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    Bertrand isn't an intentional troll, he's just an unintentional troll.

    I think a lot of the "BS" that he writes is just him being deliberately obscure and convoluted so that he won't be criticized for his positions and be proven wrong by muddling issues.

    So this whole thing basically stems from being a narcissist who can't admit that he's wrong, who thinks that he's a misunderstood genius, not that any of this stems from being a "type" or from any of the "functions". He just piles on lies on top of lies and BS on top of BS, which increasingly become even more convoluted and incoherent.

    A lot of the stuff Bertrand writes just goes beyond his own intellectual capabilities. A stupid person talking about complex issues will sound muddled, incoherent and convoluted. He's a compensating narcissist. He will attempt to justify this by saying he doesn't value "Ti" or whatever, but he just doesn't value intelligence. Some may mistake his convoluted style of writing as being "deep" or "intellectual". But it's strictly anti-intellectual.

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    I do value Ti though... I also feel bad because I have an ILI instructor I like, but I wonder if she thinks I'm a narcissist because we often debate and miscommunicate. I think Fe polr types think everything is emotional manipulation when its like they are legit cognitive processes that shouldn't be discounted a priori

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    I think i might be SLI. The problem is i'm very good at rationalizing almost every perspective and to create groundworks for every socionics position in relation to the IE/IR. I 'play' certain types to see how they fit and discover modes of thinking that correspond with types. I must have RP'ed almost every type in the socion by now
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    Sorry for my late answer.
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    It might be, though I like T so much that I am okay with Te also.
    My take on this: It's the part of supplemental seeking in ourselves. We're all trying to improve the immature aspects of us.
    If the weakness of a person is thinking we are trying to improve this aspect by interacting with people whose strength is thinking
    and if the weakness of a person is value judgement... you already know the conclusion, I guess.

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    What about F looks desirable?
    Understanding the motivations of other people. This is a weakness of myself.
    It seems to me it's a missing part of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Understanding the motivations of other people. This is a weakness of myself.
    It seems to me it's a missing part of me.
    This response helped me, because I had a college boyfriend I type LII and remained friends with. Apart from mutual immaturity, one of the things I struggled with was what I thought was his misconstrual of my intentions. I hadn’t thought of it quite the way you put it, and I don’t think he’d have been able to know that was a weakness of his at the time. It feels less personal and painful to examine it in the terms you used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGDoomer View Post
    I think i might be SLI. The problem is i'm very good at rationalizing almost every perspective and to create groundworks for every socionics position in relation to the IE/IR. I 'play' certain types to see how they fit and discover modes of thinking that correspond with types. I must have RP'ed almost every type in the socion by now
    For some reason I thought the username was inspired by Per Mertesacker at first, are you a football fan and arsenal fan in particular ?

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    @golden.
    is quite personal detached, so you might receive an answer that isn't very adapted to your value system.

    I wasn't that skilled at reading the intentions of other people either, but I recognized the emotions other persons expressed quite well... but the intentions of other people was like a foreign language to me.

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    This is getting somewhere interesting. I think when you see LII jumping to conclusions about people you will realize that they are entering into dangerous territory. It is like their Ne is for getting ideas and not so much to take new perspectives (EII will fall into territory of taking way too many naive perspectives). Remaining objective when you are primarily subjective can be a challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hag 2 View Post
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    whats interesting is how this relates to the idea of "Benefit shift". the idea of that iirc is when we are "good" ("on a high"; not really like a "mood", but rather being in a good headspace), we act like our Benefactor. i took this idea further and speculated to myself "when we are "bad" (bad headspace) we act like our Beneficiary".

    you said LII jumping to conclusion is sign of "bad", it just so happens LII's Beneficiary is SLI (is there any more simple/closeminded type than SLI? fuck you if you want to be an idiot and argue yes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    @golden.
    is quite personal detached, so you might receive an answer that isn't very adapted to your value system.

