Sp's and So's can only engage in a pseudo-love version. So's are all for "relationships" and showing off and shit, and sp's bake cookies for you but they don't give a shit about you in reality. Real love is sx based.
Sp's and So's can only engage in a pseudo-love version. So's are all for "relationships" and showing off and shit, and sp's bake cookies for you but they don't give a shit about you in reality. Real love is sx based.
Using another person to feel charged and alive isn't love. Real love involves an altruism that isn't found in any kind of ego fixation that the enneagram deals with.
only sp types know how to wipe their own ass
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More reasons why sp and so are fake pseudo-love:
sp:
- Will love, but only as long as their security is not threatened. Such as their money, posessions, income, or habitation. Can partner with somebody just to have a sense of security.
- Tends to consider "loved" ones as extensions of themselves, not as separate, independent, free entities.
so:
- Cares more about how the relationship looks viewed from an outside perspective, rather than how the relationship really is; if it's truly good or not.
- Can choose mate based on the expectations of their group, or society. Will try to justify their choice with "objetive" reasons such as; "she is a hot young woman", "he is a rich architect". Never really feel for someone that doesn't fit these "objetive" criteria.
That said, if I had to choose at gunpoint, I'd prefer sp love.
Sp/sx and So/sx at least have some sx that can help them establish something truthful, but the sx-lasters are beyond help.
Let's not forget the other important insights.
Only SP types can have sex! Sex is about experiencing the pleasure in your body and ensuring the survival of your genes. SP last don't have bodies, so how can they ever have sex? So sad.
Social last all avoid forums because they can't stand groups! The ones here are clearly frauds. Don't worry, a good witch hunt can always help find them. After all, if they were social types, they'd join the witch hunt group, but if they were social last, they'd avoid it because it's a group!
Maybe. They just give more passion and priority to love.
They're kinda stupid as well. :/ because being in love is being emotionally manipulated by someone
Which means, your logic dumbens
Is there even a dumben word? 🤔
Did a so chick dump you beacause you're too poor?
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Poets have been trying to work out love for centuries, if only they'd known about enneagram instincts. How do we tell them?
Yes, I am being sarcastic I hope you don't mind.
Personally I'd be careful about using some new age typology thing to explain stuff that happens with people.
There's nothing about love here. It could be argued that sx types are more inclined to ditch their partners just because they're bored with them.
Sexual (aka “Attraction”) Instinct
Many people originally identify themselves as this type because they have learned that the Sexual types are interested in “one-on-one relationships.” But all three instinctual types are interested in one-on-one relationships for different reasons, so this does not distinguish them. The key element in Sexual types is an intense drive for stimulation and a constant awareness of the “chemistry” between themselves and others. Sexual types are immediately aware of the attraction, or lack thereof, between themselves and other people. Further, while the basis of this instinct is related to sexuality, it is not necessarily about people engaging in the sexual act. There are many people that we are excited to be around for reasons of personal chemistry that we have no intention of “getting involved with.” Nonetheless, we might be aware that we feel stimulated in certain people’s company and less so in others. The sexual type is constantly moving toward that sense of intense stimulation and juicy energy in their relationships and in their activities. They are the most “energized” of the three instinctual types, and tend to be more aggressive, competitive, charged, and emotionally intense than the Self-Pres or Social types. Sexual types need to have intense energetic charge in their primary relationships or else they remain unsatisfied. They enjoy being intensely involved—even merged—with others, and can become disenchanted with partners who are unable to meet their need for intense energetic union. Losing yourself in a “fusion” of being is the ideal here, and Sexual types are always looking for this state with others and with stimulating objects in their world.
I can't tell if you are trolling or not but if you are serious: No way. Lust is not love.
Lust fades away. Temporary, fleeting. Love has a permanence. A soul. Lust is wanting to fist the hot marine, Love is liking/supporting/being there for the real him even if you can never fist him in your entire life.
Sex is not the enemy , but as we grow spiritually we often find it takes just a little bit to turn us on rather than perverting anything. Read the book Universe as a Dream, great stuff.
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
So may sound the worst, but it's also responsible for reciprocative behavior. And pre-emptively spending energy to meet the others needs, so that they may do so in return later when you need it.
Love inevitably fails without that.
Sp/So/ & Sx all cover basic principles of how love works. If you only see the Sx - connection - aspect of love, id imagine that youre a teenage girl
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
people here really do think sx=romance, so=groups, sp=money and resist more robust interpretations even when they're supported by the literature.
the forum is in an anti-intellectual slump.
There's many blogs out there, who knows which ones are right, but this here is interesting
https://oceanmoonshine9.wordpress.com/type-stackings/
Would suggest sx/sp's can go for a time without relationships.Basic Instinctual Subtype Stackings The Sexual Stackings sx/sp
This is perhaps the most internally conflicted of the stackings, and potentially the most inconsistent in behavior. This may occur as a blockage of the sexual instinct which can be redirected as a more generally brooding and troubled personality. They may isolate themselves for long periods of time before reemerging. They live according to a strictly personal outlook and are not particularly concerned with the approval of others outside of their immediate concern. They seem to be searching for something, the missing piece. If they find a soulmate they will unite without fanfare, forming a secret bond, dealing with formalities as an afterthought. Powerful sexual impulses facing inner resistance may manifest symbolically in the psyche, giving way to soulful interpretations of the unconscious. Under periods of stress severe sexual tensions may manifest as erratic, impulsively destructive behavior. Can seem restless, torn between the comforts of a stable home life and the urge to wander. May be prone to self-medicating.
Motivation: to know the heart, reconcile inner conflict, form a secure union.
