Your typing of forum members

[mr provocateur]

Fi by definition is not emotions but relationships guiding (like in conflicts and so on). Fe is not emotions but tendency to animate the surrounding environment or the mental landscape.

[godslave]

yes Fe is kinda fake in that it doesn't necessarily feel the way it expresses itself, but the aim is more about increasing the mood. compliments are a good way to do that for example. telling a person positive things can raise their mood and make their day better. I had an IEI tell me that when you go through your daily life, smiling at someone or wishing them a nice day can really save some people. "let's say the person had a really rough day and thinks about commiting suicide, by smiling at them you might have saved their life". it sounds silly when you think about it but there's also some truth to it. since Fi is always coupled to Te, their mode of thinking is much more professional, objective, neutral.

That's so true ! I think the impact is even more significant if the "person who had a really rough day" is also an Fe valuer ! That IEI is wise !

[Tallmo]

What if you don’t care about affecting others and you never cared about people too but you just have a lot of feelings. Is that still Fe

no. Any type has feelings. But a feeling function is a different thing.

[nifl]

What if you don’t care about affecting others and you never cared about people too but you just have a lot of feelings. Is that still Fe

Not caring about affecting others - introversion
Never cared about people - logic in general, non-valued Fi cares less about individuals and what they personally like
Having a lot of feelings - ethics
Fe is about objective, shared emotional characterization - this is good, bad etc. and expression of the appropriate emotions in relation to that
Fi is about subjective, individual emotional relation to something - i like/dislike etc. this and the consequent closening/distancing of the relation to that in accordance with the comfort/discomfort that thing gives you

[myresearch]

Alright I finished my video questionnaire

However, I spoke my native language instead of English because it's easier for me

Is it okay to upload it without translation into English and let others type me based on nonverbal signs ?

because honestly I don't trust my answers of questionnaire because my behaviours are changeable+ my answers always depends on my situation during the period of answering the questionnaire, and that's the reason why I appear in one questionnaire an intuitive, in another a sensor, in one lazy and in the other energetic (although I can say that I was very active most of my life )

It would give more accurate results with translations, but even video itself is a good material too so if you dont plan to insert any translation, just post the video imo.

[Socionics Is Not A Cult]

On video @Alive reminded me most of IEI

[myresearch]

[nifl]

@Sanguine Miasma
saw video, you seem irrational
IEX was what I thought of the most

[Aster]

@Astor

you are looking quite LSE in your pics. I can’t see you as anything else.

[Aster]

@

Astor

you are looking quite LSE in your pics. I can’t see you as anything else.

Wow. Ok

you are such an imbecile. Crazy. And a bad typer.

How dare you.

[AWellArmedCat]

@Rusal Your description of Beta fantasy worlds is definitely something I resonate with. I have a hard time not interpreting my life through the lens of fantasy, and am *very* prone to daydreaming

[AWellArmedCat]

@Tallmo Your description definitely makes me think I have valued Fe for sure. Maybe I just don't understand information elements, but I have a really hard time seeing how I could have valued Fi most of the time

[godslave]

Wow. Ok

you are such an imbecile. Crazy. And a bad typer.

How dare you.

Two days ago I thought of doing the exact same joke (quoting and making fun of myself) but I got distracted ! I guess I would have not hesitate if I was here for a little longer ( I' m still in my kinda "testing the water" phase ).

[chriscorey]

Wow. Ok

you are such an imbecile. Crazy. And a bad typer.

How dare you.

I did this on Facebook and my mom freaked out and said people would think I'm crazy. My uncle thought I was hilarious. lol

[Robert Dane Horlock]

DEAD - SLE final.

[Robert Dane Horlock]

yay dools again!

There we go. At this point it's the only type that makes sense for me. And I am sticking to it.

[nifl]

I doubt he'll type me IEI, though

[Wavebury]

I doubt he'll type me IEI, though

Never assume anything.

[Aster]

You all VI as turds

[hellohellohello]

Stirring the pot I see

[Miss Maverick]

DEAD - SLE final.

