Your typing of forum members

[Beautiful sky]

EIE integrates all the most beautiful and poetic tales, myths, legends, fantasies and images that he gathers on his information field, fluttering along it as gracefully and with ease as a butterfly moves among the most exquisite flowers.

From this comes EIE's interest in collecting art treasures, that many members of this TIM collect for those to whom this will be valuable in the future, who will carefully manage and preserve them, and pass them on to future generations.

From this come the high demands of the EIE towards any creation and creative work – high demands to its quality and depth, to the informational and substantiative compactness of content for the perfect harmony and perfection of the form – to all that is expressed and provided for by sophisticated "high style" and "high-tech" extroverted aspects of the "evolutionary" ring of benefit (LSE-ILE-EIE-SEE).

His creative task and challenge the EIE sees in taking the global, constructive ideas, that relate to the fundamental constructs of the world, worldviews, perceptions and understandings, which he receives over the aspect of intuition of potential (+Ne) from his "benefactor" ILE, Don Quixote, and supplementing them with the brightest imagery and fantasies that are deep in meaning and succinct in content. And putting them into a harmonically sophisticated and brightest in strength of expression and impressions form (which the EIE later sends to the material-technical processing and preservation ("conservation") of his dual LSI, and his social successor SEE, who in turn will forward it to the technological improvement of his "beneficiary" LSE, who in turn will forward it back to the ILE for further intuitive complication and expansion of possibilistic capacity at the new turn of "the spiral" of evolution).

[Beautiful sky]

This program is the maximum of TIM EIE. It comes down to bringing the happiness to mankind by the creation of a better future from the present. And to bringing happiness to oneself by knowing that one was involved in this noble mission.

Without color, light, richness and romantic creativity of the EIE, the life of LSI would be terrible, mundane, and gloomy, alike a raw, cold, dark cellar. It wouldn't even be life, as it would't supply him with either energy and strengths, nor the desire to live and enjoy his existence (-Fe).

[golden]

Hahaha

I'm 20, gay and living in NJ

...Sorry to disappoint (again)

This sounds much better than the Ohio thing.

[Beautiful sky]

From the way the girl/woman holds and behaves herself in the community – quietly, modestly, but with dignity and with clear understanding of her place in the system, while not losing it, not giving way to anyone, and defending her rights by lawful, normal, legitimate ways; by the way she knows how to be friendly with the people around her and respectful of elders; by the way she is able to allocate and spend the time doing useful and needed tasks (for successful existence in communal conditions); by the way she selects her inner circle from the most trustworthy and well brought up peers; by the way she organizes her leisure time, visiting theaters, museums, libraries – from all of this it becomes clear whether she would make an appropriate match for such "a person of the system" ("a man in a case") as is Maxim. Here, as a rule, either everything fits "one to one" (as in a good cliché) or doesn't match at all.

[Olimpia]

@Alonzo ILI

[Sol]

@Alonzo ILI

only if you have IEI instead of ESE

[queentiger]

only if you have IEI instead of ESE

is everyone IEI to you? LOL

[Alonzo]

@Alonzo ILI

ILI/INTp/INTJ was the very first typing I ever received and the one I gravitated to most, until I came across the Socionics LIE/ENTj--I've never fully gelled with MBTI ENTJ. I had always identified as an introvert (but in a social sense) but no one else around me ever seemed to agree. lol But a while back, I stumbled upon "ambiversion" and read several places that those who are extroverts and intuitive can oftentimes appear to be more introverted than what they actually are, and seeing as how Te, in particular, is not inherently extroverted in the social "let's be friends" sense, I figured it made sense as to why I tended to prefer my own company to that of others unless work was involved and frequently liked to disconnect from the world and live in my head for a bit.

