Thanks, I'm flattered. But unfortunately I am just a SEI with Ti mobilizing and Normalizing subtype who has gone through normal western analytical education (I have a masters degree in languages, it took me 10 years to get it). And studied typology for the last 15 years.Originally Posted by Megatrop
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Why not? Did I say roll function geez I mean activation
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
do you remember how I mentioned a couple of times that Ni+ has a potential interest in languages? I do.
Right? I said the same thing. I don't understand why socionists want videos or pictures to type people, like bitch that seems so weird. I'm definitely not sending my personal info like that on a sketchy website full crazies and weirdos.
Dude your brain... You're on a different level. I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING WTH.
Alive being EII makes so much sense because really he's making Fi associations and not Ti cateforizations. You noticed that?
And personally from what I've seen Alive likes to play victim or helpless when in reality that's far from the truth. Sure it's silly to get mad over typing everyone IEI but Alive deliberately seeks out conflict with people and acts oblivious and helpless to it, when it's really his own fault.
That’s pure Ti of you because Ti is and I will quote for others:
“ I would say it's a very specialized and personal method of evaluating problems and potential solutions. It's weighing different options and selecting the one that seems to offer the most benefits with the least expenditure of effort or danger.”
So you took what someone else said and applied it to your self
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
you don't have to. nobody is forcing you to upload a video. people ask for their type, and a video provides more info than a bunch of words. you have Ni paranoia, imagining all the potential downsides of it. as for your EII post, I have no idea what your thought processes were when you wrote that. you use words like Fi or Ti but I'm not sure if you know what they mean.
Ouch my fee fees.˖♡ It'll be okay Alive uwu
This series is also great at explaining the functions. Be sure to scroll through the comments section too since lots of knowledgeable people contribute their insights.
https://youtu.be/4qZ7mwbZXT4
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
logic is more likely, yes
LSI is my hunch atm
@trick @Sahira
a typing video is by far the best option, because there is higher quality of data and more varied forms of it - how you act, what you say etc. reading a questionnaire in that can be good, but a questionnaire is quite useless on its own, mostly because most people who want to get typed here lurk and read about the theory before posting, which means that self-reports are often consciously or unconsciously censored or manipulated according to what type the typee thinks is most attractive/correct.
paranoia about consequences of/general uneasiness about showing yourself on here is more likely for introverts, non-valued Ne, sensors. most of us are just interested in socionics, promise
Sahira talks more like an ethical type, most likely Fe. the profile pic leads the thoughts to ESE/SEI
Last edited by nifl; 01-28-2023 at 01:00 PM.
Yes, based on what I write here, Ti base would maybe make sense. I've said it before. It's just funny for me to see how people make conclusions based on a very limited sample, a certain persona that one develops over time when talking about typology. We adapt and develop, and this is hard to take into account in the forum, we don't know each other well enough and people are also often quite young in the forum and take the descriptions very literally. The result is a typing that doesn't make sense at all, if you knew the person in real life. What seems like strong thinking is actually weak valued thinking applied on experience or learned material. Or subtype thinking. It's also easier to fool people in text, because vague, weak ideas can be worked upon so that they look convincing and strong. When the text is read it sounds natural, as if it was produced by a different base type.
Then there is the talk about Ni. @Megatrop says that I have "high focus on Ni". This is not true. He seems to link Ni to certain themes, talking about certain things that he feels is "Ni". But talking about psychology or spirituality is not necessarily Ni, although it can be it. Ni is very abstract, something like "philosophical intuition". Most subjects can be talked about in many ways, using different functions, and this also goes for psychology and spirituality.
One more thing. SEI is a type that often has trouble putting his ego functions to use. Some can do it, but many get stuck. Instead they might learn to go in a more Ti direction. They become slightly neurotic, forgetting their own type. Especially for men it can be a way forward, although it's also uncomfortable. So there are reasons for why some people appear to be another type.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Megatrop sees that you are clearly interested in theoretical, abstract concepts, which is not what sensing types are about. In my opinion, you could be presented with an objective test that tells you you are not SEI and you would still think it would be wrong. You have committed yourself to your self-typing, like so many people here. No alternative is valid, because you have ignoring Ne.
