Your typing of forum members

[Beautiful sky]

wow @Fay IEI seals the deal

[huiheiwufhawriuhg]

wow @Fay IEI seals the deal

I do? How so?

[NightHawk]

SLE vibe. Interesting. I am attracted to some SLEs. I really like Mark Cuban. My best friend (cactagon on here) is Intj. His older brother is SLE and him and I sometimes speak the same language however I find it annoying how he supervises my friend. Then again maybe it's just a brotherly love thing.

As for how I come off, I have pretty bad ADHD so there is a sense of hyperactivity I have that honestly annoys some people or is misinterpreted.

So far I've been typed SLI by someone who knows about socionics who I've met a few times briefly IRL. now SLE. Also gotten SEE. MAYBE I have multiple personalities ; )

[WVBRY]

I could definitely see how you value Fi. I can get why you speak up when people offend your morals. But as a Fe base myself, I rarely feel the need to speak up unless there are potential social implications of how it might impact others because from my perception, morality is fairly relative to culture/background, etc. There are very few things that I would consider objectively morally bad/evil.

In theory, I think the same. That's why I prefer to use the term ethics rather than morals. Morals feels more like what religion would want you to accept, it feels very impersonal and anti-intellectual.

However, I do have a very strong sense of personal values.

I also like to take a philosophical approach to apprehending ethics, rather than accept whatever authorities may tell me to do. Initially, I don't think my ethical values are intellectual in nature, but philosophy helps to make sense of it all.

For example I think consequentialism, deontology and virtue ethics are all useful when appreciating the ethics behind actions. Actions need to be beneficial to people, but this can't be the only criteria because often there are conflicting interests and there are very few, if any universally beneficial actions. So you need deontology, some things should be a question of principle (the value of life is one such thing, and no, I am not talking about abortion, but about how life is valuable in a broader sense). So murder is always wrong, though obviously in some cases we might not all agree on what constitutes a murder. And the intent is important too, in murder cases for example, it often means the difference between murder and manslaughter. I can't see ethics as merely a question of fitting in with society's values.

[Beautiful sky]

DEAD SLE

[DEAD]

DEAD SLE

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[flames]

I am kindly wishing for typological suggestions once more~ in fact, I will no longer be posting or replying here for free; you must type me for more content!

[Vex]

This explains a lot.

The clinical lycanthropy is what really gets me

[Sol]

Someone type me

someone needs to give a video

[Beautiful sky]

Someone type me

Have you taken this test?

https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

Describe how it’s like being led with Ne and ignoring Ni

[Beautiful sky]

Sky... Sky...?

Have you really recommended an MBTI test that is a laughing stock even in the MBTI community? Come on.

It’s a pretty good test actually. I’ve asked a good 10 people at work to take it and they pretty much got their type right

[Goth detective]

Luckily nobody needs to type me because I am unequivocally EIE

[SGF]

Luckily nobody needs to type me because I am unequivocally EIE

you have that same look Aaron does.. funny lel

[Goth detective]

you have that same look Aaron does.. funny lel

Don't really know him

[Goth detective]

I... was thinking IEE for Thor, and somewhat noticed the similarities between Thor and Aaron as well

In that case, either he is mistyped or you are comparing apples and oranges.

[Aster]

I thought Aaron seemed beta extrovert, but maybe it’s his enneagram or something

[Goth detective]

Ah! Didn't notice this until now, haha. If you "don't really know him", how can you really say any of this in true spirit? He is pretty much seen as one of the figurehead and central IEE around here, and IEE and EIE usually aren't that far apart to "the untrained eye". I mean... it's why these relations are called "quasi-identical".

My point being that I am so sure in my own typing that if you really believe I am IEE on the basis of a comparison between me and this dude, then something is amiss, and its not my typing.

[Goth detective]

Hahaha, no, I don't even have a typing in mind for you, but even if I did I wouldn't care to reinforce it. That would be pretty ridiculous considering that I've hardly seen you post here, and I've not interacted with you anywhere else. Hence, not much information to go off of. I was simply stating that you reminded me of another poster here, who happens to be IEE.

