It seems like there's a thin line between the two. Differences? Similarities?
Similarities between 4w3s and 8s
It seems like there's a thin line between the two. Differences? Similarities?
C-EII-INFj 4w3 Sx/sp 479
Where did you read that these two types are similar?
I don't think the wing matters too much here. It's still about the core types. 3 only adds more image influence. Though 3 is completely unlike 8, less passion, less honesty, so I tackle this at the root instead:
Similarity
Emotional intensity triad, reactive
Both among the hard to handle types, neither is easy-going
With SX as primary instinct they are equally fiery
Both very labile on the unhealthy levels, 8 with their anger outbursts, 4 with their moods
When egocentric, attitude looks similar: "What are you doing to me?!"
Difference
8 has a hard time as a masochist under the control of another, 4 embraces it
4 needs a saviour, 8 wants to be the saviour
Gut versus heart: 8 expresses their body, 4 their soul/feelings
8 is active and direct (outer world priority), 4 is receptive (inner world priority)
4 is much more guilt-ridden, self-conscious
4 is the introvert, 8 the extrovert
Conflict is internalized for the 4, vice versa for 8
8 is not very artistic per sé, 4 is more refined in taste and affiliation
8 needs development of the heart, 4 of the gut, hence their integration points 2 and 1
Last edited by Chae; 02-25-2018 at 03:03 PM.
I didn't say I read it somewhere.Originally Posted by lavos
C-EII-INFj 4w3 Sx/sp 479
As always,thank youVery insightful.
C-EII-INFj 4w3 Sx/sp 479
not similar at all
As always,thank you
4 and 8 are pretty much the reversed version of eachother. 4s find it impossible to hide their vulnerability (convinced that they're naked and exposed all the time, everyone's seeing right through them and looking at them negatively) and 8 find it impossible to display it.
A similarity would maybe be the reactivity and negativity.
I guess I could write a little about how this works for me since I am a 4 with a secondary 8 fix.
It manifests in a couple of different ways. One is that I'm wanting to look like I'm not bothered by anything and like I'm hard independent machine. But at the same time I am convinced about me looking vulnerable and sensitive, and that everyone can see right through me and my weak parts, soo I then become even more self-conscious about the fact that I don't live up to the 'looking tough standards' and that I go around all the time looking so self-conscious.
4 with 8 combo also makes me .. too independent and separated. I get very isolated because I don't talk to people because I know 'they would never like someone like me' and also that I just cant bring myself to seem needy like that, like I need to be with people. I think that looks weak or pathetic, or something.
Another way it shows up is that I'm self conscious about that I'm too masculine, even though I'm not that masculine. lol So I get self-conscious about me not looking tough enough but also hate that I have the 8 masculinity. pretty confusing. 8 adds some natural confidence to me and my independence but it makes my self consciousness worse funnily enough
Yet another thing is that probably the fact that I'm social last and have that 8 fix is that I don't want friends alot o the time because I have this illusion that it will cramp my personal freedom and limit me. 8 needs to be independent and have large freedom.
Sorry if this is a little hard to read
Last edited by maniac; 02-25-2018 at 03:01 PM.
cp6 and 8 are the two easiest types to distinguish. cp6 wears shades at night and creeps around like a black cat while checking their gadgets, and 8 runs around in a beat-up leather jacket flashing everyone brass knuckles among other things.
...don't like my enneatypes? make any of them mean anything.
...So, like everyone else?
WHO WOULD WIN?!
Wake me up inside
or
Darkness imprisioning me
LOL... no... I'm a 4w3 and 8 is like the one type I'm 100% sure I'm not. Maybe it's the sx part that confuses you rather than the actual enneagram type.
Sexual 4s can be "more 8 than 8", as they can be outspoken, shameless, competitive, driven etc. Sexual 4s are more often 4w3 than 4w5 I'd imagine as well.
However, 8s don't have as easy access to their full range of emotions as 4s (e.g. 8s can have a hard time crying, for instance, something 4s rarely have trouble with), and are less prone to things like melodrama or emotional manipulation- they tend to be "no nonsense" people, while the Sx 4 is very much the opposite. 8s are much more concerned about strength while Sx 4s are more about envy and being special (and seen as special). Also 8s, crucially, although part of the Anger triad and perfectly ready to use their anger, do not actually enjoy being angry much in as of itself so much as they simply use it, while a Sexual 4 might genuinely enjoy feeling anger, hatred or other negative emotions. 8s are also more protective while 4s are more about loving and being loved- or feeling unloved.
Hope that helps.
Maybe all enneagram types are unrelated and people have different amounts of them all
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yes, this is also the general opinion and where I assume the idea of tritype comes fromand people have different amounts of them all
yeah but it's not nonatype (or more than that if you include all the wings as different types)
whats nonatype?
Like tritype but with all 9 enneagram types individually weighted (non/a- = Greek prefix for 9, so yeah that's going to be all Greek to a lot of people)
alright. well you could start typing people and doing research see if you come up with any pattern that discerns from regular tritype order. i havent found that yet but i have found that some people only appear to have two types in their tritype mean while in some people you can see clearly three types. but i think there might be some logic behind that for example, a 963 social first person the social instinct links with the last 3 fix because they are similar in how they function. hard to tell though
Generally, the last fix isn't much of an issue for the person as the two first types
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