Your typing of forum members

[Nightmare]

Yeah, it was nigh impossible to actually make that last, thus I was proving a point to her. I know that my Ni really isn't as strong as someone with creative Ni. I know that if and when I think about "the future", it's something tangible and realistic. And near and attainable. Not some grand, metaphorical scheme or goal. Everything is clear, and I use a short term strategy to get there.

And yeah, I do have strong Te and I can use it, but it's not valued in the same sense that a Gamma would care about it. My Gamma Dad cares a great deal about his plans, and about being efficient to the point that it's basically his whole personality. And I don't hold grudges like the Gammas tend to do when they are wronged. My Dad has a few of those.

And the Fi is basically non existent with me. I've already explained this numerous times, and am not gonna go into that. I just find it hard to grasp and experience, being my PoLR. Which leads onto my next point, below:

All ESI I have spoken to have been, from experience, difficult to deal with, since they lead with my PoLR. EII tend to conflict because of the (Ne) creative > Se creative, and their PoLR is my base function and Unvalued Role is their creative function. We have no valued functions in common. We're opposites poles in thinking, and how we approach life. Nothing they do makes sense to me in anyway. Especially the whole not sorting problems out actively thing. The Delta mentality.

At the end of the day, if an ExI is hitting me in the wrong places, it won't work out. Nothing will, and we shall continue to conflict. Nothing will change.

I think that's a closed-minded perspective of it, not gonna lie. I have known SLEs that don't know Socionics, more commonly than SLEs who do know of it...and of all those I have known, the main differences between the ones informed about Socionics vs oblivious to it, is that SLEs who don't know about it tend to be much more receptive to becoming more educated and mature in Fi growth. I can't help but to notice the potential Socionics has to stunt peoples' growth. Not that SLEs aren't pains in the ass either way. Stubborn, the lot of them. "SLE, youre going to hit your head on that tree..." SLE argues with it, then hits head on tree...except the tree is some relationship issue. Then SLE be like "oh shit, how do i fix this"

[Sanguine Miasma]

Wow. Ok

you are such an imbecile. Crazy. And a bad typer.

How dare you.

OK. This made me wonder if IEIs disintegrate like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTRT794IQBg

guy having endless self-talk with their multiple personalities.

[godslave]

@Dreymagine, you didn't ask me, but I've thought about this question a lot and I think that enneatype could be determined by childhood trauma, or not.

Clearly, the individual sociotypes each seem to have an enneatype slant. SEEs slant towards e7, SLEs towards e8, IEIs towards e4, and so on.
Assuming that enneatype is determined by childhood trauma would also imply that sociotype is also determined by childhood trauma, which I think is a harder case to make.

In any case, the links between enneatype and sociotype are unproven, so until someone can do more research, I don't think that we can answer the answer definitively.

That would also imply that people who didn't have childhood trauma have neither an Enneatype nor a Sociotype.

[Manatroid92]

I think that's a closed-minded perspective of it, not gonna lie. I have known SLEs that don't know Socionics, more commonly than SLEs who do know of it...and of all those I have known, the main differences between the ones informed about Socionics vs oblivious to it, is that SLEs who don't know about it tend to be much more receptive to becoming more educated and mature in Fi growth. I can't help but to notice the potential Socionics has to stunt peoples' growth. Not that SLEs aren't pains in the ass either way. Stubborn, the lot of them. "SLE, youre going to hit your head on that tree..." SLE argues with it, then hits head on tree...except the tree is some relationship issue. Then SLE be like "oh shit, how do i fix this"

I feel this must partly be because, the Vulnerable function being what it is (something you're 'supposed' to use in society but you have very little control/agency over), people will instinctively realize that their weaknesses are getting in the way of them trying to get by in life (whether that's regarding career advancement, building relationships with others, etc.). An SLE doesn't know what "Fi" or "Se" even is, but they know that the IEE they weirdly have an interest in is trying to enlighten them on how to connect with people.

if you sit that SLE down and teach them Socionics, they either:

a) realise *why* they find it hard to build and maintain deep relationships, and can further develop themselves while forgiving themselves for not 'understanding Fi',
OR
b) they realise connecting to people is all bull-honkey and they should just keep shooting their Se-jizz everywhere.

