So, basically mini Scarlett Johansson.
So, basically mini Scarlett Johansson.
9w8 seems like the best fit. She has a mostly present, kind of kooky or not here energy like most 9s. She’s rather silly and positive despite saying she’s melancholy, which any type can be. 9 is known for causing type confusion. She is obviously some order of 469.
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
I don't like her, she gives me weird vibes. I'm guessing IEI
She seems beta irrational, I would think IEI just cuz female
But something makes me think SLE is viable.
I'm going with SLE, and she seems extroverted, sensing and Fe valuing
“I had a dream
I got everything I wanted
But when I wake up, I see
You with me
And you say, "As long as I'm here
No one can hurt you
Don't wanna lie here
But you can learn to
If I could change
The way that you see yourself
You wouldn't wonder why you're here
They don't deserve you"
I tried to scream
But my head was underwater
They called me weak
Like I'm not just somebody's daughter”
^Splatter of Fi
Based on a dream she had of killing her self
The overload of relations to others and the self
What say you, @Alonzo
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
I know a dual when I see one, she's IEI-Fe
I love her music and personality. She bears a great deal of resemblance to some SLE/SEE I know (leaning Gamma and SEE), though I wouldn't be surprised if IEI or ESI. I imagine that much of her musical style is also influenced by her brother who is probably Beta.
Feels very -oriented: lyrics are typically gritty, in-your-face and possess a sense of gravity I find less commonly in -valuing quadras.
Her interviews in general reveal frenetic, deliberately unstructured energy one may associate with EP temperament. She seems to be acutely aware of how she comes across and fine-tunes her persona accordingly (may be NTR, esp. as an artist, but makes me lean SEE > SLE).
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She seems kind of ditzy sometimes in interviews and maybe a tritype 479. What sociotype would that match well with?
previously Megadoodoo
LSI; Static, Positive.
IEI-Fe or EIE. Beta and Se valuing but I'm not really seeing the Se ego.
Changed my mind; 9w8 is a very good typing for her. She's a very gutty person. I thought she was simply drugged up, lol, but she just is very sloth-like. Though I'm sure the drugs don't help... Fukkin drugged up zombies. Anyway.. she didn't even want to do music, she just went along. How quaint. What a culture.
LSI is laughable though, as is EIE: she is a perceiver lead. She carries just about zero tension in her body.
Say no to drugs, kids.
Fe-IEI 9w8 with 4w3 fix mb? Seems retarded, spoiled and annoying
IEI imo
Her way of dressing looks like Si role not Polr, she is IP temperament, very chill all the time, also the video Bad guy for me is a great example of SLE-IEI duality romance.
The whole song and video about her is playing around with SE ego aggressors and being adapt at the power games they are playing, keeping an innocent front and outmaneuvering them by superior intuition.
The dancing around in her video pictures this good, also the sitting on his back while him doing Pushups when it first looked like she was giving head for a split second in the end.
Using your brains and intuition to make SE egos assert themselves in a way you enjoy.
The whole song is an example of the victims attitude of 'control me if you can'.
super expressive/charming but not someone i could probably get along with. beta vibes. IEI-Fe/EIE
I might be wrong but she reminds me of ILE teenage girl that just discovered she doesn't fit female stereotypes and is trying to act like a SLE girl/ILE boy to rebel. This or she really is person and I am just being mean.
I hate her image it is NOT attractive. I also think she probably has people pushing the image on to her so it is a little over-exaggerated. Se-ego of some sort. I think gamma SF. She is very pseudo-deep, granted she is also what, 19 or 20? She is a typical 19 or 20 year old of any generation. I do not find her interesting or unique, to be honest, but obviously something about her speaks to current teenagers.
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She's a hard one. I know a girl verrry similar to her, in character and appearance, me and my ILI friend don't like her because we see her true colors (pretentious, put on tears to gain ppl sympathies, very jealous and would cry if you talk about something you have while she doesn't have it... etc) + my LSI friend likes her and admires her (fake to me) qualities.
Maybe EIE... If not EIE, SEE (even though I don't see them as being fake, but maybe her EIE brother affected her and now she seems beta).
https://youtu.be/YavL_IVSGV4
SLE based off of this video. She jokes about people based off of their group characteristics such as “You give an ugly guy a chance, he thinks he rules the world. Because they got a hot girl, they think they can be horrible? Like, you’re still ugly though.”
