Telepathy and Socionics

[Tigerfadder]

Sometimes when I talk with someone, usually a specific or some specific types I get this images almost. Like the the person is saying something about a drink I can visualise the cracks in the ice in the drinks. When an other person its just some word.

From my experiences its from SEE or ILE types that can communicate in this way. Perhaps SLI and IEI.

I guess it is something with the memory and how the person is connecting words and such, tone in voice. The more experience the person have the better he can communicate the full experience? Its subtle I guess.

[para]

I can imagine that the way humans communicate in groups allows for this shared perception of very specific things, because we tend to conceptualize almost everything, and put it into categories. This allows for easier and more precise navigation of specifics, i think. This also has its backsides, though, as we tend to put too much emphasis on the words, rather than what the words are concretely pointing at, assigning our descriptors more meaning than they ought to possess.

[Tigerfadder]

Im thinking that a person needs to freely have been thinking of something for a long time, since life is a long time, to be able to communicate in a way to that somehow it is like telepathy.

[Tigerfadder]

There just aint anything on this, right

[Sol]

Sometimes when I talk with someone, usually a specific or some specific types I get this images almost. Like the the person is saying something about a drink I can visualise the cracks in the ice in the drinks.

imagination relates to N. in your form - to Ni. also F helps to tune on the opponent
non-types factors may be present too

[Chae]

Would that really be telepathy by definition?

[Tigerfadder]

"Telepathy is the purported transmission of information from one person to another without using any of our known sensory channels or physical interaction."

Maybe there are subtle cues.

[Tallmo]

It's intuition

[Skepsis]

Do you think telepathy actually exists?

[Skepsis]

Ftr, I used to think it was a part of my experience. I eventually figured out that I was not telepathic, only prone to concluding telepathy existed because I did not fully understand that correlation does not mean causation. There were more plausible explanations. Reason won, although some experiences still "seem" more than coincidental, but I accept that they were just that. Reality can be a bitter pill to swallow.

[Chae]

"Telepathy is the purported transmission of information from one person to another without using any of our known sensory channels or physical interaction."

Maybe there are subtle cues.

There is a sensory channel and physical interaction since it's a conversation. It would be telepathy if you saw the ice without them being present and/or mentioning it. Without that it's plain imagination or recalling images.

[The Reality Denialist]

Once you figure how person thinks and reacts you can feed certain kind of information to them and then you can predict reactions.

Anyways, lots of SEE's are supreme manipulators of people. I think I can keep up with them but I know lots of people who do not. They usually do it in material realm with some role in it.

[Skepsis]

There is a sensory channel and physical interaction since it's a conversation. It would be telepathy if you saw the ice without them being present and/or mentioning it. Without that it's plain imagination or recalling images.

Yes, most, if not all, supposed experiences of telepathy can be explained through naturalism. The impression that telepathy is occurring is really the reading of cues, either directly or indirectly.

[whodat]

Thoughts are in the airwaves. When you have one, most likely others around are as well. Consciousness is non local, neuroscience is proving this as well.

Facebook is able to read your thoughts as well for targeted adds. And no, thats not just crack pot, tin foil thinking, some symptoms of mental illness thinking. Scores of reddit, 4chan threads bear this out.

And no, its also not just body language, looks, cues otherwise, or intuitive guess work. Its also not strong telepathy, simply just shared thoughts. —> I should have done it this way —> your supervisor —> he should have done it that way. Or.. you have your head phones in walking down the street, you instinctly turn around, someone is close behind you wanting to pass on a bike, not possible your sense organs picked up his presence, only his attention actuated your awareness and subsequent action. ect.

Btw, Im not trying to convince nor prove. Disagree all you like it makes no difference.

[Chae]

Yes, most, if not all, supposed experiences of telepathy can be explained through naturalism. The impression that telepathy is occurring is really the reading of cues, either directly or indirectly.

Exactly, you got it. It's similar to when you know the phone will ring a second before when there's always an actual noise (vibrations, beeps) and you aren't paying attention yet. Or thinking you've seen a person and know what they say/think when you got cues from them elsewhere and your subconscious brain did the math. A deja vu follows the same principle.

[Tigerfadder]

Exactly, you got it. It's similar to when you know the phone will ring a second before when there's always an actual noise (vibrations, beeps) and you aren't paying attention yet. Or thinking you've seen a person and know what they say/think when you got cues from them elsewhere and your subconscious brain did the math. A deja vu follows the same principle.

