I like Singu too much for him to be gamma NT lol.
I like Singu too much for him to be gamma NT lol.
I think he’s IEI lol. He just likes butting in on more “logical” convo whenever he can. Read his posts carefully and he copies/repeats technical terminology used by others a lot more than he posits original ideas himself like a logician (esp gamma NT) would (although he does try to integrate and pull lots of info he finds together himself).
@BFGDoomer Fi being systematic and categorical is an ancient song from MBTI land.
I guess “like” is not the right word, since I quite like some of the gamma NTs on this site (and in my IRL). A better way to put it would be I feel an extra sense of compatibility and an uncanny appreciation for him, when he’s being high octave and woke.
When Singu calls people retarded I feel like I’ve come home.
Singu is probably Normalizing subtype. I don't know his type, but I agree some sort of Ni type seems likely.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
ITT we fight over who gets to be duals with @Singu, who doesn’t believe in duals.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
I feel like, for example, squark or peteronfire’s ways of thinking are pretty different from Singu’s...
For one thing, they are more conclusive and their conclusions are clearly and explicitly supported. Singu’s thinking tends to use a lot of heuristics, or rather he seems to want to try to rely entirely on heuristic thinking to come to conclusions. To me this is a feature of Ti HA.
I agree with IEI for him. I can't see anything else actually.
Same.
Although I honestly never read his posts. I think I've read more Bertrand posts than Singu posts overall. But from the little I've gathered so far, I E I is sound.
His posts have the rabbit-holey quality of a rabbit-hole that doesn't house a wonderland at the end, but a solid bed of rocks that make me regret going down in the first place because ow my bum is bleeding and i think i have a concussion now as well.
1/10, needs more hatters, madness, floating cat heads and tea parties.
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― Clarice Lispector
New Addition: Vers
I have not seen fit to revise any typings. I am sure on all of these. The list just keeps getting bigger and bigger. New Additions are on the way.
ILE-Ti: Myst, Transkar, LuchoisLurking, JWC3, MadCity, Troll NR 007, Falsehope
ILE-Ne: Geneiouws, Lagerdemon, Cubazoan, Nickelslick, Hitta
ESE-Fi: Chipsnunderwear, Suz, Inumbra, Subteigh, Kalinoche, FlutteringShyx, Mrrrmaid
ESE-Si: Mu4, Wacey, Xerx, Esaman, KrigtheViking, Hacim, Little Timmy
LII-Ti: N0ki/Zap, Muddy, Reactance, User Name, Bertrand
LII-Ne: Kimuchi/kimu, Zero, Vers
SEI-Si: johannesbloem, chriscorey, the whole English
SEI-Fe: BnD, crazedrat, dinky, Neokortex, Pallas Athena
SLE-Se: herzy, mercutio, ananke, idontgiveaf
SLE-Ti: agee, kill4me
LSI-Se: Spider, Missbabydoll, Pole, Aramas
LSI-Ti: Rocky
IEI-Fe: Allie, Pink, SisofNight, Cassandra, Fay, Summer Princess
IEI-Ni: Starfall/Fox, Glam, Elina, Strrrng, Velvet, Penny Dreadful
EIE-Fe: Cuivienen
EIE-Ni: Gilly, Darya, Bain, Sarinana
SEE-Se: Woofwoofl, Handjob, Number9Large
SEE-Fi: Lucas, Aquagraph, Chae, Vogue Paris, Totalize, Schwiftyrickity
LIE-Ni: Ineffable, Moonraker, Avebury
LIE-Te: Ashton, FDG, Expat, Invisiblehim, Narc, Anglas
ESI-Se: DiscoJoe, EJArendee, Jet City Woman, MisterNi, Scarletluxx, Amber/Rosewood, Strangeling
ESI-Fi: Lungs, Golden, Ouronis, Radio, Suedehead, Galen, Kore/Persephone, Delilah, the Locust, Saiorse
ILI-Ni: Scapegrace, Korpsey, Krieger, Cpig, InvisibleJim
ILI-Te: Marie, Mensupermateriam, Aestrivex, Crispy, Soupman
SLI-Si: Words, Stray, Scarper, LuminousLynx
SLI-Te: kim, daft punk, directorabbie, pookie, Jessica, may, supremacist
LSE-Te: Absurd, JimBean
LSE-Si: William, JackOliverAaron/Echidna1000, BurningIce, Timmy, Smilingeyes, Laurie’s Crusader, Viktor
IEE-Ne: Elizathomason, UDP, Sapphire, Syrup De Gem, Pinoline, Azbestos, Nanashi
IEE-Fi: Finale, Airman/airborne, Adam Strange, Prince Andrei, Niffer
EII-Ne: Aylen, Epheme, Wasp
EII-Fi: maritsa/beautiful sky, zero, mikemex, IBTL, contra, sol, suintal/silke, tela/arachne, Olimpia, thehotelambush, Yaaroslav
Ya I made the list as ESE again. I'm not, but still amusing.
