maybe she's using whole houses
@Pawste. Yes, I'm using whole house system. I have most of my planets moved because of my shift from Placidus to Whole House, and I found the latter to be much more accurate so I decided to follow it.
But you have to agree Billie does things which are very typical for Mars in 1st house. Tomboyish, athletic, confident, cocky, "aggressively being herself" (so she thinks) are traits of Mars in 1st house. But her clothing style is combined in a very... strange way, which is a trait of EIE.
Astrology aside, this is typology forum so her whole personality is counted. I'm still vote up for EIE (ENFj).
I think she might have a 9 fix, 9w8 to be specific
Her 1 hit is kinda funky. To bad it will get overplayed 10 million times by Ryan Seacrest for the next 2 years until I punch the radio dial and say fuck the hits station
Se is perposterous. Blank eyed monosyllables doesnt mean Se. I bet her live shows suck without dat autotune. When I worked concerts teen girls like Avril all sounded like horse shit live.
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LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
your mileage may vary. it means that you might have made different experiences
I don't know anything about her type. I don't like her music except for fooling around to Bad Guy and memes made with that song.
But the strange thing is that I find her adorable as fuck. I want one like her and I promise I'll name her George.
Hope she won't end up in Tumblr's music industry garbage bin like Melanie Martinez.
"Time is my horse that stays always my own,
A helmet’s mask-visor – the grate on a hole,
The walls are my armor that’s made of the stone,
My permanent shield is the door’s iron fold.
Time! I desire to speed your hooves’ rattle!
My stony armor is heavy to rise on!
Death, when we’ve come, will help me by the saddle;
I will dismount and rise up my visor."
honest labor needs no master
Nothing good is a miracle, nothing lovely is a dream.
Επί πάντων μέμνησο τα έσχατά σου, και ου μη αμαρτήσης
IEE-Fi: Billie Eilish
"I'm not trying to be defined by one song or one sound. I don't have a goal, I don't want a goal. There are way too many things I want to do. I'm not trying to achieve this one thing. I want to design a car, I want to make a movie, I want to have a clothing brand. The only thing that doesn't change about me is the fact that I'm going to change over and over again."
EIE-Ni: Finneas O'Connell
Her versatility and confidence within ambiguity is very Ne.
I'd also add, she's likely 4w3 sx/sp.
Se base. Leaning SLE. I'm not seeing much Fi.
7w6 core with 9 and 3. Head leads, not heart. In fact, she is heart last. Where's the type 4, people?...
J lead is impossible. She is a P type and an extrovert.
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I think she is an IEE-Ne. She acts very much like an IEE-Ne friend I have, especially the obvious “playing dumb” act. I don’t know how people confuse her Si seeking for strong Si.
I'd lean towards ESI. She reminds me a lot of Avril Lavigne when she was the same age, who I'm pretty sure is also ESI.
she looks IEE-Fi to me ...
I second reminds me of Scarlett Johansson. Was thinking the same thing this evening upon seeing this post.
I feel that she is ESI. I believe she is a crisp example of how ESI tend to set trends. Now that I think about it, I feel that the trendsetting ESI tends to be E4.
"Talent hits a target no one else can hit; genius hits a target no one else can see." - Schopenhauer
- ~With aesthetic taste of representatives of this type not everything is alright, although the IEE may try to closely follow fashion and meticulously carry out all beauty recommendations and instructions. In questions of aesthetics and beauty the IEE is highly suggestible and easily influenced by another's opinion. Moreover, once suggested and absorbed information on this aspect reaches axiomatic level for him. Thus, the IEE is characterized by certain conservatism in his tastes, which combines with inherent to him originality in the most unexpected forms. In dressing the IEE tries to adhere to "a personal style", which is not always successfully put together. Frequently in IEE's appearance there can be observed something illogical, for example, a felt cap and chamois boots in 30C degree heat. This "combination" is completely explainable from IEE's point of view, since it was chosen and put together by matching colors, and the fact that this is causes unpleasant sensations is not important: "beauty requires sacrifices".~
Risking discomfort for the sake of style. Billie revealed that the reason she wears baggy clothes is so that people won't be able to judge or sexualize her. Hence, dressing more conservatively. Avoiding running the risk of being sexualized.
