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    Default Te and Not Te

    inspired by the concept of "logic of actions" in another current thread.

    I can't find the remote
    Te: it's typical for remotes to get stuck between couch cushions or get knocked under the couch
    Not Te: look under the couch

    I don't know what computer to buy
    Te: based on your stated needs, you will want x, y, and z in a computer, I find that they're affordable at such-and-such store
    Not Te: buy a mac at the apple store tomorrow

    I'm nervous about my job interview
    Te: some questions they're likely to ask are _____. it helps to dress well and talk about ____.
    Not Te: wear gray slacks and say the following words ____.

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    Not Te: look somewhere near

    Not Te: buy iPad. they are just like computers, dude

    Not Te: all'll be ok

    What is the hour now?
    Te: buy the watches
    Not Te: have no idea
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    To Te or not Te, that is the question:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Not Te: look somewhere near

    Not Te: buy iPad. they are just like computers, dude

    Not Te: all'll be ok

    What is the hour now?
    Te: buy the watches
    Not Te: have no idea
    Te is a cognitive filter, not a mark of intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    Te is a cognitive filter, not a mark of intelligence.
    Te is the mark of reason and experience
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    inspired by the concept of "logic of actions" in another current thread.

    I can't find the remote
    Te: it's typical for remotes to get stuck between couch cushions or get knocked under the couch
    Not Te: look under the couch

    I don't know what computer to buy
    Te: based on your stated needs, you will want x, y, and z in a computer, I find that they're affordable at such-and-such store
    Not Te: buy a mac at the apple store tomorrow

    I'm nervous about my job interview
    Te: some questions they're likely to ask are _____. it helps to dress well and talk about ____.
    Not Te: wear gray slacks and say the following words ____.
    These are good examples, with some caveats.

    The second one: I find that Te types are often oblivious to individual needs - in particular LIEs. They just look at something and say this is objectively cheap or good etc. Tending to what is actually needed in the situation is Si.
    Third one: technically this is "how" info and a Te leading type might give advice about how to do it, but interviewing involves Se primarily.

    Also, I would replace "not Te" with low Te or weak Te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    These are good examples, with some caveats.

    The second one: I find that Te types are often oblivious to individual needs - in particular LIEs. They just look at something and say this is objectively cheap or good etc. Tending to what is actually needed in the situation is Si.
    Third one: technically this is "how" info and a Te leading type might give advice about how to do it, but interviewing involves Se primarily.

    Also, I would replace "not Te" with low Te or weak Te.
    This is probably fair. I'm just trying to illustrate an overall principle which I think is misunderstood.

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    yeah buying a Mac is definitely low .


    Anyways, if is logical object relations in different "spaces" then is about filling those relational gaps? Hence it notes needed actions thus produces something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    yeah buying a Mac is definitely low .

    Yeah, pay the extra charge for product design and brand name...
    the procucts are manufatured on an other assembly line of a company in an asian country.
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    According to Socionics theory everybody use every function, but to a different degree. There is no Zero-D function.
    Half of the types use consciously, the other half of the types unconsciously.
    I also use , most likely, but I'm not aware of it. But I can't tell when and if I do, because it's an unconscious function for me. People with conscious might notice, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    inspired by the concept of "logic of actions" in another current thread.

    I can't find the remote
    Te: it's typical for remotes to get stuck between couch cushions or get knocked under the couch
    Not Te: look under the couch

    I don't know what computer to buy
    Te: based on your stated needs, you will want x, y, and z in a computer, I find that they're affordable at such-and-such store
    Not Te: buy a mac at the apple store tomorrow

    I'm nervous about my job interview
    Te: some questions they're likely to ask are _____. it helps to dress well and talk about ____.
    Not Te: wear gray slacks and say the following words ____.
    Sounds a lot like intuition though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaebette View Post
    Sounds a lot like intuition though
    because some of the statements are predictive? I think they're all based on common knowledge or obtainable information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I find that Te types are often oblivious to individual needs
    this has no sense according to the theory

    > They just look at something and say this is objectively cheap or good etc.

    they may look at best among choices, what relates to Te
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    yeah buying a Mac is definitely low .
    low T. Apple is mostly good in emotional advertising, not in the technology for those prices

    > is about filling those relational gaps?

    Te is about traits of the objects. Ti is about links between those traits. Also Te relates to ways to use, the methods - how to do something, this seems as expansion over Jung.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    How I would probably react to each situation:

    I can't find the remote - Have an "aha" moment and look exactly in the spot where it is hidden. That is, if I was the last to use it. If it was someone else, I might call that person, to get a clue where it might be and not waste time.

    I don't know what computer to buy - Research which is the best bargain in a given timeframe regarding the available technology.

    I'm nervous about my job interview - Ideally, this situation entails a some Fe too, but generally I will try to appear as informed, knowledgeable, capable, efficient as possible. But no need to plan every possible answer. It's good to be able to improvise too, as you never know what could happen.

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    Agree about the remote and apple.

    For the interview, I would be more likely to indicate how your skillset matches the requirements, and when/if it doesn´t match, how you can more than make up for it by looking at a specific skill from a different angle. I would also try to rank you against other applicants (emphasizing the positives ofc). I would be unlikely to give advice on how to dress...
    Conversation would be something like this:

    Position requires X and Y skills. You worked at Z for 10 years dong a b c that puts you in the top 5% applicants for skill X. You´re only top 20% in skill Y beacause (insert some data), so try to emphasize skill X if you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Agree about the remote and apple.

    For the interview, I would be more likely to indicate how your skillset matches the requirements, and when/if it doesn´t match, how you can more than make up for it by looking at a specific skill from a different angle. I would also try to rank you against other applicants (emphasizing the positives ofc). I would be unlikely to give advice on how to dress...
    Conversation would be something like this:

    Position requires X and Y skills. You worked at Z for 10 years dong a b c that puts you in the top 5% applicants for skill X. You´re only top 20% in skill Y beacause (insert some data), so try to emphasize skill X if you can.
    lol, I was kind of struggling with "what ARE the important things here" when I was writing it
    (the remote was a no-brainer thing and the computer was based on experience)
    perfect.

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    I mean, I think ESIs can use Te quite decently in their everyday life, but they struggle when it´s coupled with some Ne (this would be the interview case).
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    So people have problems with that stuff

    My problem with those is sheer ass kisser aspect. AFAIK, people have said excellent stuff but why don't you use it? I say: I don't want to since there is something deeply wrong with that. The process needs more objectivity etc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    This is probably fair. I'm just trying to illustrate an overall principle which I think is misunderstood.
    Yeah there seem to be a lot of pseudo-MBTI misconceptions about Te on the forum. Your examples are much better

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