Familiar roles: the devotee, the seeker, the wanderer
Examples of sx/sp: Prince, Carl Jung, Johnny Depp, Ozzy Osbourne, Johnny Cash, Joan Crawford, Princess Di, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Frollo from “Hunchback of Notre Dame”
My own take on sx, is that if it's about 'merging', then it doesn't have to mean with a partner only. That merging can take the way of other obsessions, people who develop new hobbies for example, and find themselves becoming completely immersed in it.
Marilyn Monroe: sx/so. The lack of sp is obvious
Saying 'sx types' sounds like the other stackings can't engage in 'real' (what?!) love whatsoever - it's called stacking after all, it's just priorities. We all have it. If anything, SX first love goes down the drain quickly, overdose, disappointment, all that. SX secondary and especially SX last create more profound, stable relations. It might not go to the root, but it won't destroy you. Gotta pick what of that it is that you actually want. If I had the choice between finding a love that feels true I would always go for SO/SX or SP/SX. Healthiest of all the stacks when it comes to intimacy SX first is not for games, it's a pathological defect bound to burn you out I daresay.
I agree.
In most cultures, and until very recently our own, the purpose of marriage was necessity as much as anything else, people could not survive as sole units. So with that in mind, sp would make for a good relationship commitment.
The idea of sx first, in societies where people simply don't have the means (financial, technological, these factors) of surviving on their own, is a detriment, as it can cause a lot of stress in relationships which are required not for 'love', but for survival.
Same, I never look. I sort of wake up one day and realize what I have is a relationship and I am in too deep. I did have to tell the ILI he was my bf after he didn't leave my side for weeks but only because he was clueless about what I thought we were. The 2 SLE I lived with told me that I was their's which settled that for me and relieved the tension of not knowing if it was real. I have never been in a boring relationship but I have been in relationships where we grew apart. The parting was torture for me even when I knew it was over. It was like nothing could spark it again and our interests had grown too far apart. I grieved that loss like I would a death.
Actually looking on dating sites seems like a very strange thing to me. I am not that organized or logical when it comes to love. It is all chemical. I love with all my heart but it can fluctuate from intense feelings of love to intense feelings bordering on hate or vengeance.
I envy the love my sx last parents had. It seemed so comfortable, so relaxed, so down to earth. They just allowed each other so much space to be themselves. If I could hit the reset button maybe I would be sx last just to relieve my heart, mind and soul of the pressure inside me that threatens to destroy everything good in my life, if I do not keep it contained. I push people away to protect them from me.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I think instinctual stacking only affects the intensity of relationships, but not the love. Anybody can love, we all have the chemicals of dopamine resulting in short term infatuation and serotonin resulting in long term love.
I see it like this (take this with a grain of salt):
Sx first couple - High intensity
Sx second - Medium intensity
Sx last - Low intensity
Sx first with sx second - Medium to high intensity
Sx second with sx last - Low to medium intensity
Sx first with sx last - Low to high intensity
Out of all these combinations, sx first and sx last is probably the worst relationship due to having completely opposite relationship needs.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
sx is about romantic passion. anyone may feel it. those sx are just more inclined, easier to fall in it
this with friendship and respect leads to love
love itself is more than these 3 components. it's unconditional union of people, which perceive themselves more as parts of this union, than as separated individs
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delta has Fi as valued, - friendly "affection" of unconditional acceptance and compassion. it can be strong
while beta values Se "owning" of other person and materia associated with it (objective traits of body, money), its Ti formal status/role to you and in socium. beta is not more idealistic or emotional in romance
this does not mean that nonvalued regions are not important. they are only lesser represented in the consciousness
The Three Components of Love³
Alpha: Friendship (Social)
Beta: Passion (Sexual)
Delta: Commitment (Self preservation)
And Gammas have no heart ofc.
no way. keep your hands off my semi-duals!
Also: Fi is the main part of friendship, which is subjective feeling of good relations and Si is the main part of sexuality
So is more about general collectivism, than friendship of close people
Sx is about general passion, than sensual part sexuality
Sp is hard to relate to Jung's functions
Besides 'fire' people usually associate Beta quadra with aggression and rules which isnt necessarily sx first (well, not rules at all). I never really understood that rules thing because its contradictive to the bluntness/fieriness that that quadra is supposed to have.
Also fire can be used with different meanings, like an sx last 8 will still seem 'fiery'.
The thing is that sx isnt about relationships. The vast majority of people want and crave relationships and intimacy. The sx gets involved in relationships because its sexual. the sexual instinct is partly wanting to 'own' another as their property (you'll very rarely see a polyamorous sx first person),and the neuroticism around owning that person (because theres something in them that you feel like you need to merge with and like, consume) makes sx first people volatile around that subject
I also think even sx last people can sometimes act 'sx first' in relationships because being in romantic relationships involves the sexual instinct more, but its probably less common for sx last to act like that and for sx firsts it's more of a rule-
A person can both be seeking comfort and practicality and also be volatile, in relationships. If you mean someone will solely get into a relationship for the comfort and practicaly of it, is self-pres purely. That's probably more common with older people also. Personally I've never heard of someone entering a relationship because of that.
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“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
I have a theory that each center has a separate stacking. So for example, someone could be sx emotionally, so mentally, and sp physically. Or be sx (or so or sp) on all three. This could explain the variation in romantic styles people have. @fox , you sound like you have more than 1 sx fix, if not that you are actually sx/sp main (and not sp/sx).
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
This is interesting, I don't completely disagree with you and I see what you are trying to say
I feel like when you really 'click,' when the other person really is the embodiment of your inner anima or animus and can take on that projection fluidly and naturally - then it might be high intensity, regardless of SX second or first...
As for SX first with sx last, I am not sure how much of an 'intensity' there would be, if at all (at least in the SX sense). It's possible there might just be disconnect.