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    I have been surfing on all socionics-related sources of information and I couldn't find a description of Ni (hint, especially in INFps) that I could wrapy my mind around. I'm either too stupid, or they all follow the same over-complicated pattern of explanation. So if you have your own ways of explaining Ni, use of Ni and experiences involving it, then feel free to share with me on here.

    Really, any description that doesn't make Ni out to be superpowers, voodoo magic or just symtpoms of depression will help me greatly.

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    Ni in IEIs is information about meaning or unseen connections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Ni in IEIs is information about meaning or unseen connections.
    Short, compressed, and to the point. Thanks, much appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Short, compressed, and to the point. Thanks, much appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Noo.
    It's not that I don't appreciate Bertrand' contribution- I specifically found the teacher part interesting, even- but my brain tends to be like s ball of yarn when reading those Stratievskaya-like 3-paragraph definitions.

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    imagination not directed to the now state of the concrete object

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    Short, compressed, and to the point.
    wong point, as relates to N in general
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Ni is the ability to deal with information based on it's possible existence (hence it can be referred to as imagination) as opposed to Ne which is dealing with information based on its hidden potential (hence why it's sometimes referred to as 'ideas').

    Notice the first is subjective (introverted) while the second isn't (extravert.)

    So, IEI could have a rich inner world of possible existence (Ni) expressed or felt with high emotion (Fe.)

    If you think about a possible existence of a love affair, Ni with Fe, you can see why they're called, 'the romantic.'

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    It is a perception element, its intro and it is intuition. xd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    I have been surfing on all socionics-related sources of information and I couldn't find a description of Ni (hint, especially in INFps) that I could wrapy my mind around. I'm either too stupid, or they all follow the same over-complicated pattern of explanation. So if you have your own ways of explaining Ni, use of Ni and experiences involving it, then feel free to share with me on here.

    Really, any description that doesn't make Ni out to be superpowers, voodoo magic or just symtpoms of depression will help me greatly.
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-Ni-That-Works

    There you go. By yours truly.

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    Ni is an analogue to Se but in time, its about framing the world subjectively such that your goals are consistent with your worldview so as to create a trajectory through time that functions like a straight line. rather than manipulate and assess objects in space it does so in time which is a significant portion to sense of meaning, thus it subjectively calibrates the significance of people things and events in time so as to create an internal sense of wholeness. when in situations where Ni is active yet insufficient it comes off as being in one's own world, believing what one wants to believe (stubbornly sticking to erroneous assumptions), willful blindness and so on. blocking it with the rational function is what gives it is ethical or logical flair.

    Ni dominant teachers are good at not acknowledging raised hands Ive noticed, because its not where they want to go, hence insignificant (with a touch of Ne ignoring). its not a Se power play, although it superficially resembles it, its more like they don't even see them. in this sense there's an element of shut-in, autistic kind of behavior, when insufficient under the circumstances (teachers not teaching, getting kind of ideological or rigid) "my teacher can be kind of a sperg" (doesn't have to be Ni valuing or base per se, Ni demonstrative can have its moments and so on, its more Ni in general couched in terms of insufficiency)

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    I would say that it is a way of looking on life, it can almost be categorized as a skill. You are good at picking out key features that play out how things will turn out.

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    You know how in grade school math you get those number lists math problems where they ask you to finish the sequence? To finish the sequence you have to figure out the underlying concept/ pattern by which the sequence is operating and then following that pattern you can predict which numbers would come next. Being able to perceive those underlying patterns and therefore make accurate predictions is how Ni works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph View Post
    You know how in grade school math you get those number lists math problems where they ask you to finish the sequence? To finish the sequence you have to figure out the underlying concept/ pattern by which the sequence is operating and then following that pattern you can predict which numbers would come next. Being able to perceive those underlying patterns and therefore make accurate predictions is how Ni works.
    Although when it comes to those patterns you can invent lots of weirdly defined patterns that do not logically conflict with it.

    For example:
    Let's assume 1,4,9,?
    What is '?'?