    I wasn't that skilled at reading the intentions of other people either, but I recognized the emotions other persons expressed quite well... but the intentions of other people was like a foreign language to me.
    This is really interesting, thank you for sharing this.

    I have observed with LII, they sometimes read too much into people's intentions. My father is LII, he usually has this habit of doing "you did this thing because you secretly have ulterior motives. I know it and you can't convince me otherwise." Then if I explain myself he doesn't listen. He does however, respond well to forceful emotions. I think he understands people's emotions if they're obvious enough. Otherwise he struggles with it. I didn't think this was something a lot of LIIs experienced...
    "My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post
    This is really interesting, thank you for sharing this.

    I have observed with LII, they sometimes read too much into people's intentions. My father is LII, he usually has this habit of doing "you did this thing because you secretly have ulterior motives. I know it and you can't convince me otherwise." Then if I explain myself he doesn't listen.
    That isn't typical LII behavior. Sounds more like ESI on the face of it, tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    That isn't typical LII behavior. Sounds more like ESI on the face of it, tbh.
    I'm not too sure, I keep changing on my typing for him. He's too much of an enigma for me to pin down...
    "My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUltimateDJ391 View Post
    For some reason I thought the username was inspired by Per Mertesacker at first, are you a football fan and arsenal fan in particular ?
    No, it's a videogame-inspired name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    That isn't typical LII behavior. Sounds more like ESI on the face of it, tbh.
    Typical or not, I did experience something like it with the LII mentioned above. I might not phrase it quite like pano did, because he didn’t speak so bluntly. But I could easily see from his face (where his eyes went) and words what he was thinking. Usually he thought I wanted something more from him than I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post
    I have observed with LII, they sometimes read too much into people's intentions.
    Maybe, but I can only speak for myself. I'm usually not judgemental about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post
    My father is LII, he usually has this habit of doing "you did this thing because you secretly have ulterior motives. I know it and you can't convince me otherwise."
    I doubt that this is a typical LII behavoir. I can't speak for other LII, but I value too much to consider a single cause only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post
    Then if I explain myself he doesn't listen. He does however, respond well to forceful emotions.
    Ignoring new information, settle on a final conclusion – single-minded style – doesn't seem very typical LII to me.

    On the other hand... there are emotional states in me which makes me very sensitive to emotions other people express – a negative aspect of being sensitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Typical or not, I did experience something like it with the LII mentioned above... Usually he thought I wanted something more from him than I did.
    That might be a weak point, at least at younger age for LII. Don't know for sure how close or far I'm to other people.
    In my experience it's getting better... personal growth is the key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Typical or not, I did experience something like it with the LII mentioned above. I might not phrase it quite like pano did, because he didn’t speak so bluntly. But I could easily see from his face (where his eyes went) and words what he was thinking. Usually he thought I wanted something more from him than I did.
    Sure, it's not impossible for an LII but it's ultimately stemming from Fi/Ni / a negative reaction to Fe, which of course would be more typical of other types.

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    Some good or bad behaviours might be just amplified by type, but caused by upbringing and the accumulated experiences in life.
    Seeing the type of a person as the main cause for their behaviour might be to wrong perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Maybe, but I can only speak for myself. I'm usually not judgemental about it.
    My dad isn't always like this either. He's typically chill and looks so harmless. But there are times when he can kind of view people as a threat even if we're not trying to be that way. Typically, if something offends him he tends to not say anything, just mulls it over. He's scared of conflict in a way, but what he does just makes things worse. I can usually see his reactions coming but it's a struggle for him to get along with my mom.

    I doubt that this is a typical LII behavoir. I can't speak for other LII, but I value too much to consider a single cause only.
    Uhh Idk, I don't know my dad well enough to chime in on here. He really is a very sweet man, and usually just a cinnamon roll of a person. I guess I just represented his worst moments.

