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    LSI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFairyGeometry View Post
    Billie has Pisces Ascendant in Astrology, also Mars in 1st house
    Mars in 1st house according to what? As far as I know, she has Mars in 12th.

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    maybe she's using whole houses

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    @Pawste. Yes, I'm using whole house system. I have most of my planets moved because of my shift from Placidus to Whole House, and I found the latter to be much more accurate so I decided to follow it.

    But you have to agree Billie does things which are very typical for Mars in 1st house. Tomboyish, athletic, confident, cocky, "aggressively being herself" (so she thinks) are traits of Mars in 1st house. But her clothing style is combined in a very... strange way, which is a trait of EIE.

    Astrology aside, this is typology forum so her whole personality is counted. I'm still vote up for EIE (ENFj).

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    I think she might have a 9 fix, 9w8 to be specific

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    Her 1 hit is kinda funky. To bad it will get overplayed 10 million times by Ryan Seacrest for the next 2 years until I punch the radio dial and say fuck the hits station

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    Se is perposterous. Blank eyed monosyllables doesnt mean Se. I bet her live shows suck without dat autotune. When I worked concerts teen girls like Avril all sounded like horse shit live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post

    She comes off as a really genuine person to me.
    Thats how we all seem when we're that age, then we get ruined

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    Quote Originally Posted by eko View Post
    Thats how we all seem when we're that age, then we get ruined
    Since I was that age in the past, I distinctly recall a whole lot of selfish, fake, even cruel shitty people of the same age, and unfortunately most of them have gone on to remain assholes and idiots. YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Since I was that age in the past, I distinctly recall a whole lot of selfish, fake, even cruel shitty people of the same age, and unfortunately most of them have gone on to remain assholes and idiots. YMMV.
    true. idk what YMMV means

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    your mileage may vary. it means that you might have made different experiences

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    I don't know anything about her type. I don't like her music except for fooling around to Bad Guy and memes made with that song.
    But the strange thing is that I find her adorable as fuck. I want one like her and I promise I'll name her George.

    Hope she won't end up in Tumblr's music industry garbage bin like Melanie Martinez.
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    IEE-Fi: Billie Eilish



     


     

    "I'm not trying to be defined by one song or one sound. I don't have a goal, I don't want a goal. There are way too many things I want to do. I'm not trying to achieve this one thing. I want to design a car, I want to make a movie, I want to have a clothing brand. The only thing that doesn't change about me is the fact that I'm going to change over and over again."

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    EIE normalising subtype

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    EIE-Ni: Finneas O'Connell



     


     

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    EIE normalising subtype
    There's nothing really Beta about her. If you watch this interview, you can really see the differences between her and her brother.


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    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    There's nothing really Beta about her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    You really think EIE would say, "I don't have a goal, I don't want a goal"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    She writes everything with her brother and she's made it clear that with each song she's creating a character rather than writing from her own perspective. I wouldn't use that as an example of her personal values. It's as good as me putting this to say she's Se-base.



    Her versatility and confidence within ambiguity is very Ne.

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    I'd also add, she's likely 4w3 sx/sp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faith View Post
    she's very obviously ESI. Her image is new and fresh and not comparable to other ESI's, which is why imo everyone is typing her differently. ESI's are known for bringing new ways of self expression which shouldn't be attributed to any other type except SEE.
    I could see an argument for SEE but I don't think she's by any means "obviously ESI".

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    Se base. Leaning SLE. I'm not seeing much Fi.
    7w6 core with 9 and 3. Head leads, not heart. In fact, she is heart last. Where's the type 4, people?...
    J lead is impossible. She is a P type and an extrovert.
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    I think she is an IEE-Ne. She acts very much like an IEE-Ne friend I have, especially the obvious “playing dumb” act. I don’t know how people confuse her Si seeking for strong Si.

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    I'd lean towards ESI. She reminds me a lot of Avril Lavigne when she was the same age, who I'm pretty sure is also ESI.

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    she looks IEE-Fi to me ...

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    IEI

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    I think she’s an SLE. She reminds me of Scarlett Johansson.