It's just that regarding Fe and Se, I'm not a complete incompetent; I concede that my usage of Fe is heavy handed and not particularly sophisticated, but at least my face actually moves and I try at it. lol I see the utility in it though I'd rather not deal on those terms, at all. And with Se, I've never had too big a problem with taking action and asserting my will, especially when "go time"; moreover, I enjoy getting in people's faces and throwing my weight around. lol If anything, I err on the side of being restless and impulsive more so than inert and lethargic. If not a non subtype LIE, then the only other options I'd see for myself are LIE-Ni and ILI-Te.

Btw, are you IEI? Something about you (read: vibez) strikes me as a IEI but you don't have shitty Te, as in, you don't seem to fear it...which is refreshing. lol

[queentiger]

ILI/INTp/INTJ was the very first typing I ever received and the one I gravitated to most, until I came across the Socionics LIE/ENTj--I've never fully gelled with MBTI ENTJ. I had always identified as an introvert (but in a social sense) but no one else around me ever seemed to agree. lol But a while back, I stumbled upon "ambiversion" and read several places that those who are extroverts and intuitive can oftentimes appear to be more introverted than what they actually are, and seeing as how Te, in particular, is not inherently extroverted in the social "let's be friends" sense, I figured it made sense as to why I tended to prefer my own company to that of others unless work was involved and frequently liked to disconnect from the world and live in my head for a bit.

It's just that regarding Fe and Se, I'm not a complete incompetent; I concede that my usage of Fe is heavy handed and not particularly sophisticated, but at least my face actually moves and I try at it. lol I see the utility in it though I'd rather not deal on those terms, at all. And with Se, I've never had too big a problem with taking action and asserting my will, especially when "go time"; moreover, I enjoy getting in people's faces and throwing my weight around. lol If anything, I err on the side of being restless and impulsive more so than inert and lethargic. If not a non subtype LIE, then the only other options I'd see for myself are LIE-Ni and ILI-Te.

Btw, are you IEI? Something about you (read: vibez) strikes me as a IEI but you don't have shitty Te, as in, you don't seem to fear it...which is refreshing. lol

Ambiversion is an interesting concept. Like personally because I'm such an egomaniac I don't really get my energy from others and I have dislike towards around 97% of people. I see most people as useful idiots tbh.

[Alonzo]

only if you have IEI instead of ESE

Lemme guess, you just woke up? Confused, disoriented and covered in the barely digested remains of your gin soaked lunch?

is everyone IEI to you? LOL

Pissy diaper wearing MFer likes to type everyone he conflicts with as a IEI. lol

[queentiger]

Lemme guess, you just woke up? Confused, disoriented and covered in the barely digested remains of your gin soaked lunch?



Pissy diaper wearing MFer likes to type everyone he conflicts with as a IEI. lol

Haha lol he typed me as an IEI even tho my Se is obviously far too stronk for that shit.

[Carolus]

not to be rude but ambiversion as a concept is useless as unless you have some sort of mental illness everyone has the capability to be outgoing and self-isolating. what determines introversion/extraversion is whether one is predominantly inward focused or outward focused, and you can't really be in between on that.

[queentiger]

not to be rude but ambiversion as a concept is useless as unless you have some sort of mental illness everyone has the capability to be outgoing and self-isolating. what determines introversion/extraversion is whether one is predominantly inward focused or outward focused, and you can't really be in between on that.

This is 2019, everyone has a mental illness.

[Megatrop]

This is 2019, everyone has a mental illness.

This confirms that ambiversion is bs actually

[Raver]

not to be rude but ambiversion as a concept is useless as unless you have some sort of mental illness everyone has the capability to be outgoing and self-isolating. what determines introversion/extraversion is whether one is predominantly inward focused or outward focused, and you can't really be in between on that.

Ambiversion means that someone can be socially extroverted or socially introverted depending on the situation even if they have a slight preference towards one or the other. It doesn't mean that they're exactly 50/50 socially extroverted/introverted at the same exact situation or even in general. A lot of people fit into ambiversion going by this definition but generally speaking, people tend to have at least a moderate preference towards one or the other. Plus like you said, no one is completely outgoing or self isolating so it stands to reason that someone is capable of being both at roughly the same amount, but at different times.