    Ignoring new information, settle on a final conclusion – single-minded style – doesn't seem very typical LII to me.
    That's not his typical style either, it's probably just poor representation on my part.

    On the other hand... there are emotional states in me which makes me very sensitive to emotions other people express – a negative aspect of being sensitive.
    He's influenced by other people's emotions. His emotional reactions are subdued and I can pick up on it fairly well. My mother is an EII, it's funny because they see each other as cold and distant. My dad seems to want to be reassured by my mom, but she's totally not going to do that lol and it just seems to aggravate him more. They're an unhealthy couple. I would say my dad is a bit healthier than my mom.

    I don't live with my dad, so I don't know him well, but he seems to fit the LII profile fairly well... But I'm not committed to that being his type or anything. He seems like a rational logical type, with poor Se, I guess that's why I have him as LII.
    "My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"



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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Some good or bad behaviours might be just amplified by type, but caused by upbringing and the accumulated experiences in life.
    Seeing the type of a person as the main cause for their behaviour might be to wrong perspective.
    I completely agree with this! I've seen people say things like "I hate this one type" but imo, if they're being objective, they wouldn't say that. I can find positive qualities even in my conflictor. I have my mother as EII, but I don't think for a moment her abusive personality comes from her being an EII. She's just a terrible person, and she happens to be an EII. It doesn't really affect how I see other members of the type. If anything, it means that I should actively avoid using her behavior as a reference to type other people I may think are EIIs.
    "My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"



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    where is Bertrand's vid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillaine View Post
    where is Bertrand's vid?
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...d/page44/#1748

    Have fun. : 3

    ... is it creepy I remember the exact page/thread of this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilith iris View Post
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...d/page44/#1748

    Have fun. : 3

    ... is it creepy I remember the exact page/thread of this...
    Not creepy at all.

    I had my fingers slammed in a car door once. I remember exactly where they were at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilith iris View Post
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...d/page44/#1748

    Have fun. : 3

    ... is it creepy I remember the exact page/thread of this...
    Thanks Lilith.



    Bertrand I think IEI. I know you don't like enneagram but do you type as 4w5? or 9?

    I can definitely see why you could type as LIE though, lots of Ni coming through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Not creepy at all.

    I had my fingers slammed in a car door once. I remember exactly where they were at the time.

    not creepy, sometimes I drift off to sleep thinking about what one of the forum members types are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Not creepy at all.

    I had my fingers slammed in a car door once. I remember exactly where they were at the time.
    Silly. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post
    My dad isn't always like this either. He's typically chill and looks so harmless. But there are times when he can kind of view people as a threat even if we're not trying to be that way.
    The reason for that might be a moment of emotional imbalance.
    One drawback of being Ti-base is probably not being aware of the own emotional state. For LII it might be also a problem if they perceive their personal freedom or independence will be restricted by other people.

    I know that I've problems with emotion regulation sometimes... and in such situations I can react quite harshly...
    It's got better with maturity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pano Lou View Post
    He's influenced by other people's emotions. His emotional reactions are subdued and I can pick up on it fairly well.
    Typical Fe-suggestive... I'd say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    That isn't typical LII behavior. Sounds more like ESI on the face of it, tbh.
    Sounds like type 6 suspicion. Maybr her dad is LSI

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    I'm new but do I seem EIE? One thing about me I like to get straight to the point. No wordy explanations thank you very much. Which types are like that, or which ones can I rule out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    I'm new but do I seem EIE? One thing about me I like to get straight to the point. No wordy explanations thank you very much. Which types are like that, or which ones can I rule out?
    If you want to be typed quickly, you could fill out the typing questionnaire, choose an avatar picture, post pictures and/or videos, take one of the many Socionics tests, or you could interact with the people here for several months. Any and all of these things will bring you closer to your goal.

