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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
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    so unethical..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chakram View Post
    Sol and Sky are actually the same person.
    Which reminds me, for a hot second [a while back], I thought Beautiful Sky and K4M were the same person > the seemingly impenetrable mental rigidity/dogged perspective and unyielding attempts at labeling and categorizing others based on their own subjective logic/ethics; it seemed like good strategy to have conflictors agree with and "confirm" each other's typings (and both of them 'accurately' type the other according to their respective 'systems'), buttressed by the notion that two completely opposite cognitive perspectives have reached objectively obvious conclusions. lol Not to mention, we've seen her but K4M refuses to subject himself to VI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    A few times here at this board people stated that my is better than usual for a LII. I can't judge myself how well developed my is. Can it be that my is better because both my parents are valuing types?
    I certainly think upbringing and environment can have an impact > my mom is a SEE and she activated the fuck out of my Fi growing up--it's still subpar overall, but I'm very amenable and agreeable to Fi as a function even if I don't have natural facility. It doesn't seem so completely removed from my awareness.

    But besides all that, having "better" Fe makes sense if you are LII-Ne; according to the contact/inert subtype system, a LII-Ne (contact) would have accentuated creative, role, suggestive and demonstrative IEs. I've come to the conclusion that I'm most likely LIE-Ni, which would enhance my Ni, Fe, (IEI)/ Ne, Fi (IEE), making me look like some sort of erstaz NF and that makes a lot of sense for me, as far as how I may be perceived and even the career choices I've made in my life.

    @golden, as an actual EIE, do I come off as an identical to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo View Post
    @golden, as an actual EIE, do I come off as an identical to you?
    I haven’t read many of your posts. You seem to communicate in a dry, hammering way, so my instinct is no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo View Post
    I certainly think upbringing and environment can have an impact > my mom is a SEE and she activated the fuck out of my Fi growing up--it's still subpar overall, but I'm very amenable and agreeable to Fi as a function even if I don't have natural facility. It doesn't seem so completely removed from my awareness.

    But besides all that, having "better" Fe makes sense if you are LII-Ne; according to the contact/inert subtype system, a LII-Ne (contact) would have accentuated creative, role, suggestive and demonstrative IEs. I've come to the conclusion that I'm most likely LIE-Ni, which would enhance my Ni, Fe, (IEI)/ Ne, Fi (IEE), making me look like some sort of erstaz NF and that makes a lot of sense for me, as far as how I may be perceived and even the career choices I've made in my life.

    @golden, as an actual EIE, do I come off as an identical to you?
    A few days ago I was actually thinking that you might be an EIE. My reason is that from some of the posts you have made in this thread recently you seem to agree with many self typings in a very complimenting, positive manner. This of course makes you seem more knowledgeable to these people and they become more trusting of you in the process. This isn't to say you aren't knowledgeable, simply that you are good at manipulating internal perceptions of you. Your descriptions of other people also tends to be self relating, how these people "feel" or come across to you in an ethical manner. I could be entirely wrong, these are just my observations.

    Instead of EIE, have you thought of IEI or ILI? You have the Ni subtype in your TIM but my last point about your priority on self relational typing makes me think you could be an introvert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    I haven’t read many of your posts. You seem to communicate in a dry, hammering way, so my instinct is no.
    I'd agree, because I don't think me and Alonzo are the same type either. However what I will say is that EIE can still communicate in that way if we think it will create the emotional atmosphere we want to create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo View Post
    But besides all that, having "better" Fe makes sense if you are LII-Ne; according to the contact/inert subtype system, a LII-Ne (contact) would have accentuated creative, role, suggestive and demonstrative IEs. I've come to the conclusion that I'm most likely LIE-Ni, which would enhance my Ni, Fe, (IEI)/ Ne, Fi (IEE), making me look like some sort of erstaz NF and that makes a lot of sense for me, as far as how I may be perceived and even the career choices I've made in my life.
    Yeah, based on the Socionics theory the contact subtypes of logical base types have stronger ethical functions, and the contact subtypes of ethical base types have stronger logical functions.

    I type myself LII-Ne because I think I have -demonstrative + -vulnerable and a better than LII no subtype or LII-Ti.
    ...and I was really bad with when I was a kid.

    The only other option for me would be ILE, but Troll Nr 007 thinks that is my creative function.

    There is the theory that you can tell your own base function because it's a part of you, you are unable to distance yourself from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Yeah, based on the Socionics theory the contact subtypes of logical base types have stronger ethical functions, and the contact subtypes of ethical base types have stronger logical functions.

    I type myself LII-Ne because I think I have -demonstrative + -vulnerable and a better than LII no subtype or LII-Ti.
    ...and I was really bad with when I was a kid.

    The only other option for me would be ILE, but Troll Nr 007 thinks that is my creative function.