[Number 9 large]

This confirms that ambiversion is bs actually

True, cuz ambiversion = illness

[Olimpia]

Ambiversion means that someone can be socially extroverted or socially introverted depending on the situation even if they have a slight preference towards one or the other. It doesn't mean that they're exactly 50/50 socially extroverted/introverted at the same exact situation or even in general. A lot of people fit into ambiversion going by this definition but generally speaking, people tend to have at least a moderate preference towards one or the other. Plus like you said, no one is completely outgoing or self isolating so it stands to reason that someone is capable of being both at roughly the same amount, but at different times.

If I wasn't self-aware, hadn't grown up with a bunch of extroverts to whom the difference was clear, and I didn't know much about personality type theory, I'd have to categorize myself as an ambivert, due to the fact I both need lots of "alone time" and recharging, but also I have the need to be socially involved and with friends on some level being So/Sx. (So/Sx is pretty much the most "extroverted" stacking in a stereotypical sense.)

Some time ago I talked with two guys about personality type theory, the SEE (Social first, could be So/Sx) asked me what I think his type is, I said he is an extrovert, and he agreed haha. He said he gets energized by being around people and really enjoys it. My ESI friend was there too, and she said "You lucky one" haha she knows she is an introvert even though she is also So/Sx, that's interesting.

Anyway, the guy who I still haven't typed properly yet, ha, he said he relates to ambiversion. That he sometimes likes to be on his own, other times he likes to be out and "get crazy" hah. I told him "You'd be interesting for a typing session". He is probably an introvert with Contact (second function) subtype, those people relate to "ambiversion" generally. And/or he might be an extrovert after all (though I am doubtful about it), he is most likely Sx/Sp, and an extrovert with that stacking usually relates to ambiversion too.

[Troll Nr 007]

being social involves many factors and qualities. Just talk me about logistic procedures and fishing (as activity but as in effects it is different thing.. unless it touches protocols..)... ugh.

I'm usually talking when I know that people can or at least try to follow me while handling close personal contact (Fi) which is introverted activity is much harder. When they are talking about skiing I'm not thinking about it as an activity because Ne is like X-ray vision towards intangible. There are so many closed off people towards my perception that they will express their dissatisfaction in terms like "too deep, too complicated, what are you smoking, high again, are you drunk, huge enthusiasm but impractical, getting out of hands again... dude, simplify, I'm sure most of us can not understand your thoughts, it is already good enough... why... just why..."

[Alonzo]

Anyway, the guy who I still haven't typed properly yet, ha, he said he relates to ambiversion. That he sometimes likes to be on his own, other times he likes to be out and "get crazy" hah. I told him "You'd be interesting for a typing session". He is probably an introvert with Contact (second function) subtype, those people relate to "ambiversion" generally. And/or he might be an extrovert after all (though I am doubtful about it), he is most likely Sx/Sp, and an extrovert with that stacking usually relates to ambiversion too.

More than once in my life, I've been the guy at the club dozing off on top of the loud speakers or yawning as I recklessly catapult myself through the air for some idiotic reason. lol I enjoy being at the pulse of the action, even if it eventually drains the life outta me. I know that I have trash Si because I'll instinctively push myself without any notice or immediate care for my physical well being > won't eat, won't sleep, won't sit down, and will endure all types of pain and discomfort until my "Sx" focus/desire/goal is well satiated, and I then I collapse. lol Perhaps, that is the culprit? The push, the magnetic draw and unyielding urge to meld with something overriding my natural limitations until I burn out. A fucking mess.