    In my opinion, EIE’s are one of the easier types to recognize by their expressions, and one of the slower types to arrive at a final decision about themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    I'm new but do I seem EIE? One thing about me I like to get straight to the point. No wordy explanations thank you very much. Which types are like that, or which ones can I rule out?
    We don't really have enough information, if you want opinions then you can do a questionnaire (on video, ideally). Tests are a quick but less accurate solution. Don't bother with VI.

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    I think Maritsa got her self typing right. Ti role.
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    I'm quite assured of her EII-ness
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    I agree with the two posts above.

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    @Aki has the temperament of a dominatrix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Moderator View Post
    @Aki has the temperament of a dominatrix.
    @A Moderator I'm kinda lazy, I like men doing everything for me if possible, like driving, paying, talking, taking most decisions etc. I do some housework in exchange and can manage money well. I like to help others, I may be in charge if I see incompetence or real need. I refuse to hurt ppl during sex. But I can hurt others in different ways. I don't know if that fits with such temperament.
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    dudes who joined the forum 3 years ago or lesser can't be wrong. especially when one (at least) of them does not understand own type and the other doubts in it still

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aki View Post
    @A Moderator I'm kinda lazy, I like men doing everything for me if possible, like driving, paying, talking, taking most decisions etc. I do some housework in exchange and can manage money well. I like to help others, I may be in charge if I see incompetence or real need. I refuse to hurt ppl during sex. But I can hurt others in different ways. I don't know if that fits with such temperament.
    IIRC I read a piece about SLI being the type to push their partner's buttons or cause pain in order to validate the relationship.

    Hopefully I'm not confusing this with SLE (which would make sense, since SLE is aggressor), but I certainly do not put it past Delta STs.

    In any case, I should have waited to see whether you edited your post before liking it, and your sex life is none if my business. Just thought I'd give you the impression I get. Take it with a grain of salt if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Moderator View Post
    IIRC I read a piece about SLI being the type to push their partner's buttons or cause pain in order to validate the relationship.

    Hopefully I'm not confusing this with SLE (which would make sense, since SLE is aggressor), but I certainly do not put it past Delta STs.
    Dominatrix is mostly used as part of bdsm slang, so I had to make clear that I'm not into that, in case that were the intention. Not that I care for giving any details besides it. Lol
    Then Se is about doing stuff and accomplishing and being pretty active, they are pursuers, etc, idk why that would be confused with lazy -Si comfort seeking with Ti demonstrative. I don't hurt my partners, though. I'm not romantically an aggressor. I was joking about the reference. But I can hurt some sensitivities, mostly online. I don't think I'm a dominatrix in any sense irl, tbh. Pretty much a couch potato that can be useful if its needed. For sure I don't let ppl get their way with me either, in any way. I know I can be uncomfortable for others when I decide to express my opinion. But thats not a particular Se behavior, you know.


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    The individual often criticizes others' views from a logical standpoint, picking apart statements and postulates and showing that they are logically flawed. However, he does not choose to do this excessively and does not expect that reality can be accurately expressed in a neat logical systematic anyway.
    In any case, I should have waited to see whether you edited your post before liking it, and your sex life is none if my business. Just thought I'd give you the impression I get.
    I don't care about your opinion honestly. I thought you were writing it in joking tone as I'm often joking or talking in light hearted mood in here (guess others get it different and I assume the risk, just imagine me with a smile or light laugh each time I write something, for future references).In any case I'd never expect someone using the term dominatrix as a serious appreciation of someone else temperament. However, If you were serious (as it seems) I must say its kinda insecure and passive aggressive to call someone dominatrix just because she express her opinions or doesnt agree with yours.
    My best male friend is ILE, I'm used to have friendly discussions about any topic with him, without it meaning we must agree with each other or I should change my mind or behavior to favour him. Not at all. In fact, one of the reasons we get along pretty well is that he's not very sensitive so both can be ourselves without faking anything or fearing to hurt each other all the time.
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    @Aki I didn't feel like my statement was personal.

    Don't worry about it. I should have chosen my words more carefully.
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