Thing is that self-reflection is a hard thing, and it's even harder if you've never been raised to realise it's important. I'm not ragging on SLEs or Fi itself here either, because anyone one type can grow up to be a real terrible person if circumstances allow. I think it's important that people know about Socionics, because any methodology that can get people to understand how others 'work' is important. But like anything, it should come with the stipulation that you should use it responsibly.

[Nightmare]

Yeah, I don't know... I've read that enneagram types are determined by upbringing, particularly childhood trauma. What do you think of that?

Re: type and trauma
I grew up with a brother. We experienced the same exact situations, yet, responded differently to them. After what I have seen, you can't convince me that people aren't a) born with certain personalities, and b) those personalities affect how you react to trauma. Enneagram is 100% absolutely wrong about that part imo.

HOWEVER...
We did grow up *sensitive* to different experiences based on our personalities. I hate/have 0 tolerance for manipulation and I avoid manipulative people, actually I go into fight mode and feel the urge to "pull the snake out of the grass" and get their games out into the open; my brother, on the other hand, learned you have to manipulate to navigate the cruelties in the world. As an extrovert, he was sensitive to the social isolation we were kept in; I, on the other hand, was comfortable with it and was already a hermit anyway. Different sensitivities. Thus, it can easily SEEM as if those experiences shaped our personalities. In reality, it's not so linear...it's more like a weird circular loop.

[Sanguine Miasma]

I can see traces that lead me to become an enneagram head type. My mother was very fond of seeing me as a scientist and I received books and instruments but I was never forced. I would not call it a trauma, lol. It was quite adequate response.

[Missmessy]

Is it okay to type people here visually but using other systems ( not socionics) ?

[Nightmare]

Is it okay to type people here visually but using other systems ( not socionics) ?

I like that you were respectful enough to ask

[Aster]

OK. This made me wonder if IEIs disintegrate like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTRT794IQBg

guy having endless self-talk with their multiple personalities.

sounds about right

[Nightmare]

@Dreymagine btw I will also note that I relate the most to type 8's childhood scenarios rather than type 6's.

[persimmonism]

@Dreymagine btw I will also note that I relate the most to type 8's childhood scenarios rather than type 6's.

I don't know why your enneagram thread is closed, but I wanted to say that I am very interested in whether or not you finally decide on being an 8. The reason being that my mother is also an ESI-Se, with tritype 468, and I always thought she must be a 6, but an attachment type for her seems downright wrong. I am inclined to say type 8, but I simple don't understand if ESI's can be 8's.. it must be so, though.

Also, about reactivity, I enjoyed this podcast episode about it: https://youtu.be/oguxDfRY8GU

[Nightmare]

I don't know why your enneagram thread is closed, but I wanted to say that I am very interested in whether or not you finally decide on being an 8. The reason being that my mother is also an ESI-Se, with tritype 468, and I always thought she must be a 6, but an attachment type for her seems downright wrong. I am inclined to say type 8, but I simple don't understand if ESI's can be 8's.. it must be so, though.

Also, about reactivity, I enjoyed this podcast episode about it: https://youtu.be/oguxDfRY8GU

I closed it because my now-ex said it was just going to come off to people as me seeking approval of my type from others. I should probably reopen it and ignore him...but yes, I do type as 8 core at this point.

EDIT:
Tbh, the video was a little bit too Ne for me Goes over lots of different theoretical possibilities without much other aim.

EDIT:
Btw, I think Lagertha from Vikings is probably ESI 8 as well.

[persimmonism]

I closed it because my now-ex said it was just going to come off to people as me seeking approval of my type from others. I should probably reopen it and ignore him...but yes, I do type as 8 core at this point.

EDIT:
Tbh, the video was a little bit too Ne for me Goes over lots of different theoretical possibilities without much other aim.

EDIT:
Btw, I think Lagertha from Vikings is probably ESI 8 as well.

Your ex is weird for that :/

The main thing i drew from the video is the stance of negativity that reactive types automatically take. I hadn't realized that that's what it was all about. (Whereas competency is neutral and positive outlook, well, positive)

[Nightmare]

Your ex is weird for that :/

Good to know.