Almost no one here values Ne. Having spend so much time on this website, I'm very sure about that.
Such an ironic post. The best part is that you neither see nor want to see the irony.
This guy explained the cognitive functions in just 8 videos better, more in detail, structured & listed them on a white board (similar to CS Joseph), than pretty much any MBTI video that I watched during the time span of a year.
I think that you would be mistaken that no one here has considered the alternative about their type. Some of us have and have done it not only on the forum but also in our private lives but those of us who are certain have come to understand ourselves and how the model A works in us. I for one have stopped in my let’s say my Se Polr moment in real life and cursed myself lol. I think you have to consider that people are more than they appear on this sight on the surface.
I understand though you are a J type and are quick now to make these thought judgments as to stick to a system of thought that you have currently. I would encourage you to read a lot and suspend judgement for a while
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think Beautiful Sky is ESI (based on what I know of her, which is basically what she posts on here). She seems focused on her family and close relations, and seems concrete in her centers of interest for the most part. EII social mission is about helping others heal psychological traumas at a close emotional distance, so they make good psychologists, counselors, etc. Gabor Maté, Abraham Maslow, and Carl Rogers are examples. I just don't reall see her in that role, but I could be wrong.
But I don't think she will agree with me, we're probably looking at different images of the types anyways, which leads to different conclusions. I don't use model A much if at all, and I don't type by "polr".
While I don't follow all of Alive's conclusions, I do think people on this site have alot in common because of their types, or at least quadra values. There is alot of beta and gamma I think, but I also think that's true of society at large (but here probably even moreso).
Have you watched her videos?
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I have not. I'm simply basing myself on what she talks about in the forum, and it seems to connect well with the social mission of ESI, more oriented towards her close environment.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Socionics/c...a_closer_look/
· ESI: Ethics of Welfare (R- into S+, or Fi into Si). Guardians are a quiet (and quite rare) people who always evaluate everyone they come in contact with as a people. “Are they good enough to be included in my social circle? Are they ethical?” This is all fine and good, however, the society needs ESIs to use their tendencies to minimize negative relationships in order to maximize our comforts in an ethical manner, so people are not walked on, and that the environment is safe. Guardians seem to be the best match for LIEs as partners in that regard, preventing them from totally destroying our planet.Actually, I think it could be either for @Beautiful sky . It can be difficult to tell online. I can see her identifying with the first sentence of the EII social mission. So maybe?EII: Ethics of Time (R+ into T-, or Fi into Ni). Humanists are some of the most forgiving people out there, but this forgiveness is selfish, used more by Humanists to prove themselves that they are good people indeed. This can lead to all sorts of disasters, mostly being taken advantaged of. What the society needs EIIs to do is to apply this forgiveness to people’s past, to help them realize what went wrong in the person’s past, and how to plot a correcting action. For example, how to solve people’s childhood traumas.
Why do you ask, anyways?
It usually helps when typingAfter watching these, do you still think ESI? Just curious.
https://m.youtube.com/@MaritsaDarman/videos
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I will watch, and let you know.It usually helps when typing
https://m.youtube.com/@MaritsaDarman/videos
@Tallmo
I watched some of the videos (the ones about cooking don't help much, except that she's proud of her cooking ability, which might indicate sensing, but it shouldn't be the only factor). I don't know, to be honest. I can see R/Fi lead, I can also see IEI-N. She seems enneagram 2w1 or 1w2 which might make her a bit different than many IEIs, who are 4s. So, an IEI that has qualities of rationality (such as a tendnecy to orderliness and following rules, respect for others) is a possibility.
It's also possible for a person to not act according to their social mission, just according to their lead function. In which case the person is fullfilling a more personal or individual mission, without their creative function (which is demontrative in model A, for the plebs <3 ) . The creative isn't valued, so a person is not naturally inclined to use it on their own, needs society to make that push and express that need.
I tend to agree with her self typing. So EII, and N subtype. At least I don't see any reason for me to challenge it. But I don't have any super strong arguments for or against, but I've known some EII-Ns personally. I don't think the cooking indicates anything, as intuitives can often be interested in it. (cooking actually involves both intuition and sensing, and also Te but it also depends how people do it.). I can understand why IEI is an option, but I prefer EII. But ESI is hard for me to see.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Fair enough.