@Kill4Me Te polr; IEI lol
Tut, you can't exclude someone from a certain quadra/type just because you don't like them. That's not how things work around here, right?
Help.
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― Clarice Lispector
Singu obv tries rlly hard to believe in sth which is Ni hidden agenda
I know LSI who really supports theory of evolution over religion but at the same time it is like religion for him to a point of fundamentalism. (I don't really get invested in those issues. Whatever floats your boat...)
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@Sol Why don't you type as LII? Your intuition isn't weak and you can very well hold your own logically. The fact that you are on an esoteric psychology website and have been for quite some time, demonstrates your preference for intuition over sensing. You are very categorical in your thinking and are very insistent on one model being most correct and logical. Your focus on heretical thinking made me think LSI territory, but I'm skeptical because LSI don't frequent websites like this in the first place. Neither do LSEs. This is looking at the larger picture of people's behavior. Your intuition and curiousity would draw you toward a theory like this, as opposed to more practical, real world applications.
I think there is way too much hairsplitting on this forum between interested and active members.
seems tense atmosphere
It's weaker than my S region in Jung's types sense. It's generally lesser conscious than my S functions, harder to use, to study, more mistakes than with S.
It's possibly to develop with practice some skills better than average for S types and to do more efforts in weak regions to get better than average results. You may notice such particular cases which remind more common for N types, but it's not from general my functions strength. I deal with the typology for 15 years, during which I type people regularly and when it's IRL I watch how they behave. I do mistakes still, change opinions and progress further.
You may compare with a situation when a human of F type trains in particular calculations (due to his job or fan, for example) and achieves levels higher than average for F types in this. You talk on the forum about those calculations and notice his level reminds T types in this.
I never doubted to be S or J type. Initial doubts were about T/F, but this was chosen quickly after I've began to read typology books and to do tests.
Only E/I was hard for me to understand and values were not evident. It took several monthes of trying to type other people near me to understand the types on practice, the difference of people having them and with me, to check how IR theory fits to my possible types.
My IR fit to LSE better than to other types. I checked with my IRL experience. It's also possibly to look at my types examples - they take into account my IR with those people and in case of other my type there should be systematic mistake. If I have base Ti - there should be most base Fe women among typed as Fi, for example. I'm attracted soully to typed as base Fi ones there, while base Fe are annoying, neutral or fake for me in their emotions.
> The fact that you are on an esoteric psychology website and have been for quite some time, demonstrates your preference for intuition over sensing.
To have interests in N regions does not mean having strong N function. People may even work in weak regions, not just get a fan. Personality typologies relate to Ne, Socionics with IR to Fi also, - those are my valued functions, what rises my interest to this.
You may meet S types among psychologists and esoterics. Type is a balance, it does not limit what you may do and what you like, but more shows what is easier for you and more pleasant in case of values. So you may meet _more_ people of some types in regions related to their strong functions, but you'll find there significant quantity of those having that region as weak. For example actors with T types - there are a lot of them, but should be lesser than of F types, especially among best actors.
> You are very categorical in your thinking and are very insistent on one model being most correct and logical.