[blaecaedre]

@bb brb bb seems like a Fe type

[moonmoony]

@moonmoony

SEI-Fe instead of ESE-Si

I searched about it and asked the person who typed me and you're right, SEI-Fe

[moonmoony]

@Missmessy

I see 7 but not as a core , maybe 3 makes sense more ?

37X , most likely 1 or 9 fix

[Missmessy]

@Missmessy

I see 7 but not as a core , maybe 3 makes sense more ?

37X , most likely 1 or 9 fix

I'm curious to know why ?

Edit: I understand your viewpoint , I will search more

[Missmessy]

@Missmessy

I see 7 but not as a core , maybe 3 makes sense more ?

37X , most likely 1 or 9 fix

I searched about it and I went back to 7 but with a 3 fix instead of 2
I'll explain it more on chat

[Nightmare]

@bb brb bb seems like a Fe type

Ehh? I don't see it. Why?

[blaecaedre]

Ehh? I don't see it. Why?

frequent use of smileys, emojis, gifs etc. are more common for Fe types, who are more intererested in creating a desirable emotional atmosphere - she has it on her profile too
she also frequently greets newcomers such, which a Fi type is somewhat less likely to do, especially an introverted one (the least outwardly expressive ethical types) - they have a different way of creating emotional comfort for their interlocutor; @Adam Strange communicates more like a Fi type (or at least a Fi valuer), for example
as she seems quite touchy about differing opinions about her type, I will stop discussing it (more usual for non-valued Ne). hopefully she'll try verifying her type by IRL intertypes

[Missmessy]

Seriously, It's strange that @Alive types himself as LII

Ni wants to stick to one thing only and Ni users can refuse any alternatives

Alive says this phrase a lot ( I've heard about that million times in the Arab typology community even before I get into socionics )

But let's see how Alive behaves sometimes:

When I told him about Enneagram 7 Sx and how they have a lot of similarities with how he describes IEIs ( and most of 7 Sx are IXE ) , he refused to listen and said that he doesn't care about Enneagram

If he was Ne ego , he would have gladly welcomed the idea and considered it a possible further explanation for the behaviour we were talking about, but he refused to do so and said that he don't care about Enneagram and that romantic dreamers are only IEI and that's it

That's not an expected behaviour from Ne ego type, especially LII-C who is more focused on creative function ( Ne in LII case )

Also, he hates it when I use a lot of systems that are not socionics

Again : unexpected behaviour from Ne ego type

[Alive]

I personally have studied enneagram and other systems years ago and simply decided that they were inferior to socionics. there's in my opinion no point to argue with these system and I think it's silly that other types suddenly become dreamers just because they are 7. regarding

he refused to listen and said that he doesn't care about Enneagram

https://www.wikisocion.net/en/index...._Vera_Borisova

The Creative subtype is not interested in anything besides that which is truly interesting to him – in the sense that he ignores everything else (passively or actively). Including people (for Creative subtypes of logical types: "those people are like wooden poles"). May actively renounce something if it hinders him personally.

no offense to you, but you seem like someone that has discovered socionics recently and I can see you are a beginner. you randomly mix different systems and I just don't relate to the things you write or I have contemplated them years ago. you look up a couple of functions and suddenly you're an expert. there's a huge gap in our understanding of types. there's no point for me to discuss typings with you yet you involve me in discussions all the time. it's the same with Coeruleum Blue that I haven't interacted with in months yet he mentions me constantly. you are both IEI-N

[Alive]

this website generally puzzles me more and more. a third of the people here are apparently sensing types according to DarkAngelFireWolf69. tallmo, northstar, missmessy, poptart, blaecaedre, lady lotus, avveroes etc. all just sensing types that happen to be interested in a non-pragmatic esoteric theory that deals with vague patterns that are barely observable. it's so absurd. I guess that's why no sensing type gives a shit about typology when I mention it to them irl, they are all here disussing it in-depth

[Missmessy]