[Olimpia]

More than once in my life, I've been the guy at the club dozing off on top of the loud speakers or yawning as I recklessly catapult myself through the air for some idiotic reason. lol I enjoy being at the pulse of the action, even if it eventually drains the life outta me. I know that I have trash Si because I'll instinctively push myself without any notice or immediate care for my physical well being > won't eat, won't sleep, won't sit down, and will endure all types of pain and discomfort until my "Sx" focus/desire/goal is well satiated, and I then I collapse. lol Perhaps, that is the culprit? The push, the magnetic draw and unyielding urge to meld with something overriding my natural limitations until I burn out. A fucking mess.

Sounds like Sx/So problems And dare I say introvert? Haha...

[GammavsBeta]

More than once in my life, I've been the guy at the club dozing off on top of the loud speakers or yawning as I recklessly catapult myself through the air for some idiotic reason. lol I enjoy being at the pulse of the action, even if it eventually drains the life outta me. I know that I have trash Si because I'll instinctively push myself without any notice or immediate care for my physical well being > won't eat, won't sleep, won't sit down, and will endure all types of pain and discomfort until my "Sx" focus/desire/goal is well satiated, and I then I collapse. lol Perhaps, that is the culprit? The push, the magnetic draw and unyielding urge to meld with something overriding my natural limitations until I burn out. A fucking mess.

I understand your mindset, but I think eating and sleeping will help you reach your goal better and is beneficial in the long run, maybe keep dark chocolate or bananas around the side and just eat them randomly.

I guess you're sp last so if you're irritated then sorry in advance

[GammavsBeta]

Unless I completely misunderstood the point lol

[Alonzo]

I understand your mindset, but I think eating and sleeping will help you reach your goal better and is beneficial in the long run, maybe keep dark chocolate or bananas around the side and just eat them randomly.

I guess you're sp last so if you're irritated then sorry in advance

lol I appreciate the advice and in my general day to day affairs, I'm very much about that "Wholefoods"/Organic/Naturopath/Holistic/Kale and Wheat Grass chugging/Yoga/Gym Rat life. I'd rather take care of myself by myself than see a doctor (they love to fear monger, scold and threaten); the only problem is that once my Sx instinct has latched onto something, everything else can easily fall by the waist side, and that's because I don't prioritize Sp matters. However, I've noticed that the older I get, the more I cater to those types of things. But in my early 20s, I had no limits--at the time, I would've argued that corporeal concerns irritatingly held me back from more important objectives and so "fuck em."

In other news, you ever consider SEE as your type? I get a lot of ambient energy from you; your presence has a bit of hyper activity to it, and having Sonic the Hedge Hog in your avatar probably lends to this perception. lol I also saw that one of your previous screen names was something to the effect of "Ultimate DJ" which...stereotypically speaking, oozes strong Se and Fe--though Fe doesn't seem like a conscious, primary objective of yours, necessarily; and you will issue a (what strikes me as mobilizing) Te bitch slap here and there. But I remember you having IEI and ILI as your listed type before, which never felt exactly right to me. You see yourself as an introvert?

[GammavsBeta]

lol I appreciate the advice and in my general day to day affairs, I'm very much about that "Wholefoods"/Organic/Naturopath/Holistic/Kale and Wheat Grass chugging/Yoga/Gym Rat life. I'd rather take care of myself by myself than see a doctor (they love to fear monger, scold and threaten); the only problem is that once my Sx instinct has latched onto something, everything else can easily fall by the waist side, and that's because I don't prioritize Sp matters. However, I've noticed that the older I get, the more I cater to those types of things. But in my early 20s, I had no limits--at the time, I would've argued that corporeal concerns irritatingly held me back from more important objectives and so "fuck em."

In other news, you ever consider SEE as your type? I get a lot of ambient energy from you; your presence has a bit of hyper activity to it, and having Sonic the Hedge Hog in your avatar probably lends to this perception. lol I also saw that one of your previous screen names was something to the effect of "Ultimate DJ" which...stereotypically speaking, oozes strong Se and Fe--though Fe doesn't seem like a conscious, primary objective of yours, necessarily; and you will issue a (what strikes me as mobilizing) Te bitch slap here and there. But I remember you having IEI and ILI as your listed type before, which never felt exactly right to me. You see yourself as an introvert?