Ahh, fair enough. Sorry to be all blunt and callous in my responses, lol.

[The Reality Denialist]

youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=zitemiq21CU

Very brief typing vid I did a little while back

Yeah that is not IEE. Seems like clear EIE. Dunno what to pin down as in DCNH D or C mb D because of verbosity.

[Tallmo]

youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=zitemiq21CU

Very brief typing vid I did a little while back

I would say EIE-Creative subtype. I know a guy who is IEI Creative and for a few seconds you kindof seemed similar to him. But that's to be expected when comparing mirrors of C subtype.

[Goth detective]

I would say EIE-Creative subtype. I know a guy who is IEI Creative and for a few seconds you kindof seemed similar to him. But that's to be expected when comparing mirrors of C subtype.

Yes, I'm a Creative subtype, and Dominant is my second choice, so both of u were on point

[Goth detective]

IEI or EIE sounds fine

(I didn't see Tallmo's response before posting this...so yeah I think there is something to the IEI impression too I guess).

I've considered IEI as well, but I have obvious bold Extroverted elements.

[Goth detective]

@Thor Mkbr: The main similarity between you and Aaron is that you guys are both kinda flamboyant but what you express and talk about are very different. You guys are both 7w8. What is your tritype? Your response in shotgunfinger's thread seemed VERY Fe... I can't see Aaron saying anything like that.

Hi, I am EIE-Ni 3w4 Creative with a dash of harmonizing mixed it.

Hiiii brother mine ~

Mm, I am very flamboyant, that is true. My tri is 7w8-4w3-8w7

[Goth detective]

That's the same tritype as Aaron in the same order with the same wings and I bet he's between dominant and creative subtypes too. No wonder why people felt a similar energy. Also, EIE and IEE are quasi-identicals so they can look very similar superficially but internal processing is quite different.

Lmfao, interesting. I wonder how our different IME's would manifest in an interaction given an allegedly identical tritype

[SGF]

Lmfao, interesting. I wonder how our different IME's would manifest in an interaction given an allegedly identical tritype

I like you, imo EIE fits. I like how you think.
I think Aaron may also be Beta, not sure tho.

[Goth detective]

I like you, imo EIE fits. I like how you think.
I think Aaron may also be Beta, not sure tho.

Consider me charmed.~
I shall now send you a friend request by digital carrier pigeon.

[Lolita]

Fe lead vs Fe demo have a very different “feel” to it. Fe lead tries to get others involved with them. Involved in singing together, laughing, sharing stories, etc. Fe lead wants attention on them while they’re participating with everyone else. They want group involvement.
Fe demo wants the masses to single them out and pay attention on them specifically. They want to stand out from the crowd and have attention directed at them. They make the shittiest team players even though they still have 4D Fe.


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[Northstar]

Demo function is very strong and visible but always used in service of the valued functions, it's never the point in itself.

[Goth detective]

Fe lead vs Fe demo have a very different “feel” to it. Fe lead tries to get others involved with them. Involved in singing together, laughing, sharing stories, etc. Fe lead wants attention on them while they’re participating with everyone else. They want group involvement.
Fe demo wants the masses to single them out and pay attention on them specifically. They want to stand out from the crowd and have attention directed at them. They make the shittiest team players even though they still have 4D Fe.


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What is this based on? Why would it be a core aim of Fi Creatives to have crowd attention?

[The Reality Denialist]

What is this based on? Why would it be a core aim of Fi Creatives to have crowd attention?

Yep. I mean they probably make better contactators than attention grabbers. Surely they can go over the top at times to cover up something IMO.

[Lolita]

For SEE, it’s recognition achieving what they want (Fi in service of Se). Renaldo Cristiano is a good example. He wanted to stand out as the best soccer/football player even though he’s in a team sport.

For IEE, just want attention as a distraction to themselves and distract others from productivity. They’re pointless, senseless things.


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[Lolita]

Demo function is very strong and visible but always used in service of the valued functions, it's never the point in itself.

Yes. The function often comes out in a mocking, negative manifestation because it’s meant to demonstrate how inferior it is to the creative function.