She can be pretty vulgar and her music videos and image are meant to be provocative and she of course is an artist so that influences how she presents herself. There are other examples where she shows what I believe are aristocratic tendencies like when she talks about pooping and sleepwalking. She also seems like the antithesis of an EII.
I am leaning much towards SEE for her now.
I don't know how much creative freedom she has, but Bad Guy is literally the official Ni-victim song.
IEI from her eyes. And then IEI love ESI, she loves Justin Beiber, and is gonna like ESI style. Brother Finneas looks EII. I think her mom is EII and her dad is SLI. Usually IEI has an Si dom mom, but it’s her dad is Si dom.
I like how she says she would beat up Finneas if they were in public school haha. I saw her on YouTube live in Mexico she has enormous presence, the audience was really moved.
Sorry run on sentence. She was joking about Finneas it’s something like an inside joke in their family and about why Finneas was home schooled.
The enormous presence part is Se doms and Esfps in her audience pick up IEI emotion. It’s spooky. It’s Ni which is rare and not understood by other types.
The presence is reliant on Se leads (“AND Esfps”?? Esfps *are* Se leads... this is like saying “fruits AND apples”) picking up on her emotion? So if there weren’t any Se leads there, she’d have no presence?
Usually people associate those things you mentioned with Se ego.
I’ve met her and she’s Beta NF. She’s very Ni oriented and dreamy, and much of her team does all the Te stuff for her and manage her career. She knows how to use Fe very well and value it, just that her “misunderstood” teenage persona thing seems like it’s forced or pushed but she is actually really sincere. She’s very self-conscious and wants to be valued for her artistry, NOT her appearances so she purposely chose baggy clothes to prevent being sexualized. I can’t decide if she’s IEI or EIE, but from my interaction with her, I’d say she’s EIE.
How can you conclude that people only see their functions, when drawing that conclusion would rely on you having to gauge people seeing functions that they have that you do not? And are you claiming that people don't recognize someone who leads with their POLR? That typically seems to a be function people pick up on very quickly in others, even if they do not know anything about socionics.
Oh God, I feel as though those adjectives are a bit of a stretch. She talks like almost every other girl between the ages of 17-21 that I have ever met, and that is not a compliment.
People say BETA NF due to "weirdness," but I do not find her particularly original or creative at all, and the weirdness seems, I dunno, awkward more than anything, and very forced. What has she done that no one else has done? And what unique vision/perspective has she pushed? Nothing. Put her in a standard "LA white girl" outfit and no one would think that she's weird and quirky - she would just be another late teen/early 20 "influencer"
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Gamma extrovert.
Sorry to anybody who likes her but she's a bit too Illuminati Whore-ish for my tastes. ((well so is Kylie Minogue and I love Kylie but not this woman so I mean, must be something deeper I guess.))
And she liked Justin Bieber so much growing up her parents considered taking her to therapy for it? LOL I would agree with that...
To be fair though she is sooo young (jeesh born in 2001?) so I will judge her more accurately when she's in her mid 30s or so. lol. She's still in that very youthful stage where she enjoys trolling people.
Her voice is so boyish as well. I can see her being a FtM trans later on in life.
I met her over a year ago and it was very brief. I mean, there’s not much for me to say about it. She’s not as withdrawn as she appears to be and I think she does put up a front that she’s tough. But keep in mind she was 17 when I met her so she’s also really young and the “act tough” is likely more indicative of being a teenager than type. I mean she seemed normal to me and wasn’t sending off weird vibes or bad energy. She’s been very protected by her family and they also tailor her image too. But as a person when I met her, she’s pretty relaxed and socialized with others pretty well (although I’m not sure if that’s her upbringing or she’s naturally good in that arena).
Billie Eilish - ESTP Zhukov
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Beta NF + IP temperament = IEI; look at the content of her songs, pretty intuitive.
1. INTP (could be her look or)
2. INFP.
I'm attracted to her so that means something. Also she's too weak to be anything Se--all her songs are about how she's the bad guy and he's the good (girl).. unless zhukovs want to admit that they're some kind of pansy men I'll take a pseudo-aggressor for her kthx
Her songs come across as confusing to me sometimes and she's half my age, and yet they hit somewhere close to home in my gut. Like she's punching (or nudging, whatev) me there. I also think she's being marketed improperly and that she needs a new manager. Girls her age shouldn't be singing about the things she's talking about! They should be out and about having fun - something she has said she couldn't do anymore because of her rise to fame. Like someone else said, she rose to fame too early (I'm thinking her brother has something to do with this but who knows. No one else in her family is a Gamma or Beta)