Yup I consider myself introverted, but it's possible that I could be a laid back extrovert.

Haha, TheUltimateDJ391 was a name I made for YouTube a couple of years ago and continued to utilise it in forums, though it was only really for the name and not so much my ability :/.

[Alonzo]

Yup I consider myself introverted, but it's possible that I could be a laid back extrovert.

Haha, TheUltimateDJ391 was a name I made for YouTube a couple of years ago and continued to utilise it in forums, though it was only really for the name and not so much my ability :/.

Do you know your enneagram type?

[GammavsBeta]

Do you know your enneagram type?

Yeah, 9w1(but any type is possible I guess)

[roger557]

Yeah, 9w1(but any type is possible I guess)

Have you considered 6w7 ?

[GammavsBeta]

Have you considered 6w7 ?

Yup
Considered 4,6,2,1 and 5 as well as 9

I don't think I'm a reactive type though at all but it's an interesting typing

To conclude it 9w1 is a high favourite followed by 1w9 and maybe 5w4

[GammavsBeta]

Anyone here who actively uses discord and hasn't added me already?

[Sol]

This confirms that ambiversion is bs actually

people have a predisposition for an accentuation to one side. but the degree of actual balance can be different
alike with hands - could be developed good the both sides. the optimum state is equal balance

[Beautiful sky]

Dialyzing with "a girl from the communal housing" is even preferable because it is here that the LSI has an opportunity to look closely at her and judge her ability to successfully exist within "system relations", observing all the rules of "communal living". (Life in a medieval castle, too, was organized according to the principle of "communal cohabitation", even though it was paid for by the feudal lord and followed rank differences: those closer to the elite had the most comforts and privileges. But the ability to live in communal housing – quietly, modestly, tidily, observing decorum, and not going beyond one's statute – would distinguish that girl who had every reason to establish the best opinion about herself (among the controlling structures), to get the best recommendation, to make a successful career, to earn the reputation of being "exemplary", "dutiful", "indispensable", and get closer to the "elite" in the shortest possible time. It is precisely such a wife, suitable for living in any enclosed and self-contained system, that the LSI will chose based on his calculations and sympathies.

This is not EII. Period. Can't you see?

[Number 9 large]

this emoji isnt Fi, cant you see it?

[Sol]

this emoji isnt Fi, cant you see it?

her emotionally agitated avatar is not *sigh*
alike her rude talking

I told her for years about EII as not her type based on her nonverbal and talking style. She has more chance to reject types' theory to explain the reality, than to agree with the mistyping. She puts too many emotions in thinking herself as EII. She affraids the pain of understanding her real type. Her emotional dependency grows, what may lead to her typology views becoming more and more exotic. What she sees is lesser important, than what she feels. She'll play in Socionics delusions until the death. Nothing will change her. It's irrational approach which may harm her and other people, but she unconsciously supposes the truth would harm more. Te is the weakest and meanwhile nonvalued function of base Fe types. They may choose an idea and hold it despite anything more than any other types. IEI are more dreamers - their mind may come to the truth by indirect ways, while EIE are strict in delusions. Religiously strict.

[Alonzo]

Sounds like Sx/So problems And dare I say introvert? Haha...

I've been thinking about this over the past few days...

I see Ne as a head centered, mental energy extended/expended outwardly and Se as a fuller body, corporeal energy extended/expended outwardly; I think that by virtue of most intuitive types manifesting 1-2D Se, it's more difficult for us to physically "last" and "keep up" with 3-4D Se users in environments that call for strong, enduring Se usage, like a dance club, for example. But let's say I'm at a club or, better yet, a cocktail party, and I happen to randomly join a conversation that sparks my ideational curiosity, I can go on and on and on and on and never exhaust > I'll have all the energy in the world for things that allow me to wax intuitive, whereas, after an extended period, I'll notice my 4D Se friends becoming more interested in their phones. lol This is why I don't believe that physically tiring out, as it pertains a high Se atmosphere/environment/activity, is necessarily a good indicator of introversion. As far as EIEs, LIES, IEEs and ILEs are concerned, I think that is probably why we can superficially appear to be more introverted than what we actually are, especially when lacking external stimuli that sparks our Ne and/or being involved in situations that demand we overindulge in our low D Se.