Thank you.
Rav is supervising your ass and LIE did not fit.

[Miss Maverick]

@Cat Lady Just read the text in your sig about what areas of typology you're seeking suggestions for. You obviously know yourself way better than I know you, but 6w5>6w7 seems likely to me. Sx is clearly your dominant instinct and sp 6 warmth is probably your instinctual "blindspot," so sx/so seems accurate.

Oh, thanks! Any reasons why w5 over w7, or is it more of a vibe based thing?

EDIT:
What's Sp warmth?
I swear I have a soft and warm side D: lol

[Emily]

@moonmoony

SEI-Fe instead of ESE-Si

[Miss Maverick]

Fi by definition is not emotions but relationships guiding (like in conflicts and so on). Fe is not emotions but tendency to animate the surrounding environment or the mental landscape.

Yes. Thank you, someone gets it.
Like so:
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[Miss Maverick]

With a slight tendency toward type 7's characteristic optimism and extraversion, I suspect that 6w7s are more likely to have a rose-tinted view of others and go towards them for support and relief from anxiety/insecurity. I think that's why they're called "the buddy."

With a slight tendency toward type 5's characteristic cynicism and desire to self-isolate, I suspect that 6w5s are more likely to be pessimistic about others' intentions and feel the urge to build up walls due to the fear of being hurt or taken advantage of. I think that's why they're called "the defender."

I can't see your behavior or thought patterns, but your posts give me the impression that "the defender" is a closer fit for you. Also, you seem to have type 5's drive toward competency and independence. You frequently highlight those values in your posting.

If I recall, Chestnut and Naranjo characterize sp 6s as being the "warmth" subtype. Here, lemme find an online explanation...

"The anxiety of the Six blends with the self-preservation instinct to make fear and insecurity a theme for this cautious subtype. To feel safe, they build strong alliances and relationships with others. They are sincerely affectionate and warm-hearted in their interactions with others. They repress anger and are hesitant to share opinions, preferring to be cautious than risk mistakes."

I could be wrong, but this ^^ doesn't seem like you at all, hence my guess that it's last in your IV stacking.

Yeah, that sounds about right then...although I am skeptical of those type descriptions. Like of course I would be cynical after 24 or so years of abuse? Idk why they use that to differentiate.

[Miss Maverick]

@Dreymagine
What about when you know someone well?

[Miss Maverick]

Idk, I am always the one guiding the relationships in my life. So much so, that it kind of felt weird to simply ask, "so then what do you suggest [we do]?" the other day. That just...doesn't happen. I wasn't even asking because I didn't know, I was asking just to hear the other person's side. I was thinking I was going to have to point out the flaws in the suggestion and why it wouldn't work.

[Adam Strange]

Yeah, I don't know... I've read that enneagram types are determined by upbringing, particularly childhood trauma. What do you think of that?

@Dreymagine, you didn't ask me, but I've thought about this question a lot and I think that enneatype could be determined by childhood trauma, or not.

Clearly, the individual sociotypes each seem to have an enneatype slant. SEEs slant towards e7, SLEs towards e8, IEIs towards e4, and so on.
Assuming that enneatype is determined by childhood trauma would also imply that sociotype is also determined by childhood trauma, which I think is a harder case to make.

In any case, the links between enneatype and sociotype are unproven, so until someone can do more research, I don't think that we can answer the answer definitively.

[Robert Dane Horlock]

Thank you.
Rav is supervising your ass and LIE did not fit.

Yeah, it was nigh impossible to actually make that last, thus I was proving a point to her. I know that my Ni really isn't as strong as someone with creative Ni. I know that if and when I think about "the future", it's something tangible and realistic. And near and attainable. Not some grand, metaphorical scheme or goal. Everything is clear, and I use a short term strategy to get there.

And yeah, I do have strong Te and I can use it, but it's not valued in the same sense that a Gamma would care about it. My Gamma Dad cares a great deal about his plans, and about being efficient to the point that it's basically his whole personality. And I don't hold grudges like the Gammas tend to do when they are wronged. My Dad has a few of those.