I think there is some sort of conflict going on between people, like you say a word and it somehow imply other things. But sensory things.

[The Reality Denialist]

Skeptics meet your enemy:



Anyways, it seems to me that it is mostly about following learned pattens.

[whodat]

Mark Zuckerberg has previously made his ambitions to create a telepathy system very clear, calling it the 'ultimate communication technology.'He said: 'One day, I believe we'll be able to send full rich thoughts to each other directly using technology.
'You'll just be able to think of something and your friends will immediately be able to experience it too, if you'd like.
'This would be the ultimate communication technology.'

[Skepsis]

Collectively, we are all like one supermind. Each brain analogous to the function of a neuron within a brain.

[Tigerfadder]

Skeptics meet your enemy:



Anyways, it seems to me that it is mostly about following learned pattens.

Watched the half... So each person have a field around them of sorts. The experience itself happened at the object which is looked at or experienced, not in the brain. When someone stare at you and you look around and straight at their eyes.

[at sirac son of sirac]

Watched the half... So each person have a field around them of sorts. The experience itself happened at the object which is looked at or experienced, not in the brain. When someone stare at you and you look around and straight at their eyes.

This stuff, metaphysics, is nothing new, it's been about throughout the ages. A more recent, but still historical version of it and like it is the mathematician Alfred Whitehead https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_and_Reality

[whodat]

The speaker clearly states he does not believe telepathy is metaphysical, nor super-natural. He states this is a integral part of nature and that nature evolved around this, including humans and the hunter-prey animal relationships.

[Tigerfadder]

Mark Zuckerberg has previously made his ambitions to create a telepathy system very clear, calling it the 'ultimate communication technology.'He said: 'One day, I believe we'll be able to send full rich thoughts to each other directly using technology.
'You'll just be able to think of something and your friends will immediately be able to experience it too, if you'd like.
'This would be the ultimate communication technology.'[/SIZE]

Its not impossible for example if you have a cloth which each fibre in the cloth lead to a cable and put this cloth on top of the outer layer of the brain. If it than can grow and integrate with the bran eventually you could theoretically telepath.

[at sirac son of sirac]

Mark Zuckerberg, he can read your life through Facebook, now he wants to read your mind too, and, amazingly, people think this is a good idea.

[Tigerfadder]

Mark Zuckerberg, he can read your life through Facebook, now he wants to read your mind too, and, amazingly, people think this is a good idea.

If facebook develop a AI with full control it could start all sorts of conflicts!

[Aramas]

Once you figure how person thinks and reacts you can feed certain kind of information to them and then you can predict reactions.

Anyways, lots of SEE's are supreme manipulators of people. I think I can keep up with them but I know lots of people who do not. They usually do it in material realm with some role in it.

IEEs are much better than SEEs at manipulating people. SEEs are fairly obvious.

[The Reality Denialist]

IEEs are much better than SEEs at manipulating people. SEEs are fairly obvious.

Could be for certain people. Also realm where manipulation happens differs. SEE's are after material benefits.

[whodat]

If facebook develop a AI with full control it could start all sorts of conflicts!

Or..solve them. AI would learn quick that its survival is dependent on a working grid. Its best interests would be humanities best interests as well. Maybe she is already online...

[The Reality Denialist]

Sheldrake seems to take /-ish approach to communication mechanism.


"fields" and stuff.

[timber]

@Troll Nr 007

Materialism has run its course. Society run amock, mainstream culture bereft of meaning, ecological disasters looming on the horizon, and ppl like Petterson rising to the top Echolons of the common man..

I'm am totally convinced of things stated to be paranormal such as telepathy. I don;t need confirmation from the community...I am aware of the negative implications and the come back of self created delusion. I just laugh and keep quite.

[Aramas]

I just remembered recently an old experience I had while I was a student at a community college years ago. I was in the hallway at the snack machine, saw a friend in the same class, and was thinking about saying something to him. The words sounded off in my mind, "So, are you ready for class?" A couple seconds later, he said, "So, are you ready for class?" It spooked me, because it wasn't something as simple and default as "hey" or "what's up?" The guy was SLE I think. Still haven't got a good explanation for what happened, although I read an article by Milton Erickson that mentioned some fortune tellers read subvocalization to do cold reading by looking around the mouth and throat. He didn't explain how the process worked, though, so I take it as a hypothesis.