Billie Eilish

[Pawste]

LSI.

[Pawste]

Billie has Pisces Ascendant in Astrology, also Mars in 1st house

Mars in 1st house according to what? As far as I know, she has Mars in 12th.

[ooo]

maybe she's using whole houses

[TheFairyGeometry]

@Pawste. Yes, I'm using whole house system. I have most of my planets moved because of my shift from Placidus to Whole House, and I found the latter to be much more accurate so I decided to follow it.

But you have to agree Billie does things which are very typical for Mars in 1st house. Tomboyish, athletic, confident, cocky, "aggressively being herself" (so she thinks) are traits of Mars in 1st house. But her clothing style is combined in a very... strange way, which is a trait of EIE.

Astrology aside, this is typology forum so her whole personality is counted. I'm still vote up for EIE (ENFj).

[Pawste]

Her brother is EIE.

[cookie123]

I think she might have a 9 fix, 9w8 to be specific

[timber]

Her 1 hit is kinda funky. To bad it will get overplayed 10 million times by Ryan Seacrest for the next 2 years until I punch the radio dial and say fuck the hits station

[timber]

Se is perposterous. Blank eyed monosyllables doesnt mean Se. I bet her live shows suck without dat autotune. When I worked concerts teen girls like Avril all sounded like horse shit live.

[maniac]

She comes off as a really genuine person to me.

Thats how we all seem when we're that age, then we get ruined

[golden]

Thats how we all seem when we're that age, then we get ruined

Since I was that age in the past, I distinctly recall a whole lot of selfish, fake, even cruel shitty people of the same age, and unfortunately most of them have gone on to remain assholes and idiots. YMMV.

[maniac]

Since I was that age in the past, I distinctly recall a whole lot of selfish, fake, even cruel shitty people of the same age, and unfortunately most of them have gone on to remain assholes and idiots. YMMV.

true. idk what YMMV means

[soundofconfusion]

your mileage may vary. it means that you might have made different experiences

[Baboooshka]

I don't know anything about her type. I don't like her music except for fooling around to Bad Guy and memes made with that song.
But the strange thing is that I find her adorable as fuck. I want one like her and I promise I'll name her George.

Hope she won't end up in Tumblr's music industry garbage bin like Melanie Martinez.

[Kalinoche the Child]

[user123]

SLE

[toska]

IEE-Fi: Billie Eilish

 

 

"I'm not trying to be defined by one song or one sound. I don't have a goal, I don't want a goal. There are way too many things I want to do. I'm not trying to achieve this one thing. I want to design a car, I want to make a movie, I want to have a clothing brand. The only thing that doesn't change about me is the fact that I'm going to change over and over again."

[soundofconfusion]

EIE normalising subtype

[toska]

EIE-Ni: Finneas O'Connell

 

 

[toska]

EIE normalising subtype

There's nothing really Beta about her. If you watch this interview, you can really see the differences between her and her brother.

[soundofconfusion]

There's nothing really Beta about her.

[toska]

You really think EIE would say, "I don't have a goal, I don't want a goal"?

[toska]

She writes everything with her brother and she's made it clear that with each song she's creating a character rather than writing from her own perspective. I wouldn't use that as an example of her personal values. It's as good as me putting this to say she's Se-base.



Her versatility and confidence within ambiguity is very Ne.

[toska]

I'd also add, she's likely 4w3 sx/sp.

[faith]

she's very obviously ESI. Her image is new and fresh and not comparable to other ESI's, which is why imo everyone is typing her differently. ESI's are known for bringing new ways of self expression which shouldn't be attributed to any other type except SEE.

[toska]

she's very obviously ESI. Her image is new and fresh and not comparable to other ESI's, which is why imo everyone is typing her differently. ESI's are known for bringing new ways of self expression which shouldn't be attributed to any other type except SEE.

I could see an argument for SEE but I don't think she's by any means "obviously ESI".