And the Fi is basically non existent with me. I've already explained this numerous times, and am not gonna go into that. I just find it hard to grasp and experience, being my PoLR. Which leads onto my next point, below:

All ESI I have spoken to have been, from experience, difficult to deal with, since they lead with my PoLR. EII tend to conflict because of the (Ne) creative > Se creative, and their PoLR is my base function and Unvalued Role is their creative function. We have no valued functions in common. We're opposites poles in thinking, and how we approach life. Nothing they do makes sense to me in anyway. Especially the whole not sorting problems out actively thing. The Delta mentality.

At the end of the day, if an ExI is hitting me in the wrong places, it won't work out. Nothing will, and we shall continue to conflict. Nothing will change.

[Miss Maverick]

Yeah, it was nigh impossible to actually make that last, thus I was proving a point to her. I know that my Ni really isn't as strong as someone with creative Ni. I know that if and when I think about "the future", it's something tangible and realistic. And near and attainable. Not some grand, metaphorical scheme or goal. Everything is clear, and I use a short term strategy to get there.

And yeah, I do have strong Te and I can use it, but it's not valued in the same sense that a Gamma would care about it. My Gamma Dad cares a great deal about his plans, and about being efficient to the point that it's basically his whole personality. And I don't hold grudges like the Gammas tend to do when they are wronged. My Dad has a few of those.

And the Fi is basically non existent with me. I've already explained this numerous times, and am not gonna go into that. I just find it hard to grasp and experience, being my PoLR. Which leads onto my next point, below:

All ESI I have spoken to have been, from experience, difficult to deal with, since they lead with my PoLR. EII tend to conflict because of the (Ne) creative > Se creative, and their PoLR is my base function and Unvalued Role is their creative function. We have no valued functions in common. We're opposites poles in thinking, and how we approach life. Nothing they do makes sense to me in anyway. Especially the whole not sorting problems out actively thing. The Delta mentality.

At the end of the day, if an ExI is hitting me in the wrong places, it won't work out. Nothing will, and we shall continue to conflict. Nothing will change.

I think that's a closed-minded perspective of it, not gonna lie. I have known SLEs that don't know Socionics, more commonly than SLEs who do know of it...and of all those I have known, the main differences between the ones informed about Socionics vs oblivious to it, is that SLEs who don't know about it tend to be much more receptive to becoming more educated and mature in Fi growth. I can't help but to notice the potential Socionics has to stunt peoples' growth. Not that SLEs aren't pains in the ass either way. Stubborn, the lot of them. "SLE, youre going to hit your head on that tree..." SLE argues with it, then hits head on tree...except the tree is some relationship issue. Then SLE be like "oh shit, how do i fix this"

[mr provocateur]

Wow. Ok

you are such an imbecile. Crazy. And a bad typer.

How dare you.

OK. This made me wonder if IEIs disintegrate like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTRT794IQBg

guy having endless self-talk with their multiple personalities.

[godslave]

@Dreymagine, you didn't ask me, but I've thought about this question a lot and I think that enneatype could be determined by childhood trauma, or not.

Clearly, the individual sociotypes each seem to have an enneatype slant. SEEs slant towards e7, SLEs towards e8, IEIs towards e4, and so on.
Assuming that enneatype is determined by childhood trauma would also imply that sociotype is also determined by childhood trauma, which I think is a harder case to make.

In any case, the links between enneatype and sociotype are unproven, so until someone can do more research, I don't think that we can answer the answer definitively.

That would also imply that people who didn't have childhood trauma have neither an Enneatype nor a Sociotype.

