Mars in 1st house according to what? As far as I know, she has Mars in 12th.
Mars in 1st house according to what? As far as I know, she has Mars in 12th.
maybe she's using whole houses
@Pawste. Yes, I'm using whole house system. I have most of my planets moved because of my shift from Placidus to Whole House, and I found the latter to be much more accurate so I decided to follow it.
But you have to agree Billie does things which are very typical for Mars in 1st house. Tomboyish, athletic, confident, cocky, "aggressively being herself" (so she thinks) are traits of Mars in 1st house. But her clothing style is combined in a very... strange way, which is a trait of EIE.
Astrology aside, this is typology forum so her whole personality is counted. I'm still vote up for EIE (ENFj).
Her 1 hit is kinda funky. To bad it will get overplayed 10 million times by Ryan Seacrest for the next 2 years until I punch the radio dial and say fuck the hits station
Se is perposterous. Blank eyed monosyllables doesnt mean Se. I bet her live shows suck without dat autotune. When I worked concerts teen girls like Avril all sounded like horse shit live.
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LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
your mileage may vary. it means that you might have made different experiences
I don't know anything about her type. I don't like her music except for fooling around to Bad Guy and memes made with that song.
But the strange thing is that I find her adorable as fuck. I want one like her and I promise I'll name her George.
Hope she won't end up in Tumblr's music industry garbage bin like Melanie Martinez.
“I want the following word: splendor, splendor is fruit in all its succulence, fruit without sadness. I want vast distances. My savage intuition of myself.”
― Clarice Lispector
SLE
SLE-Ti: Billie Eilish
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Typing
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EIE normalising subtype
IEI-Fe: Finneas O'Connell
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Se base. Leaning SLE. I'm not seeing much Fi.
7w6 core with 9 and 3. Head leads, not heart. In fact, she is heart last. Where's the type 4, people?...
J lead is impossible. She is a P type and an extrovert.
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I think she is an IEE-Ne. She acts very much like an IEE-Ne friend I have, especially the obvious “playing dumb” act. I don’t know how people confuse her Si seeking for strong Si.
I'd lean towards ESI. She reminds me a lot of Avril Lavigne when she was the same age, who I'm pretty sure is also ESI.
she looks IEE-Fi to me ...
I second reminds me of Scarlett Johansson. Was thinking the same thing this evening upon seeing this post.
I feel that she is ESI. I believe she is a crisp example of how ESI tend to set trends. Now that I think about it, I feel that the trendsetting ESI tends to be E4.
I agree with this. For IEE it's more about authenticity and individual flair, I don't think IEE's obsess on what they are going to wear, they just wear what is true to them and expresses their inner self, which usually isn't very hard for them to do and yes something like ears or glitter might be a part of that truthful self-expression lol. Don't think they are usually the type big into brands or any of that shite
Yeah I noticed the baggy clothes and figured this could be Si valuing, so it’s interesting to see the real reasons behind it. I respect her choice to wear looser clothing.
ESI-Se
Combatitive Fi attitude comes first in everything she does. Clearly Se/Ni valuing in her music videos and lyrics.
“Bruises, on both my knees for you
Don’t say thank you or please
I do what I want when I'm wanting to
My soul? So cynical
So you're a tough guy
Like it really rough guy
Just can't get enough guy
Chest always so puffed guy
I'm that bad type
Make your mama sad type
Make your girlfriend mad tight
Might seduce your dad type
I'm the bad guy, duh”
Ne is not that straightforward and aggressive in its delivery. Has a goofy sense of humor in interviews which is not atypical of +Fe and Se subtype; being “quirky” does not = Ne. Very clearly introverted and IxFx:
“No fair
You really know how to make me cry
When you gimme those ocean eyes
I'm scared
I've never fallen from quite this high
Falling into your ocean eyes
Those ocean eyes”
^This has ExI written ALL over it, I don’t see how it’s not obvious. She has stated herself that she hates smiling: not a 4D Fe type, I could never imagine 4D Fe claiming that even if their Fe isn’t valued. VI isn’t always the best way to type but her eyes hold a ton of Fi and Ni in them -> Fi base + valued Ni. They look as if they’re staring directly into your soul which is a distinctly Fi and Ni trait IMO. IEE’s eyes and overall body language gives the impression that they’re “everywhere” at once, soaking in every trace of mental excitement. Very childlike. Very bright. There is absolutely nothing childlike about her and she is very beyond her years -> Gamma. IEE and Se ego alike can wear bold clothing but her style is way too put together for an IEE IMO and:
"If I'm in a bad mood, or if I'm uncomfortable, it's probably what I'm wearing that's making me feel that way."