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[Goth detective]

For SEE, it’s recognition achieving what they want (Fi in service of Se). Renaldo Cristiano is a good example. He wanted to stand out as the best soccer/football player even though he’s in a team sport.

For IEE, just want attention as a distraction to themselves and distract others from productivity. They’re pointless, senseless things.


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Again, a lot of this is conjecture and you originally said "Attention from the masses" which I don't understand how you are linking that to valued Fi. Achieving what one wants for an SEE must be for the sake of achievement in the Se sense. Their goals are not based in Fe.
People *dont* value their demonstrative.

[Goth detective]

Yep. I mean they probably make better contactators than attention grabbers. Surely they can go over the top at times to cover up something IMO.

Yes agreed. It's never for the sake affecting the general public as an end goal

[Goth detective]

There are SEE on here who joke about wanting attention, along with IEE, ESE, and EIE. It's almost like wanting attention is just a base thing that most humans crave.

Gulenko description of SEE from wikisocion:


Filatova:


Gulenko on IEE


Filatova on IEE


Yeah, ExFx is generally just seen as "needing attention", it's not just an Fe thing.

You are missing my point.

It's about WHO they want attention FROM. Fi valuers want to connect with individuals as an end goal, Fe valuers are about the audience or masses as the end goal.

[Goth detective]

Also I dont care who says what on a forum. People can say whatever they like, I'm going by theory

[Goth detective]

Did you read the descriptions? "Is able to connect with spectators and students, and is ready to play with their attention". So that still fits even going by your theory, since spectators and students are an audience.

Otherwise, SEE, IEE, and other Fi valuers wouldn't be able to be performers or pop stars and the like.



And ok. There's a lot of misinformation on the forums so I can understand this. However, I literally quoted descriptions of types with the functions from people who were literally trained by Aushra, though.

I *never* said they cannot, I said it isnt their goal. It's not integral to their sense of self and values, they dont do it to that *end*.
It also doesn't say how they connect with students, it might as well be on personal, one on one basis and not as a crowd. Yes, many Fi creatives can be pop stars and deploy their demo to convincingly play that role, but they arent in it for the aim of playing with audiences for its own sake.

[Chthonic Daydream]

I don't get how people see so many similarities between Thor and Aaron? They are both musician rock-stars iirc but that's where similarities end.

Thor is a baroque travelling performer-bard who riles up people with flamboyant tales of long-lost Love and pains that are yet to come. He dashes through the woods of this forum and radiates a completely different pinkish/violet aura of warmth even when angry, something about poise I guess.

Aaron is the magician-harlequin of the Circus that turns into a Horror Show at night and instead of rabbits pulls out bird intestines out of children's mouths, traumatising them and their parents, idk. That stuff is still hilarious to me simply in how shocking the imagery of his quips is, I kinda like it. irlol effect 10/10
He is a bit more of a wildcard and he doesn't even have a color to his radiance, instead it's the whole rainbow prism.

I don't necessarily favour one above the other btw, i love you both (), but to me they are clearly different types. What makes them look very similar are the enneagram fix and an emphasis on Creative subtype in DCNH imo

[Goth detective]

What are you even arguing about at this point.



It's right here in this description. It's why I linked multiple descriptions, to give a more general idea of how Fi ExFx "plays with audiences", because they obviously do to get attention and anyone who says otherwise is a dilettante.

I dont know why you involved yourself in this argument if you're not going to actually interact with the original point that was disputed and instead change it to the thing you want to argue instead. I'm done with this waste of time.

[Goth detective]

It's an open forum where literally anyone can share information to attempt to bring structure.

My points were in response to this point mainly:

Not Fe demo, though that does play a part in playing audiences. But if you really want me to comment on Fe demo, then I would actually say Fi creative would be very good at playing audiences, due to Se and Ne base to give them flexibility to play with the surroundings and ideas that come to them, along with their Fe demo to play off of. A gross oversimplification, but I don't want to get into tl;dr mode

STOP PRETENDING I EVER TALKED ABOUT ABILITY. I AM TALKING ABOUT AIMS, VALUES AND GOALS JFC. HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO SAY THIS?