[faith]

IEE-Fi: Billie Eilish

 

 

"I'm not trying to be defined by one song or one sound. I don't have a goal, I don't want a goal. There are way too many things I want to do. I'm not trying to achieve this one thing. I want to design a car, I want to make a movie, I want to have a clothing brand. The only thing that doesn't change about me is the fact that I'm going to change over and over again."

She's Se valuing. She always talks about her appearance. Intuitives never put this much emphasis on the sensory, which is why there are so many comments on her being 'dumb'.

I don't listen to music, but I'd imagine an IEE would be much more symbolic in their music videos compared to her work, which is only visually pleasing with hints of Ni.

[Samson]

Se base. Leaning SLE. I'm not seeing much Fi.
7w6 core with 9 and 3. Head leads, not heart. In fact, she is heart last. Where's the type 4, people?...
J lead is impossible. She is a P type and an extrovert.

[Investigator]

I think she is an IEE-Ne. She acts very much like an IEE-Ne friend I have, especially the obvious “playing dumb” act. I don’t know how people confuse her Si seeking for strong Si.

[Memph]

I'd lean towards ESI. She reminds me a lot of Avril Lavigne when she was the same age, who I'm pretty sure is also ESI.

[lynn]

she looks IEE-Fi to me ...

[kingslayer]

IEI

[sbbds]

I think she’s an SLE. She reminds me of Scarlett Johansson.

[bouncingoffclouds]

I second reminds me of Scarlett Johansson. Was thinking the same thing this evening upon seeing this post.

[Tommy]

I second reminds me of Scarlett Johansson. Was thinking the same thing this evening upon seeing this post.

I type them both EIE, along with Charlize Theron and Shirley Manson.

[toska]

She's Se valuing. She always talks about her appearance. Intuitives never put this much emphasis on the sensory, which is why there are so many comments on her being 'dumb'.

I don't listen to music, but I'd imagine an IEE would be much more symbolic in their music videos compared to her work, which is only visually pleasing with hints of Ni.

IEE-Fi with accentuated Se, Si, Fe. I've seen plenty of IEE pay attention to what they wear. My IEE friend has been fussing this whole week trying to figure out her style. This seems arbitrary compared to her more obvious usage and value of Ne in songwriting. I don't see the relevance of peoples comments on her and it seems naive to think all IEE are gonna be deep and symbolic. This has not been my experience with the type by any means. Visual aesthetic in music videos is only slightly influenced by the musician who really only in some cases has the vision for the project. That said, if she does write and direct these videos--the variation in style should be the greatest indication. Wanting to write these songs with no specific common theme, playing characters in the songs (Fi usage, putting herself in the shoes of others). Looking to embody different roles with indifference to the statements she's making through them. She's entertaining ideas and trying something new with every song. I don't know if you read the quote I referenced but her goals are always changing and she's overwhelmed by the different kinds of things she wants to do. She has interests outside of music: wanting to design a car, wanting to make a movie, wanting to develop a clothing brand. How much more Ne does it need to get?

[Closer]

I feel that she is ESI. I believe she is a crisp example of how ESI tend to set trends. Now that I think about it, I feel that the trendsetting ESI tends to be E4.

[faith]

I've seen plenty of IEE pay attention to what they wear.

Only in terms of being authentic (Fi) to themselves, no more. Like cat ears or glitter in their nostrils. Billie has a combination of Fi and strong Se. A lot of the times she wears things its because it "looks dope" a.k.a no PoLR Se ever.

My IEE friend has been fussing this whole week trying to figure out her style.

Don't trust your typing...

This seems arbitrary compared to her more obvious usage and value of Ne in songwriting.

Marina Diamandis, an IEE: Imagery that makes you dizzy. Symbolic "personas that women must take in society" Electra Heart. Has a focus on aesthetics but only to express a deeper meaning or the bigger picture

Billie Eilish: self expression, self expression... nice pictures, focus on making it sound nice.

Wanting to write these songs with no specific common theme, playing characters in the songs (Fi usage, putting herself in the shoes of others)

She's 17, and the common theme is building her self image. And her image is pretty consistent by now.

She's entertaining ideas and trying something new with every song.