^This is the definition of base Fi, lol. Only they have this extreme of a connection to what makes their identity; yes so does creative Fi but this is almost over the top. Her physical presence is also quite strong in my eyes. I think the IEE typings are solely a case of viewing her -Fi and +Fe. 469 tritype as well which is far more common in ESI; when I think of IEE 4 I generally picture an IEE-Fi 478 Sx/So because those are truly the only kind that I’ve encountered. Think Harley Quinn: Billie’s personality is the opposite of that if anything, the only similarity is an appreciation of “darkness” or “edginess”.
Her style of dressing screams “go away” or “do not disturb me”, whereas an IEE has a much more open and warm feel.
Lastly, her temperament is extremely stable, to the point that I have also considered 9w8 as her core type and it’s definitely a major fix in her. IEE is the most obviously restless, scattered type in socionics from what I’ve gathered. They are constantly chasing butterflies so to speak. Billie comes off as grounded and sure of herself, and not inclined to fidget. Quite frankly, I think IEE is a shit typing for her.
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The way she dresses and her music means nothing honestly. She has a team behind her. The way she responds to questions about her style implies that she is not making these decisions herself. If she really had a style she would be able to articulate it and not just skip the question every time. She probably does not want to look a certain way, so I wouldn't say she is being exploited, but they probably give her a few choices to choose from to support her brand.
I do think Se ego is obvious. You can't teach gait and presence. She doesn't seem physically vulnerable. SLE is actually a good type, just from my impression of her. I'm not really sure of it, but it's not a bad guess.
Also, re: baggy clothes, I think the major component of that is her not wanting to be sexualized. I recall the like, one time she actually let her figure be shown everyone was going crazy over it.
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
If you valued VI you'd be able to see that she is Se lead and expresses Ti/Fe. Fi does not smile the way she does. Plus, her looseness in her gestures are just not Ji heavy.
She is core type 7, as is the character Harley Quinn, and they have much more in common than general edge. They are both impulsive head types whose identity is not deeply detailed, which is opposite from 4. I don't understand the typing of 4 for her as this woman shows very little in the area of identity creation outside the area of fame, which is more type 3 anyway.469 tritype as well which is far more common in ESI; when I think of IEE 4 I generally picture an IEE-Fi 478 Sx/So because those are truly the only kind that I’ve encountered. Think Harley Quinn: Billie’s personality is the opposite of that if anything, the only similarity is an appreciation of “darkness” or “edginess”.
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@flames did she say why she hates smiling? there could be other reasons behind this, such as insecurity about teeth. i know i smile way more than i used to, also just noticed she's 17...
Yeah Winnie, things like this I think are things people neglect to pay attention to sometimes when typing. I started smiling more because I just became less concerned with my teeth's appearance, but then also I ended up getting braces, pretty late in my life lol, in bigger part I think due to dental issues I wanted corrected. Someone not smiling doesn't necessarily indicate being Fe ignoring.
Honestly though Winnie, as you know, we are all our own worst critics. A lot of times having a different smile is quite endearing to people.
Billie's age I personally think would make her harder to type. Sounds like she's had a lot of influence surrounding her in how she comes off, though I do see all the indicators of Se valuing. Lol, her hair is rather IEE-like anyway, in both colors and styles. All kinds of types do crazy stuff with their hair though nowadays. I've seen where someone with Se interests actually turns out to be Si valuing though, so idk... she does have the "tough" girl demeanor though and I agree that her presence and gait would be a stronger indicator more than her hair, lyrics (written by someone else) etc.
i think she might be 9w8. she's very agreeable and chill. she also seems "out of it" and in her own little world. i get so much positive triad vibes from her.
The reason why I'm typed as ILI by some forum members after I posted a picture of myself showing a dead serious facial expression. But that's for an other thread...
Maybe. I can't tell if this is true for all people, but I guess I'm rather self-critical.
I think SLE is still a better typing than IEE.
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Yeah, I don't know much about her or pay attention to her to tell you the truth so it's hard to say. I was wondering why she always looks high though lol. Knowing her background, what kind of neighborhood she comes from, etc. could be helpful. I know someone who had a kind of tough guy persona like her based on who he was was friends with, insecurities and such, but I would never type him SLE having known him quite well. For him I was actually undecided between IEE, SEE and he got VI'ed as potential ESI, haha. I typed him E9 lol.