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    Default Hedy Lamarr, Hollywood Star, Inventor of WiFi technology



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

    Maybe I should heed the stereotype and accept ILE, but I'm eager for more input. What was her type?

    Here's an interview:

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    Yes she seems ILE
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    ILE seems quite plausible from what I know about her. She was kind of a covert nerd.
    George Antheil and she co-invented the frequency-hopping method. A radio channel switching method as countermeasure to protect information transmissions from eavesdropping.
    Sorry, that was stuff I learned at engineer school.

    I propose 7-3-9 as her enneagram tritype.

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    Hedy!!!!

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    I do believe she was Fe seeking and that's why the mouth on her was always announcing how displeased she was with the environments she was in, she was always longing for a belonging that she would not find in Hollywood's arrangements. I agree with her being enneatype 739 actually. That's probably why even Edith Head top costumer of the day couldnt stand her. Edith was a bit conservative when it came to women and how women should be, even if she would say otherwise.

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    [referring to the EFF award for invention frequency hopping] It's about time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VOGUE PARIS View Post
    I do believe she was Fe seeking and that's why the mouth on her was always announcing how displeased she was with the environments she was in, she was always longing for a belonging that she would not find in Hollywood's arrangements. I agree with her being enneatype 739 actually. That's probably why even Edith Head top costumer of the day couldnt stand her. Edith was a bit conservative when it came to women and how women should be, even if she would say otherwise.

    Here are some quotes by The Most Beautiful Woman In The World:
    I must quit marrying men who feel inferior to me. Somewhere, there must be a man who could be my husband and not feel inferior. I need a superior inferior man.

    My problem is, I'm a hell of a nice dame, The most horrible whores are famous. I did what I did for love. The others did it for money.

    If you use your imagination, you can look at any actress and see her nude, I hope to make you use your imagination.

    Any girl can be glamorous. All you have to do is stand still and look stupid.

    [1960s] It would be wrong of me to say so, but in this country [USA] money is more important than love. Most people here betray you and that's why there is so much chaos. I want to get away from here. I am homesick for Vienna . . . because my home is Vienna and Austria, not America... never!

    [referring to the EFF award for invention frequency hopping] It's about time.

    The ladder of success in Hollywood is usually agent, actor, director, producer, leading man. And you are a star if you sleep with them in that order. Crude but true.

    To be a star is--to own the world and all the people in it. After a taste of stardom, everything else is poverty.

    I win because I learned years ago that scared money always loses. I never care, so I win.

    I was the highest-priced and most important star in Hollywood, but I was "difficult".

    [on working for Cecil B. DeMille in Samson and Delilah (1949)] I was won over to appearing in the picture from the moment I entered his office and saw the extent of the research that he had done on the whole subject. You have no idea how thorough and comprehensive that research is. He has the first suggestion of a script and treatment down to the final shooting script. He has documents and evidence to support everything he does.
    Wow she could roast people pretty well. Respect

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    Hedy Lamarr - ESFP - Napoleon


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    Hmm. I doubt SEE (ESFp). I'm open to the idea that SEE type can be inventive, but she came up with a theoretical abstract idea.
    Novel functional, logical thinking with weak intuition (Ne role) and Ti PoLR? Frequency hopping was an original idea from her.
    She also constructed a functioning wing for an airplane from scratch, according to her biography.

    I've seen her typed as LIE, which makes more sense to me than SEE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Hmm. I doubt SEE (ESFp). I'm open to the idea that SEE type can be inventive, but she came up with a theoretical abstract idea.
    Novel functional, logical thinking with weak intuition (Ne role) and Ti PoLR? Frequency hopping was an original idea from her.
    She also constructed a functioning wing for an airplane from scratch, according to her biography.

    I've seen her typed as LIE, which makes more sense to me than SEE.

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    Here is an documentary about Hedy Lamarr

    It shows a lot about her motivations. I can see that she valued Ni and Fi.
    Watch time index 28:36, what George Antheil said about her.
    I seriously doubt Se-leading for her, from the info of that documentary

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    Rather strong ILI suspect
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    ILI, or more likely LIE-Ni, not LIE-Te or ILI-Te, because her Fi seems better than 1D.

    ILI and core E-type 7 does not really go well together. Maybe she created a public persona as actress and played a role in public.
    Honestly I doubt core type 7 for her now. She did act as an type 7 in public only.

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    From the documentary i've seen titled "Bombshell" she was portrayed as rather the nerd, wanting to stay home and invent things. It's true that she designed the airplane wing too, she did a lot of sketches for that and all this from a woman who didn't have the theoretical background in the field, that is she hadn't studied anything tech or science related (that is she did it as a side hobby) , even tho she cited chemistry as her favorite secondary school subject in interviews. From all this i'd suggested ILE.

    In interviews she'd said that 'ideas just come' to her, ideas for various inventions, even if not all her inventions were successful

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    Any sensing type seems wrong for her. Definitely an intuition ego type. She also valued feeling.
    My impression from the documentary is she had Fi HA.

    ILE as called inventor, but there where a lot of successful inventors of other types, e.g. Nikola Tesla, most likely ILI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Any sensing type seems wrong for her. Definitely an intuition ego type. She also valued feeling.
    My impression from the documentary is she had Fi HA.
    Which documentary are you referring to? I am referring to the documentary produced by Susan Sarandon just this year or maybe last year.
    I dunno about Fi -ha. She would send her niece pictures of herself that were simply hollywood studio photographs signed. Her family thought that she decided that's how everyone wanted to see her, as a star. That seems more like confused Fi or very weak Fi. Her major invention she did at the height of her hollywood career - not to be underestimated i mean to me it seems to indicate a Fe valuing type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delilah View Post
    Which documentary are you referring to?
    The documentary I linked to in post #10 in this thread.
    Her motivation was to help and protect people in her home country, and she hated fascim and the Nazis. I don't think that are signs for weak moral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    The documentary I linked to in post #10 in this thread.
    Her motivation was to help and protect people in her home country, and she hated fascim and the Nazis. I don't think that are signs for weak moral.
    No, i don't believe she had a moral issue, and i agree with your statement to some extend, but i kinda don't agree with Fi being morals personally.

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    Then I'd think LIE or ILE.

    Demonstrative is very interested in ideas. ILE's analyze functions () and later use the functionality in new ways.
    But in essence both work based on that statement.

    I get similar ideas (not saying those are so good ones). People have hard time of understanding how obvious it is to me.
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    tell mobilizing that he/she is specifically needed to carry out something. It is kind of instant: Yes.
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    She was definitely an ILE-Ti and one of the most important people from the 20th century and one of my favorite famous people (and people in general) from the 20th century. It's ridiculous to suggest she was not an ILE-Ti. Sorry.

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    Perfect fit for IEI-Ni.

    The majority of men will never date a Hedy Lamarr (in her prime), a Vivien Leigh (in her prime) or a Maria Callas (in her prime). It takes a certain kind of man.

    I have and do because, frankly, I'm the man. Just like

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    I haven't had the chance to verify the rest of the types he V.I.s (and I can't find any resemblance among some of the individuals he groups under one subtype in his gallery) . But I will say that his proposed facial traits for EIE-Fe match my experience with the type.

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    She’s purdyy. Just lovely.

    not many, if any, Hollywood stars like this anymore
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