[Manatroid92]

I think that's a closed-minded perspective of it, not gonna lie. I have known SLEs that don't know Socionics, more commonly than SLEs who do know of it...and of all those I have known, the main differences between the ones informed about Socionics vs oblivious to it, is that SLEs who don't know about it tend to be much more receptive to becoming more educated and mature in Fi growth. I can't help but to notice the potential Socionics has to stunt peoples' growth. Not that SLEs aren't pains in the ass either way. Stubborn, the lot of them. "SLE, youre going to hit your head on that tree..." SLE argues with it, then hits head on tree...except the tree is some relationship issue. Then SLE be like "oh shit, how do i fix this"

I feel this must partly be because, the Vulnerable function being what it is (something you're 'supposed' to use in society but you have very little control/agency over), people will instinctively realize that their weaknesses are getting in the way of them trying to get by in life (whether that's regarding career advancement, building relationships with others, etc.). An SLE doesn't know what "Fi" or "Se" even is, but they know that the IEE they weirdly have an interest in is trying to enlighten them on how to connect with people.

if you sit that SLE down and teach them Socionics, they either:

a) realise *why* they find it hard to build and maintain deep relationships, and can further develop themselves while forgiving themselves for not 'understanding Fi',
OR
b) they realise connecting to people is all bull-honkey and they should just keep shooting their Se-jizz everywhere.

Thing is that self-reflection is a hard thing, and it's even harder if you've never been raised to realise it's important. I'm not ragging on SLEs or Fi itself here either, because anyone one type can grow up to be a real terrible person if circumstances allow. I think it's important that people know about Socionics, because any methodology that can get people to understand how others 'work' is important. But like anything, it should come with the stipulation that you should use it responsibly.

[Miss Maverick]

Yeah, I don't know... I've read that enneagram types are determined by upbringing, particularly childhood trauma. What do you think of that?

Re: type and trauma
I grew up with a brother. We experienced the same exact situations, yet, responded differently to them. After what I have seen, you can't convince me that people aren't a) born with certain personalities, and b) those personalities affect how you react to trauma. Enneagram is 100% absolutely wrong about that part imo.

HOWEVER...
We did grow up *sensitive* to different experiences based on our personalities. I hate/have 0 tolerance for manipulation and I avoid manipulative people, actually I go into fight mode and feel the urge to "pull the snake out of the grass" and get their games out into the open; my brother, on the other hand, learned you have to manipulate to navigate the cruelties in the world. As an extrovert, he was sensitive to the social isolation we were kept in; I, on the other hand, was comfortable with it and was already a hermit anyway. Different sensitivities. Thus, it can easily SEEM as if those experiences shaped our personalities. In reality, it's not so linear...it's more like a weird circular loop.

[mr provocateur]

I can see traces that lead me to become an enneagram head type. My mother was very fond of seeing me as a scientist and I received books and instruments but I was never forced. I would not call it a trauma, lol. It was quite adequate response.

[Emily]

Is it okay to type people here visually but using other systems ( not socionics) ?

[Miss Maverick]

Is it okay to type people here visually but using other systems ( not socionics) ?

I like that you were respectful enough to ask

[Aster]

OK. This made me wonder if IEIs disintegrate like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTRT794IQBg

guy having endless self-talk with their multiple personalities.

sounds about right

[Miss Maverick]

@Dreymagine btw I will also note that I relate the most to type 8's childhood scenarios rather than type 6's.

[Miss Maverick]

I don't know why your enneagram thread is closed, but I wanted to say that I am very interested in whether or not you finally decide on being an 8. The reason being that my mother is also an ESI-Se, with tritype 468, and I always thought she must be a 6, but an attachment type for her seems downright wrong. I am inclined to say type 8, but I simple don't understand if ESI's can be 8's.. it must be so, though.

Also, about reactivity, I enjoyed this podcast episode about it: https://youtu.be/oguxDfRY8GU

I closed it because my now-ex said it was just going to come off to people as me seeking approval of my type from others. I should probably reopen it and ignore him...but yes, I do type as 8 core at this point.

EDIT:
Tbh, the video was a little bit too Ne for me Goes over lots of different theoretical possibilities without much other aim.

EDIT:
Btw, I think Lagertha from Vikings is probably ESI 8 as well.