    There is the theory that you can tell your own base function because it's a part of you, you are unable to distance yourself from it.
    Why not EII? Just curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Yeah, based on the Socionics theory the contact subtypes of logical base types have stronger ethical functions, and the contact subtypes of ethical base types have stronger logical functions.

    I type myself LII-Ne because I think I have -demonstrative + -vulnerable and a better than LII no subtype or LII-Ti.
    ...and I was really bad with when I was a kid.

    The only other option for me would be ILE, but Troll Nr 007 thinks that is my creative function.

    There is the theory that you can tell your own base function because it's a part of you, you are unable to distance yourself from it.
    Your Ni seems to be uber strong. Do not confuse it with Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Your Ni seems to be uber strong.
    Ok, does my asympthotically approach 5D?

    Well, IxI-Ni and xII-Ne have 4+D , based on Socionics theory.

    Do you think I'm base?
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    I'd agree, because I don't think me and Alonzo are the same type either. However what I will say is that EIE can still communicate in that way if we think it will create the emotional atmosphere we want to create.
    Yes, it’s the difference between a deliberate rhetorical strategy and a more flat, unmodulated communication style. Fe dominant can hit over the head, but I don’t even experience that with Alonzo. It’s more rat-a-tat with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Yes, it’s the difference between a deliberate rhetorical strategy and a more flat, unmodulated communication style. Fe dominant can hit over the head, but I don’t even experience that with Alonzo. It’s more rat-a-tat with him.
    Rat-a-tat? The fuck's that mean lol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    Rat-a-tat? The fuck's that mean lol?
    It’s a nice way of saying he’s boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Yes, its the difference between a deliberate rhetorical strategy and a more flat, unmodulated communication style. Fe dominant can hit over the head, but I dont even experience that with Alonzo. Its more rat-a-tat with him.
    you should expect lesser of reason from F types especially from F dominant, which have the weakest T by Jung
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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Yes, it’s the difference between a deliberate rhetorical strategy and a more flat, unmodulated communication style. Fe dominant can hit over the head, but I don’t even experience that with Alonzo. It’s more rat-a-tat with him.
    Superficialy, with his bolding and red text and sizes and whatnot, he seems like one of the most expressive person on here. Then again, seems can be just that.
    His posts make me dizzy so I barely read them, the way he writes reminds me of emotional turmoil just by its aspect. By "the way he writes", I'm refering to bolding and stuff, not content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    you should expect lesser of reason from F types especially from F dominant, which have the weakest T by Jung
    Haha fuck off ya wee trollop, everything I do is planned

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Its a nice way of saying hes boring.

    Sorry, Alonzo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    you should expect lesser of reason from F types especially from F dominant, which have the weakest T by Jung
    F dominants are perfectly capable of learning and using proper critical thinking, it's not their natural preference, but it's a skill that can be learned like any other.

    So one should not universally expect F dominants to be incapable of proper reasoning.

    That's just a narrow-minded perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    Why not EII? Just curious
    Do I seem like a base type to you?

    I'm a math, science, technology and gadget nerd.

    I value , even I'm probably only average in using it.

    Thank you for participating in the quest of finding my type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberiat View Post
    F dominants are perfectly capable of learning and using proper critical thinking, it's not their natural preference, but it's a skill that can be learned like any other.

    So one should not universally expect F dominants to be incapable of proper reasoning.

    That's just a narrow-minded perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Do I seem like a base type to you?

    I'm a math, science, technology and gadget nerd.

    I value , even I'm probably only average in using it.

    Thank you for participating in the quest of finding my type.
    Why can't an EII be interested in math, science and technology? Are you really that closed minded?

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    You're right that EII can be interested in math and technology.

    Ok, I provide you with an example why I think I'm better at using then

    Place a technical device I've never seen before in front of me and I'll tell you how it works and what can be done with it. That's probably one of my best skills I have.
    If it's broken I know how to fix it.

    I'm not that confident about my relations to other people.

    My main desire is to understand the world i'm living in. Does this sound EII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    My main desire is to understand the world i'm living in. Does this sound EII?
    sounds like Ti HA lol.

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    Mirror, mirror, queentiger.

    I'm your Socionics mirror type? Because strong + HA = IEI
    Or do you see that my is not that strong / good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Mirror, mirror, queentiger.

    I'm your Socionics mirror type? Because strong + HA = IEI
    Or do you see that my is not that strong / good?
    I don't really subscribe to the type relation shit - seems to deterministic for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    You're right that EII can be interested in math and technology.

    Ok, I provide you with an example why I think I'm better at using then

    Place a technical device I've never seen before in front of me and I'll tell you how it works and what can be done with it. That's probably one of my best skills I have.
    If it's broken I know how to fix it.

    I'm not that confident about my relations to other people.