I personally have studied enneagram and other systems years ago and simply decided that they were inferior to socionics. there's in my opinion no point to argue with these system and I think it's silly that other types suddenly become dreamers just because they are 7. regarding

he refused to listen and said that he doesn't care about Enneagram

https://www.wikisocion.net/en/index...._Vera_Borisova

The Creative subtype is not interested in anything besides that which is truly interesting to him – in the sense that he ignores everything else (passively or actively). Including people (for Creative subtypes of logical types: "those people are like wooden poles"). May actively renounce something if it hinders him personally.

no offense to you, but you seem like someone that has discovered socionics recently and I can see you are a beginner. you randomly mix different systems and I just don't relate to the things you write or I have contemplated them years ago. you look up a couple of functions and suddenly you're an expert. there's a huge gap in our understanding of types. there's no point for me to discuss typings with you yet you involve me in discussions all the time. it's the same with Coeruleum Blue that I haven't interacted with in months yet he mentions me constantly. you are both IEI-N

Dreaming is not only IEI's thing , you can find dreaming in many other types

What you said about C Subtype was the first thing that came to my mind when I wrote what I wrote but I ignored it because C Subtypes as you know focus so much on their Creative function but I haven't ever seen Ne in the way you process information or even in your behaviors to say you're LII-C

I've known Socionics for a whole year, it's not long but it was enough to at least understand it, especially since I can easily understand huge amounts of information and learn things more quickly than other people

Anyway, unlike you I don't consider myself as an expert in any way and I don't type people unless I'm sure of what I'm doing

And don't talk about functions when you don't use them at typing, you only talk about your understanding of them ( without using them ) , that's a shield to protect yourself and to evade when someone criticize you

Mixing systems together doesn't mean I know nothing in Socionics, it means that I want a more broad view of things

Forums are places for open discussions if you don't know, why are you here if you don't want to have discussions ? You IEI-H

[Missmessy]

this website generally puzzles me more and more. a third of the people here are apparently sensing types according to DarkAngelFireWolf69. tallmo, northstar, missmessy, poptart, blaecaedre, lady lotus, avveroes etc. all just sensing types that happen to be interested in a non-pragmatic esoteric theory that deals with vague patterns that are barely observable. it's so absurd. I guess that's why no sensing type gives a shit about typology when I mention it to them irl, they are all here disussing it in-depth

Why won't I be here ?

I ate food, finished studying my lessons, earned some money , went to my classrooms , chatted with my friends and my family, planned what to do tomorrow

I don't have anything to do now , why shouldn't I be here? just because it's a theory?

Do you think that people sit all the time using only ego functions and don't care about their weak functions that they value? If you turned on your " hypothetical Ne creative " a little bit and expanded your horizons, you'd know what I'm doing here

Socionics is clearer than any other typology system, The most direct and simple system for me

It doesn't seem fancy or strange to me, so it didn't take me long to understand how it works.

[Alive]

I don't really think you grasp how pragmatic sensing types are. I actually think most people here don't understand that at all.

[Missmessy]

I don't really think you grasp how pragmatic sensing types are. I actually think most people here don't understand that at all.

I'm not trying to act like a sensor lol
That's my daily life outside this forum

[FreelancePoliceman]

I don't really think you grasp how pragmatic sensing types are. I actually think most people here don't understand that at all.

Could you enlighten us then?

[Alive]

Could you enlighten us then?

the problem with typology in general is that no matter what I write, someone will spin it in the other way around. "sensing types focus mainly on the past, some IEI: "oh that's what I do, I must be a sensing type.", next point: sensing types focus on the nearest guaranteed prospect", some IEI with suggestive Se: oh that's what I do too!"


I had a discussion with an ESI a while ago who was the only sensing type on a meetup with roughly 20 people. He simply told me: "I don't get anything out of this typology thing. it has no concrete, pragmatic benefit for me, so why should I invest my time into it". the people who browse this site spend hours analysing a theory that gives no profit and doesn't even guarantee that you can apply it on a regular bases. it is the exact opposite of what sensing is.

[lavos]

That would also imply that people who didn't have childhood trauma have neither an Enneatype nor a Sociotype.

It can be a "trauma", sort of a micro-trauma. Something that made a person acquire a certain motivation. I'm pretty sure Socionics types are not acquired though.