[Alonzo]

her emotionally agitated avatar is not *sigh*
alike her rude talking

I told her for years about EII as not her type based on her nonverbal and talking style. She has more chance to reject types' theory to explain the reality, than to agree with the mistyping. She puts too many emotions in thinking herself as EII. She affraids the pain of understanding her real type. Her emotional dependency grows, what may lead to her typology views becoming more and more exotic. What she sees is lesser important, than what she feels. She'll play in Socionics delusions until the death. Nothing will change her. It's irrational approach which may harm her and other people, but she unconsciously supposes the truth would harm more. Te is the weakest and meanwhile nonvalued function of base Fe types. They may choose an idea and hold it despite anything more than any other types. IEI are more dreamers - their mind may come to the truth by indirect ways, while EIE are strict in delusions. Religiously strict.

lol A total joke.

Have you not seen her videos? She is Fe-ignoring as fuuuuuuuck; she does not readily and openly wear and share emotionality on her face, at all; she totally embodies the cold, impassive, walled off Fi attitude; she doesn't have a melodic lilt to her voice as if singing where she is trying to infuse the external environment with some sort of feeling cue. She is a Fi subtype, and so the Fe ignoring comes through even stronger in her visage, juxtaposed to a Ne subtype, which may manifest more facial mobility. And yet you claim to be so adept at VI, when it's obvious you don't know what in the actual fuck you're talking about. Seriously, take a seat.

[Subteigh]

♪
So I turned myself to face me
But I've never caught a glimpse
Of how the others must see the faker
I'm much too fast to take that test
♪

[Beautiful sky]

lol A total joke.

Have you not seen her videos? She is Fe-ignoring as fuuuuuuuck; she does not readily and openly wear and share emotionality on her face, at all; she totally embodies the cold, impassive, walled off Fi attitude; she doesn't have a melodic lilt to her voice as if singing where she is trying to infuse the external environment with some sort of feeling cue. She is a Fi subtype, and so the Fe ignoring comes through even stronger in her visage, juxtaposed to a Ne subtype, which may manifest more facial mobility. And yet you claim to be so adept at VI, when it's obvious you don't know what in the actual fuck you're talking about. Seriously, take a seat.

He can't type people. Anyone. I wouldn't count on anything he says.

[WinnieW]

I see Ne as a head centered, mental energy extended/expended outwardly

I'd describe as an awareness that happen very spontanous. An idea that hit an Ne ego like lightning; a non-controllable source of concepts and patterns that pops up out of the subconcious into the mind.

I guess I'm somewhat off-topic now...

[Alonzo]

I'd describe as an awareness that happen very spontanous. An idea that hit an Ne ego like lightning; a non-controllable source of concepts and patterns that pops up out of the subconcious into the mind.

I'd say "spontaneous" from the standpoint that it wasn't planned, but it sparks from first focusing on some object, thought, idea, that can rapidly lead to another seemingly unrelated, "spontaneous" object, thought, idea that can begin to form patterns in that the connections and associations start to branch out tangentially like a tree branch.

[WinnieW]

Yeah, but I guess is capable of other funny things, like language based humor.
English is my second language, but I'm able to crack jokes about ambigutiy of words or short expressions;
like a classic, not from me:
"A one-handed person is entering a second-hand shop"

A few days ago I came up with the joke:
"I guess I've to make a complain about my mobile phone. I doesn't seem to work properly. Evertime I switch it to flight mode it doesn't take off."