"If I'm in a bad mood, or if I'm uncomfortable, it's probably what I'm wearing that's making me feel that way." - Billie
“Nobody can have an opinion because they haven’t seen what’s underneath. Nobody can be like, ‘she’s slim-thick,’ ‘she’s not slim-thick,’ ‘she’s got a flat a**,’ ‘she’s got a fat a**.’ No one can say any of that because they don’t know.” - Billie
- ~4w3: The type most interested in a really artful, tastefully unique presentation. They often like to combine black and bright colors. 4w3′s are usually thin to medium in build, although there are some exceptions. The females often wear their hair in some way that gives it a lot of body, such as shoulder-length (or longer) curls. Both sexes like to dress up. Some of the most outrageous costumes ever seen in ordinary public places are on 4w3′s (the rest are on sevens).~
"There's people out there saying, 'Dress like a girl for once! Wear tight clothes you'd be much prettier and your career would be so much better! ' No it wouldn't. It literally would not.'" - Billie
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Yeah I noticed the baggy clothes and figured this could be Si valuing, so it’s interesting to see the real reasons behind it. I respect her choice to wear looser clothing.
Combatitive Fi attitude comes first in everything she does. Clearly Se/Ni valuing in her music videos and lyrics.
“Bruises, on both my knees for you
Don’t say thank you or please
I do what I want when I'm wanting to
My soul? So cynical
So you're a tough guy
Like it really rough guy
Just can't get enough guy
Chest always so puffed guy
I'm that bad type
Make your mama sad type
Make your girlfriend mad tight
Might seduce your dad type
I'm the bad guy, duh”
Ne is not that straightforward and aggressive in its delivery. Has a goofy sense of humor in interviews which is not atypical of +Fe and Se subtype; being “quirky” does not = Ne. Very clearly introverted and IxFx:
You really know how to make me cry
When you gimme those ocean eyes
I've never fallen from quite this high
Falling into your ocean eyes
Those ocean eyes”
^This has ExI written ALL over it, I don’t see how it’s not obvious. She has stated herself that she hates smiling: not a 4D Fe type, I could never imagine 4D Fe claiming that even if their Fe isn’t valued. VI isn’t always the best way to type but her eyes hold a ton of Fi and Ni in them -> Fi base + valued Ni. They look as if they’re staring directly into your soul which is a distinctly Fi and Ni trait IMO. IEE’s eyes and overall body language gives the impression that they’re “everywhere” at once, soaking in every trace of mental excitement. Very childlike. Very bright. There is absolutely nothing childlike about her and she is very beyond her years -> Gamma. IEE and Se ego alike can wear bold clothing but her style is way too put together for an IEE IMO and:
"If I'm in a bad mood, or if I'm uncomfortable, it's probably what I'm wearing that's making me feel that way."
^This is the definition of base Fi, lol. Only they have this extreme of a connection to what makes their identity; yes so does creative Fi but this is almost over the top. Her physical presence is also quite strong in my eyes. I think the IEE typings are solely a case of viewing her -Fi and +Fe. 469 tritype as well which is far more common in ESI; when I think of IEE 4 I generally picture an IEE-Fi 478 Sx/So because those are truly the only kind that I’ve encountered. Think Harley Quinn: Billie’s personality is the opposite of that if anything, the only similarity is an appreciation of “darkness” or “edginess”.
Her style of dressing screams “go away” or “do not disturb me”, whereas an IEE has a much more open and warm feel.
Lastly, her temperament is extremely stable, to the point that I have also considered 9w8 as her core type and it’s definitely a major fix in her. IEE is the most obviously restless, scattered type in socionics from what I’ve gathered. They are constantly chasing butterflies so to speak. Billie comes off as grounded and sure of herself, and not inclined to fidget. Quite frankly, I think IEE is a shit typing for her.
And I'm what you desire, like a siren in the night
Originally Posted by Starfall7w6 2w3 8w9 - The Free Spirit