[Missmessy]

the problem with typology in general is that no matter what I write, someone will spin it in the other way around. "sensing types focus mainly on the past, some IEI: "oh that's what I do, I must be a sensing type.", next point: sensing types focus on the nearest guaranteed prospect", some IEI with suggestive Se: oh that's what I do too!"


I had a discussion with an ESI a while ago who was the only sensing type on a meetup with roughly 20 people. He simply told me: "I don't get anything out of this typology thing. it has no concrete, pragmatic benefit for me, so why should I invest my time into it". the people who browse this site spend hours analysing a theory that gives no profit and doesn't even guarantee that you can apply it on a regular bases. it is the exact opposite of what sensing is.

You didn't explain it though , you directed it to a nonesense criticism that nobody asked about

[Missmessy]

I don't get anything out of this typology thing. it has no concrete, pragmatic benefit for me, so why should I invest my time into it

That's because of Te not because of Sensing functions

My ILI dad said the same thing to me when we discussed about typology

[lavos]

Alive, I think you might be DC, not C. You have a very domineering way of asserting things that is more easily attributable to Dominant subtype. Regarding your Socionics type, the only other type I could perhaps see besides LII-Ti, is SEI (unsure of subtype as I haven't seen your appereance). A few times we've interacted I have gotten the feeling that you don't enjoy being criticized at all, and that might point to the Te PoLR of SEI. Also I called you lazy one time and you tried to shame me, and this struck me as perhaps LIE-SEI conflict. I hope you don't take me wrong and are not offended by this opinion.

ETA: to top it off, I think Missmessy might be LSE-Si and thus your supervisor.

[Too deep]

@Alive did you got typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69 ? If yes which type he gave you ?

[Coeruleum Blue]

@Alive did you got typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69 ? If yes which type he gave you ?

Alive doesn't use DarkAngelFireWolf69. You see, everyone in the world except Alive is a normalizing normie and Alive is trying to propose a revolutionary new system of socionics where everyone besides him is a useless daydreaming IEI who doesn't know about anything except lala land and doesn't do anything for any reason except because they want to be famous after they bite the dust and then can't actually use their fame to any benefit to themselves.

[Coeruleum Blue]

@Alive did you got typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69 ? If yes which type he gave you ?

Probably something like SEI that makes Alive not feel like the genius overlord of the forums.

[Coeruleum Blue]

Could you enlighten us then?

No. You are a ditzy messy IEI and the secrets of Alive's rigorous Ti intellect will be forever beyond your comprehension. Now enjoy some phantasmagorical daydreams and buy our deluxe Tarot set at 50% off.

[two]

this website generally puzzles me more and more. a third of the people here are apparently sensing types according to DarkAngelFireWolf69. tallmo, northstar, missmessy, poptart, blaecaedre, lady lotus, avveroes etc. all just sensing types that happen to be interested in a non-pragmatic esoteric theory that deals with vague patterns that are barely observable. it's so absurd. I guess that's why no sensing type gives a shit about typology when I mention it to them irl, they are all here disussing it in-depth

I just want to correct it a little by saying not all of those people are typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69 so it’s not right to say according to DarkAngelFireWolf69, maybe more fitting to say according to them

I don’t really care much about that though, but assuming that duals make people happy and complete (I’m just going along this thought, I’m just assuming), it’s kinda funny that we are all here aside from somewhere else! We should all leave this forum I’d say! Since we all now know we are intuitives, let’s just go to typical sensor places, stay there 100% of the time. The sensors need us to make their lives complete yet here we are! I’m sure because of their low intuition they need help putting two and two together, and we also need help because we are very weak. PersonallY, I want to get near clean sensor homebodies. I want them to infect me with their cleanliness. This would make the world a better place

What are the typical sensor places? I think pottery studio is one, gardening? Those both sound great to me actually, I want to meet a gardener and teach me how to grow plants and cut leaves

[Claudius]

Someone here once suggested LII for me, which I don't see, but I'm open to other type suggestions.

And to add to the discussion about types into Socionics, any type can discover the system, but some are more likely to stick around. Introverts in general are more likely to be not just here but online in general, so that's probably the biggest divider.