    My main desire is to understand the world i'm living in. Does this sound EII?
    Excluding the part about being especially interested in technology, this sounds similar to me, although for me, there is such a thing as too much "hard science" - i.e. where it becomes too cold to me (essentially, for example, thinking that there is only so much I care to know about the Big Bang, quasars etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    I don't really subscribe to the type relation shit - seems to deterministic for me.
    Ok then, thanks for the delightful conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    Excluding the part about being especially interested in technology, this sounds similar to me, although for me, there is such a thing as too much "hard science" - i.e. where it becomes too cold to me (essentially, for example, thinking that there is only so much I care to know about the Big Bang, quasars etc.).
    Hmm, ok,
    I don't think that science can be too "hard" for me.

    I'm totally fine with developing electronic circuits as working field. I wrote algorithms that converted images formats and I did some research in data compression algorithms.
    I guess that's the reason why I'm better than an untrained person in spotting patterns in data structures. Data compression is basically looking for patterns in datasets and describe data in a shorter representation.

    I don't know if many EII would be interested in such special fields of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Hmm, ok,
    I don't think that science can be too "hard" for me.

    I'm totally fine with developing electronic circuits as working field. I wrote algorithms that converted images formats and I did some research in data compression algorithms.
    I guess that's the reason why I'm better than an untrained person in spotting patterns in data structures. Data compression is basically looking for patterns in datasets and describe data in a shorter representation.

    I don't know if many EII would be interested in such special fields of work.
    "Such special fields of work" seems very arrogant btw.

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    Probably it seems arrogant to you... ok, how would you phrase an activity that estimated only 1 out of 1000 people do?
    Or I do have an incompatble value system to choose words. English is not my native language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Probably it seems arrogant to you... ok, how would you phrase an activity that estimated only 1 out of 1000 people do?
    It's more that it seems like you have a problem with EIIs. It's like you have a personal emotional problem with that type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    It's more that it seems like you have a problem with EIIs. It's like you have a personal emotional problem with that type.
    No, I don't have problems with EII or being an EII. Why do you think I'm EII? Provide some explanation, please.
    Is your judgement what type I could be based on pure intution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    No, I don't have problems with EII or being an EII. Why do you think I'm EII? Provide some explanation, please.
    Is your judgement what type I could be based on pure intution?
    I don't have a judgement on your type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chakram View Post
    A few days ago I was actually thinking that you might be an EIE. My reason is that from some of the posts you have made in this thread recently you seem to agree with many self typings in a very complimenting, positive manner. This of course makes you seem more knowledgeable to these people and they become more trusting of you in the process. This isn't to say you aren't knowledgeable, simply that you are good at manipulating internal perceptions of you. Your descriptions of other people also tends to be self relating, how these people "feel" or come across to you in an ethical manner. I could be entirely wrong, these are just my observations.

    Instead of EIE, have you thought of IEI or ILI? You have the Ni subtype in your TIM but my last point about your priority on self relational typing makes me think you could be an introvert.
    Thanks for the feedback.

    For one, we must remember that everyone has 1D Fe, at the very least, which is predicated upon experiences, and so theoretically all one would require is to have had previous experiences using Fe in a way that was effective enough to achieve some end; that doesn't necessarily connote 4D Fe.

    Secondly, any and all seemingly Fe "agreeableness" from me is rooted in Fi and my admiration for certain (transformational) aspects of Fe and valuing its utility, especially as a means to buttress Te output, in getting people to do what's needed/whatever I require. Generally speaking, I like to be "pleasant" but as evidenced by this thread, whenever my subjective values are crossed, I couldn't give a 2 stroke fuck about maintaining/respecting/elevating the emotional atmosphere, "ambient vibes" be damned. I value constructive criticism, especially when rendered in an evaluative and applicable "Te" fashion; but critiques rendered in "bad faith" may be returned in "bad faith," subject to when/if I feel like it, without any regard for what others may think or feel about it.

    Furthermore, I've already spoken to this several times in this thread but it bears repeating > I know for a fact that I'm not a Fe lead/valuer because I don't experience emotional contagion and I believe that this is one of the most effective ways of determining who "values" Fe or not. Fe is dynamic in that it constantly picks up the "continuous excitations in people's psychological states," which I read as affective empathy, being able to feel/take on the emotions/moods of others/the environment by way of contagion (a particular set of mirror neurons oriented towards adjusting to social feedback).

    Even Dario Nardi, in his research subjecting the 16 types to EEG brain scans, found that ENTJs have low activity in the regions of the brain where mirror neurons generally affect behavioral mimicry and prompt people to adapt to emotionally induced social feedback like shame or embarrassment. Fi, on the other hand, is more concerned with closing psychological distances via cognitive empathy/"mind reading" and placing one's self into another's shoes and even though I can still struggle with this, it is the only way I access empathy channels.