I think it's hard for me to correctly identify female EIIs, as the ones I know irl are almost all male, and I think the type is fairly rare anyways. There are alot of self-typed EIIs in typology communities, but none of the female "EIIs" seem like that type. They more often seem like betas with an interest in psychology and relationships. That's not to put Maritsa in the same boat, btw, but to point out that I actually have few, if any examples of female EII, so that type is hard to identify (there is one woman on Victor Gulenko's personal channel, that he has typed EII, though, but one example is still very limited).
I have a relatively large MBTI group that I am one of the organisers of (around 1000 members). The most common type is EII, and I think many are mistyped IEI. The real EII that I have encountered irl were quite uninterested in socionics, even very critical. The same applied to the ILI to a lesser extend.
Do you have a link to that one?
I would say I don’t have Se in my ego block. Judging from how tender soft fragile and caring I am as a parent and comparing that to the typical ESI who is demanding directive harsh critical disciplinarian I don’t use any fair amount of Se nor would I ever want to especially on my child who I want to develop into her own person.
Also not clean near and exacting like ESI are.
“ DREISERKAs make for strict, but loving mothers. They require obedience of their children and teach them discipline and order. The physical health of children, the completion of homework, and their friendships will always be under control and strict guidance of DREISERKA. She must know, with whom the child associates, where he went and when he will return. In short, she will try to make it so the intentions of all relatives are transparent and their actions and behaviors are known.”
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 01-30-2023 at 08:21 PM.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think it's this one
https://youtu.be/OQb36aGhZ80
I think she is an IEI anyway. Edit: oh nevermind that was the result she got
After doing some detective work: The man on the upper right hand (I really have to think what is left and what is right... my perception is so allocentric) corner is an EII
https://youtu.be/ePB8H2QbIfM
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Cooking is not type related
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
It helps befor you make judgments to read a lot
She also worries about the health of her relatives, and therefore, diligently writes into her notebook, not only culinary recipes, but also herbal recipes as well as names of most important medicines, which can prove useful for various illnesses.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...NFj-by-Beskova
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWJQrEHZKdM&t
No, it's not Jennifer Parker. I know she got IEI. The woman in the link (I can't upload it directly as a video to this site) is typed EII.
It's from Gulenko's personal channel, not the SHS channel.
I am skeptical of such a statement. How do we know it's not? Do we even have enough data to make such a conclusion? No, we don't.
I think you are basing yourself on stereotypes too much. I am LSI, have Ne polr according to model A, and I am not a rational disciplinarian. If I had kids, I would want them to grow into their own person too. I don't think all ESIs are like that.
Again, I don't see al ESIs this way. This a general description, imo those tend to be very well...general. And it's fairly old material.Also not clean near and exacting like ESI are.
“ DREISERKAs make for strict, but loving mothers. They require obedience of their children and teach them discipline and order. The physical health of children, the completion of homework, and their friendships will always be under control and strict guidance of DREISERKA. She must know, with whom the child associates, where he went and when he will return. In short, she will try to make it so the intentions of all relatives are transparent and their actions and behaviors are known.”
Thanks for the tip, but I am not unfamiliar with reading wikisocion. I just don't consider it to be a great source of information.
Look, I am not saying I believe you are ESI absolutely. And this is not something I want to debate forever. I just don't see EII over ESI, per se. Or even EII over IEI. I don't consider myself sufficiently trained in diagnostic methods, then again, I'm probably a bit ahead of most people on this who try to type themselves by using no method at all (reading wikisocion articles and seeing which descriptions you relate your self-image to best isn't a method, it's fantasy, sorry).
Think what you want. I don't think you're open to feedback, and that's fine - you didn't ask for mine. But I felt like stating my impressions anyways, after all, it's fair game since you've given your opinion of my type and just about everyone on here at some point (without their agreement).
Oh I haven't seen that one yet. She reminds me a little bit of the actress Anna Karina, who I think is an IEI.
https://youtu.be/QVfZ5sG41n0
You must not have had an ESI mother
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Then stop making judgments and start reading or observing people more
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Her nonverbal behavior is like my sister who I would type EII as well.
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