Se ideas, concrete ideas. Like putting spiders in her mouth, or making herself cry black tears. If you hang around high Se users they do the same crap all the time. The difference is that they are concrete, physical ideas. While an Ne user would do something with, idk, alternate universes.

I don't know if you read the quote I referenced but her goals are always changing and she's overwhelmed by the different kinds of things she wants to do. She has interests outside of music: wanting to design a car, wanting to make a movie, wanting to develop a clothing brand.

Same here ,

Having more than one interest is an Ne thing?

I think I'll repeat myself here when I say that her interests are concrete and all within the field of designing in the concrete world. I think this can be used as evidence of Se actually, she doesn't go beyond designing and singing, and this points towards an Ni goal. Its like she's creating a brand for herself with is very common for Se users.

[bouncingoffclouds]

Only in terms of being authentic (Fi) to themselves, no more. Like cat ears or glitter in their nostrils. Billie has a combination of Fi and strong Se. A lot of the times she wears things its because it "looks dope" a.k.a no PoLR Se ever.



Don't trust your typing...

I agree with this. For IEE it's more about authenticity and individual flair, I don't think IEE's obsess on what they are going to wear, they just wear what is true to them and expresses their inner self, which usually isn't very hard for them to do and yes something like ears or glitter might be a part of that truthful self-expression lol. Don't think they are usually the type big into brands or any of that shite

[toska]

I agree with this. For IEE it's more about authenticity and individual flair, I don't think IEE's obsess on what they are going to wear, they just wear what is true to them and expresses their inner self, which usually isn't very hard for them to do and yes something like ears or glitter might be a part of that truthful self-expression lol. Don't think they are usually the type big into brands or any of that shite

I said nothing about obsession and I agree with most of this. As far as brand name goes, her style is far from basic branding. The style is very unique and very much her own. It's an insecurity of my friend and she's highly suggestible about style just like most IEE but she does want to keep it her own.

• ~With aesthetic taste of representatives of this type not everything is alright, although the IEE may try to closely follow fashion and meticulously carry out all beauty recommendations and instructions. In questions of aesthetics and beauty the IEE is highly suggestible and easily influenced by another's opinion. Moreover, once suggested and absorbed information on this aspect reaches axiomatic level for him. Thus, the IEE is characterized by certain conservatism in his tastes, which combines with inherent to him originality in the most unexpected forms. In dressing the IEE tries to adhere to "a personal style", which is not always successfully put together. Frequently in IEE's appearance there can be observed something illogical, for example, a felt cap and chamois boots in 30C degree heat. This "combination" is completely explainable from IEE's point of view, since it was chosen and put together by matching colors, and the fact that this is causes unpleasant sensations is not important: "beauty requires sacrifices".~

Risking discomfort for the sake of style. Billie revealed that the reason she wears baggy clothes is so that people won't be able to judge or sexualize her. Hence, dressing more conservatively. Avoiding running the risk of being sexualized.

"If I'm in a bad mood, or if I'm uncomfortable, it's probably what I'm wearing that's making me feel that way." - Billie

“Nobody can have an opinion because they haven’t seen what’s underneath. Nobody can be like, ‘she’s slim-thick,’ ‘she’s not slim-thick,’ ‘she’s got a flat a**,’ ‘she’s got a fat a**.’ No one can say any of that because they don’t know.” - Billie

• ~4w3: The type most interested in a really artful, tastefully unique presentation. They often like to combine black and bright colors. 4w3′s are usually thin to medium in build, although there are some exceptions. The females often wear their hair in some way that gives it a lot of body, such as shoulder-length (or longer) curls. Both sexes like to dress up. Some of the most outrageous costumes ever seen in ordinary public places are on 4w3′s (the rest are on sevens).~

"There's people out there saying, 'Dress like a girl for once! Wear tight clothes you'd be much prettier and your career would be so much better! ' No it wouldn't. It literally would not.'" - Billie

[bouncingoffclouds]

Yeah I noticed the baggy clothes and figured this could be Si valuing, so it’s interesting to see the real reasons behind it. I respect her choice to wear looser clothing.