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    I second reminds me of Scarlett Johansson. Was thinking the same thing this evening upon seeing this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    I second reminds me of Scarlett Johansson. Was thinking the same thing this evening upon seeing this post.
    I type them both EIE, along with Charlize Theron and Shirley Manson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faith View Post
    She's Se valuing. She always talks about her appearance. Intuitives never put this much emphasis on the sensory, which is why there are so many comments on her being 'dumb'.

    I don't listen to music, but I'd imagine an IEE would be much more symbolic in their music videos compared to her work, which is only visually pleasing with hints of Ni.
    IEE-Fi with accentuated Se, Si, Fe. I've seen plenty of IEE pay attention to what they wear. My IEE friend has been fussing this whole week trying to figure out her style. This seems arbitrary compared to her more obvious usage and value of Ne in songwriting. I don't see the relevance of peoples comments on her and it seems naive to think all IEE are gonna be deep and symbolic. This has not been my experience with the type by any means. Visual aesthetic in music videos is only slightly influenced by the musician who really only in some cases has the vision for the project. That said, if she does write and direct these videos--the variation in style should be the greatest indication. Wanting to write these songs with no specific common theme, playing characters in the songs (Fi usage, putting herself in the shoes of others). Looking to embody different roles with indifference to the statements she's making through them. She's entertaining ideas and trying something new with every song. I don't know if you read the quote I referenced but her goals are always changing and she's overwhelmed by the different kinds of things she wants to do. She has interests outside of music: wanting to design a car, wanting to make a movie, wanting to develop a clothing brand. How much more Ne does it need to get?

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    I feel that she is ESI. I believe she is a crisp example of how ESI tend to set trends. Now that I think about it, I feel that the trendsetting ESI tends to be E4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faith View Post
    Only in terms of being authentic (Fi) to themselves, no more. Like cat ears or glitter in their nostrils. Billie has a combination of Fi and strong Se. A lot of the times she wears things its because it "looks dope" a.k.a no PoLR Se ever.



    Don't trust your typing...

    I agree with this. For IEE it's more about authenticity and individual flair, I don't think IEE's obsess on what they are going to wear, they just wear what is true to them and expresses their inner self, which usually isn't very hard for them to do and yes something like ears or glitter might be a part of that truthful self-expression lol. Don't think they are usually the type big into brands or any of that shite

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    I agree with this. For IEE it's more about authenticity and individual flair, I don't think IEE's obsess on what they are going to wear, they just wear what is true to them and expresses their inner self, which usually isn't very hard for them to do and yes something like ears or glitter might be a part of that truthful self-expression lol. Don't think they are usually the type big into brands or any of that shite
    I said nothing about obsession and I agree with most of this. As far as brand name goes, her style is far from basic branding. The style is very unique and very much her own. It's an insecurity of my friend and she's highly suggestible about style just like most IEE but she does want to keep it her own.

    • ~With aesthetic taste of representatives of this type not everything is alright, although the IEE may try to closely follow fashion and meticulously carry out all beauty recommendations and instructions. In questions of aesthetics and beauty the IEE is highly suggestible and easily influenced by another's opinion. Moreover, once suggested and absorbed information on this aspect reaches axiomatic level for him. Thus, the IEE is characterized by certain conservatism in his tastes, which combines with inherent to him originality in the most unexpected forms. In dressing the IEE tries to adhere to "a personal style", which is not always successfully put together. Frequently in IEE's appearance there can be observed something illogical, for example, a felt cap and chamois boots in 30C degree heat. This "combination" is completely explainable from IEE's point of view, since it was chosen and put together by matching colors, and the fact that this is causes unpleasant sensations is not important: "beauty requires sacrifices".~

    Risking discomfort for the sake of style. Billie revealed that the reason she wears baggy clothes is so that people won't be able to judge or sexualize her. Hence, dressing more conservatively. Avoiding running the risk of being sexualized.