I insist on usage of basics as they have better theoretical basis to trust and are checked by my experience. Any additions should be checked objectively in experiments, or subjectively but to check myself in details all bs to find the truth there would need to much of efforts, in which I feel no use anyway as I'm satisfied by what I have already. It's not a game to use the doubtful. It's from Te which wants objectivity, practical check and usefullness, but not speculative restrictions of Ti. I do not use or reject significant part of Augustinavichiute's texts and some Jung's secondary interpretations because of this, but not trust to those "holly texts" blindly like Ti would do and how some people may surfacely understand my approach with "new". And I'm not naive F type to trust to anything without good reasonable basis. I was skeptical to Socionics until after monthes of reading and trying I've found it works on me as should to the moment understanding of own type, - I experimented with the typology, but had no serious relation to it.
> Your focus on heretical thinking made me think LSI territory
Inquisition watches you
LS* should not be often on obscurity psychology sites. Like in psychology itself, but happens. Among T-S types only SLI are expected to be attracted in quantity with suggestive Ne and its shallow interest to new, to understanding of hiden in people.
You may notice what I do differs from what is common here. I'm trying to bring practical usage to all that. To reject doubtful theory as I do not play, to create lists to help others to understand the typology as real practice, has made IR test so people could to see how IR theory works and to check own types with it. My approach is practical - not mind plays of N types, not flood of F types. I want to help people to use Socionics, to see in it what I see myself in my experience, to use it like I can.
> Neither do LSEs.
LII are inclinded to theoretical part much and do not try to reduce the theory to the trusted minimum. When a theory does not work at them - they instead of improving own skills prefer to develop new theory which rationalizes why that did not work (subtypes). When they know the existent theory, - they feel boring and develop new one for own fan, despite it may to have much worse basis. LII are theoretical and creative in this, but not in practical and objective part which I prefer.
> This is looking at the larger picture of people's behavior.
I have the experience in the typology what makes me easier to notice the general picture about types and to see better the nuances, than novices or lesser interested ones.
> Your intuition and curiousity would draw you toward a theory like this, as opposed to more practical, real world applications.
It's not just a theory when you'd used it for so long and much as you'd seen how it helps to prognose peoples behavior.
Despite I get also the fan, I find Socionics as very useful for some practical applications. I plan to use it for choosing a wife, for example.
And mb will help with this to other ones sometimes. I'm sure Socionics may improve the general relations in pairs when people will prefer good IR for meetings and developing relations. Also they may need advices how to deal with such pairs better, to use more completely what good IR give. Is it not practical to help yourself and other people to make happier pairs? The other types application relates to self improvement and near, - what is also psychological region and would allow people to be happier and more effective with rising of weak regions, where duality pairs would help. This 2nd part needs large research which mb sometimes will be done by others. While popular meeting service which uses the types can be done if I'll not be lazy or distracted to other. I may need additional education for this to do officially, to develop typing methods and communication practice, to get good IR marriage the see the nuances on myself - so it's not easy and quick even if I'll decide to mess with that. But I like the idea to help people to make loving pairs and this may bring better money than average. To be T-S type means to see good possible "real world applications".
@Sol, this is a fan:
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The word you’re looking for is “fun”
LII's have cosmic connection
Body movement analysis VI by Gulenko from a video. I definitely VI myself as ILE. That loosely swinging neck torso part while speaking. 100 % match.
I must say that he has interesting notes.
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Sorry, pal, I can't type you. Your video is too short.
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Ok, now I got it what you mean... I'm unaware of my body movements either when I talk and my focus is not on my body.
Ha, I just clicked it. When I mute the sound it's more obvious lol, sound off and it's funny - immediately I'd think, "heh, I bet this guy is an ILE 7" even if I wasn't familiar with you. With sound, because of language it's less apparent as voice doesn't keep up with movements.
Edit: There's another kind of ILE though, where the Ne is apparent but with a different kind of energy, not so much all over the place with fidgeting. Stronger Se/Si I think maybe in them. . . more stillness and control, a bit more presence even though still obviously an intuitive.
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Xaiviay is a good example of IEI-Fe 9w1 sx/so. IEI 9w1s are routinely mistyped SEI.
Socionics authors mistake a key type 9 defense mechanism with Si-dom because they come from the expendable one-dimensional, one typology perspective.
The same happens with enneagram authors who come from a closed universe one typology perspective. Russ Hudson’s real type is LII-Ti 9w1 sp/sx.
“I want the following word: splendor, splendor is fruit in all its succulence, fruit without sadness. I want vast distances. My savage intuition of myself.”
― Clarice Lispector