    Lastly, on dichotomy tests in the past, I've often scored about 65-75% extroversion and so LIE-Ni would make more sense than ILI-Te; I'm definitely not Fe-PoLR and I don't have trash Se. The "self relational" typings I did were based on ITR (from my vantage point) and so "vibes" and "feelings" about other types is an integral aspect of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefilias View Post
    Superficialy, with his bolding and red text and sizes and whatnot, he seems like one of the most expressive person on here. Then again, seems can be just that.
    His posts make me dizzy so I barely read them, the way he writes reminds me of emotional turmoil just by its aspect. By "the way he writes", I'm refering to bolding and stuff, not content.
    Nah. That's not done for Fe "expressiveness" but Se "impact"; the bold is done for emphasis in a hammering/avalanching way, not to impart any emotional cue. Similarly with Te, people conflate Fe and Se. For *IEs, Se is nothing but the volitional will, the energetic force that supports and buttresses Te or Fe aims > for Fe, the end result can be "liveliness" and with Te, more like staccato gun fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo View Post
    Thanks for the feedback.

    For one, we must remember that everyone has 1D Fe, at the very least, which is predicated upon experiences, and so theoretically all one would require is to have had previous experiences using Fe in a way that was effective enough to achieve some end; that doesn't necessarily connote 4D Fe.

    Secondly, any and all seemingly Fe "agreeableness" from me is rooted in Fi and my admiration for certain (transformational) aspects of Fe and valuing its utility, especially as a means to buttress Te output, in getting people to do what's needed/whatever I require. Generally speaking, I like to be "pleasant" but as evidenced by this thread, whenever my subjective values are crossed, I couldn't give a 2 stroke fuck about maintaining/respecting/elevating the emotional atmosphere, "ambient vibes" be damned. I value constructive criticism, especially when rendered in an evaluative and applicable "Te" fashion; but critiques rendered in "bad faith" may be returned in "bad faith," subject to when/if I feel like it, without any regard for what others may think or feel about it.

    Furthermore, I've already spoken to this several times in this thread but it bears repeating > I know for a fact that I'm not a Fe lead/valuer because I don't experience emotional contagion and I believe that this is one of the most effective ways of determining who "values" Fe or not. Fe is dynamic in that it constantly picks up the "continuous excitations in people's psychological states," which I read as affective empathy, being able to feel/take on the emotions/moods of others/the environment by way of contagion (a particular set of mirror neurons oriented towards adjusting to social feedback).

    Even Dario Nardi, in his research subjecting the 16 types to EEG brain scans, found that ENTJs have low activity in the regions of the brain where mirror neurons generally affect behavioral mimicry and prompt people to adapt to emotionally induced social feedback like shame or embarrassment. Fi, on the other hand, is more concerned with closing psychological distances via cognitive empathy/"mind reading" and placing one's self into another's shoes and even though I can still struggle with this, it is the only way I access empathy channels.

    Lastly, on dichotomy tests in the past, I've often scored about 65-75% extroversion and so LIE-Ni would make more sense than ILI-Te; I'm definitely not Fe-PoLR and I don't have trash Se. The "self relational" typings I did were based on ITR (from my vantage point) and so "vibes" and "feelings" about other types is an integral aspect of that.



    Nah. That's not done for Fe "expressiveness" but Se "impact"; the bold is done for emphasis in a hammering/avalanching way, not to impart any emotional cue. Similarly with Te, people conflate Fe and Se. For *IEs, Se is nothing but the volitional will, the energetic force that supports and buttresses Te or Fe aims > for Fe, the end result can be "liveliness" and with Te, more like staccato gun fire.

    Basically all of what you put LOL.

    And then when you compare yourself to me, it is obvious that I'm way better at Fe ahah (no offence lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo View Post
    For one, we must remember that everyone has 1D Fe, at the very least, which is predicated upon experiences, and so theoretically all one would require is to have had previous experiences using Fe in a way that was effective enough to achieve some end; that doesn't necessarily connote 4D Fe.
    This isn't something that should be taken into account when typing over the internet, or in real life, it makes things messier than needed. All we are able to do is observe what and how others say things, and they should more than likely be relying on their strong and valued functions to communicate and operate within the world.

    Obviously you know yourself better than anyone and so I'm not going to comment on the middle of your post, I'll just take your word for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alonzo View Post
    Lastly, on dichotomy tests in the past, I've often scored about 65-75% extroversion and so LIE-Ni would make more sense than ILI-Te; I'm definitely not Fe-PoLR and I don't have trash Se. The "self relational" typings I did were based on ITR (from my vantage point) and so "vibes" and "feelings" about other types is an integral aspect of that.
    I don't think a dichotomy test should be the deciding factor for this but again you seem to know yourself well enough.

    Ok, now you do me, I'm curious if you've formed any conclusion or ideas.

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