    "If I'm in a bad mood, or if I'm uncomfortable, it's probably what I'm wearing that's making me feel that way." - Billie

    “Nobody can have an opinion because they haven’t seen what’s underneath. Nobody can be like, ‘she’s slim-thick,’ ‘she’s not slim-thick,’ ‘she’s got a flat a**,’ ‘she’s got a fat a**.’ No one can say any of that because they don’t know.” - Billie

    • ~4w3: The type most interested in a really artful, tastefully unique presentation. They often like to combine black and bright colors. 4w3′s are usually thin to medium in build, although there are some exceptions. The females often wear their hair in some way that gives it a lot of body, such as shoulder-length (or longer) curls. Both sexes like to dress up. Some of the most outrageous costumes ever seen in ordinary public places are on 4w3′s (the rest are on sevens).~




    "There's people out there saying, 'Dress like a girl for once! Wear tight clothes you'd be much prettier and your career would be so much better! ' No it wouldn't. It literally would not.'" - Billie
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    Yeah I noticed the baggy clothes and figured this could be Si valuing, so it’s interesting to see the real reasons behind it. I respect her choice to wear looser clothing.

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    ESI-Se

    Combatitive Fi attitude comes first in everything she does. Clearly Se/Ni valuing in her music videos and lyrics.

    Bruises, on both my knees for you
    Don’t say thank you or please
    I do what I want when I'm wanting to
    My soul? So cynical

    So you're a tough guy
    Like it really rough guy
    Just can't get enough guy
    Chest always so puffed guy
    I'm that bad type
    Make your mama sad type
    Make your girlfriend mad tight
    Might seduce your dad type
    I'm the bad guy, duh


    Ne is not that straightforward and aggressive in its delivery. Has a goofy sense of humor in interviews which is not atypical of +Fe and Se subtype; being “quirky” does not = Ne. Very clearly introverted and IxFx:

    No fair
    You really know how to make me cry
    When you gimme those ocean eyes
    I'm scared

    I've never fallen from quite this high
    Falling into your ocean eyes
    Those ocean eyes”

    ^This has ExI written ALL over it, I don’t see how it’s not obvious. She has stated herself that she hates smiling: not a 4D Fe type, I could never imagine 4D Fe claiming that even if their Fe isn’t valued. VI isn’t always the best way to type but her eyes hold a ton of Fi and Ni in them -> Fi base + valued Ni. They look as if they’re staring directly into your soul which is a distinctly Fi and Ni trait IMO. IEE’s eyes and overall body language gives the impression that they’re “everywhere” at once, soaking in every trace of mental excitement. Very childlike. Very bright. There is absolutely nothing childlike about her and she is very beyond her years -> Gamma. IEE and Se ego alike can wear bold clothing but her style is way too put together for an IEE IMO and:

    "If I'm in a bad mood, or if I'm uncomfortable, it's probably what I'm wearing that's making me feel that way."

    ^This is the definition of base Fi, lol. Only they have this extreme of a connection to what makes their identity; yes so does creative Fi but this is almost over the top. Her physical presence is also quite strong in my eyes. I think the IEE typings are solely a case of viewing her -Fi and +Fe. 469 tritype as well which is far more common in ESI; when I think of IEE 4 I generally picture an IEE-Fi 478 Sx/So because those are truly the only kind that I’ve encountered. Think Harley Quinn: Billie’s personality is the opposite of that if anything, the only similarity is an appreciation of “darkness” or “edginess”.

    Her style of dressing screams “go away” or “do not disturb me”, whereas an IEE has a much more open and warm feel.

    Lastly, her temperament is extremely stable, to the point that I have also considered 9w8 as her core type and it’s definitely a major fix in her. IEE is the most obviously restless, scattered type in socionics from what I’ve gathered. They are constantly chasing butterflies so to speak. Billie comes off as grounded and sure of herself, and not inclined to fidget. Quite frankly, I think IEE is a shit typing for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flames View Post
    No fair
    You really know how to make me cry
    When you gimme those ocean eyes
    I'm scared

    I've never fallen from quite this high
    Falling into your ocean eyes
    Those ocean eyes”

    ^This has ExI written ALL over it, I don’t see how it’s not obvious.
    Her EIE brother wrote this whole song. ^

    I'll respond to rest of this later. You shouldn't use her songs as reference though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    Her EIE brother wrote this whole song. ^

    I'll respond to rest of this later. You shouldn't use her songs as reference though.
    Fair enough, though everything else I said still stands.
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