чувство утраченной гармонии и желание его вновь обрести
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