    Well, I can say 42 if we define f(n)=n^2 when 0<n<4 and f(n) = 42 elsewhere when n is natural number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Although when it comes to those patterns you can invent lots of weirdly defined patterns that do not logically conflict with it.

    For example:
    Let's assume 1,4,9,?
    What is '?'?


    Well, I can say 42 if we define f(n)=n^2 when 0<n<4 and f(n) = 42 elsewhere when n is natural number.


    Yeah, you can.
    I guess the task is to find a logical consistant solution, not a creative one. I doubt you'll that solution would score as correct in a test.

    Continuing number rows is usually the part I perform best at IQ tests. I can spot such patterns like x^3 - x^2 + 1 in number rows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post


    Yeah, you can.
    I guess the task is to find a logical consistant solution, not a creative one. I doubt you'll that solution would score as correct in a test.

    Continuing number rows is usually the part I perform best at IQ tests. I can spot such patterns like x^3 - x^2 + 1 in number rows.

    Well, if there are no explicit rules for the game.. you can make the rules

    Too lazy to calculate the latest:
    Code:
    for i in range(1,11):
    ....     print i**3-i**2+1
    ....     
    1
    5
    19
    49
    101
    181
    295
    449
    649
    901
    It is imprinted in my mind, now.
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    Get math out of my Christian thread please. It's the stuff of nightmares and it mentally scarred me for nine years. Sooo glad I'm not forced to take math classes anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Get math out of my Christian thread please. It's the stuff of nightmares and it mentally scarred me for nine years. Sooo glad I'm not forced to take math classes anymore.

    In search of ILI I looked for something that is very technical and predictive. What is very technical and predictive? Video encoding process of course!
    Imagine that video is lots of frames in a sequence. In order to compress it you have to look for motion between frames and similarities inside of a frame.
    Did I just found one here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post

    In search of ILI I looked for something that is very technical and predictive. What is very technical and predictive? Video encoding process of course!-
    Imagine that video is lots of frames in a sequence. In order to compress it you have to look for motion between frames and similarities inside of a frame.
    Did I just found one here?
    bth I would type him as LII, because of his subtle emotional expression and playfulness. He is probably a E-Core 9 or has a E 9 fix. The seems demonstrative and he seems -PoLR to me.
    There is also a subtle passion in his speech patterns.
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    My thread has been hijacked by mathematical powers beyond my control.

    Help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    My thread has been hijacked by mathematical powers beyond my control.

    Help.
    Pardon my bipolarity but is this what you are looking for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Pardon my bipolarity but is this what you are looking for?
    Now-now, I might have no idea what's being discussed on here anymore, but I'm by no means a spoilsport.
    Hit some integers and have fun I guess!

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    imo Ni is simply taking a step back and using your imagination to let your mind take in and understand what's around you. It comes to conclusions about things, but it's perceptual based, rather than rational, as compared to say Ti or something.
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    Ni is relativistic information that is first compared with internal references; the results of this comparison are then reacted to or rationalized. The primary perspective taken on most information is how it relates to other information but note that this is a first inclination toward information so it doesn't imply that a type won't also look at information as an absolute independent entity or collection of them, which is the Si initial approach.
    a.k.a. I/O

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    In order to for instance to answer sequence questions you should submit and victimize your mind to specific questions and follow it to the bitter end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    In order to for instance to answer sequence questions you should submit and victimize your mind to specific questions and follow it to the bitter end.
    Lecture me on Ne now, purple poof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Lecture me on Ne now, purple poof.
    With divergent pleasure!

    is imaginary world in mind to look for possibilities. It despises submission and tries to find boundaries that submission requires in order to run circles around it and combine already chewed slave labor into novel juxtapositions. Which in real world generates fighting against windmills kind of behavior or possibly new exquisite ways to waste your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph View Post
    You know how in grade school math you get those number lists math problems where they ask you to finish the sequence? To finish the sequence you have to figure out the underlying concept/ pattern by which the sequence is operating and then following that pattern you can predict which numbers would come next. Being able to perceive those underlying patterns and therefore make accurate predictions is how Ni works.
    This might involve some Ni but with a heavy dose of Ti too.

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