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    The way she dresses and her music means nothing honestly. She has a team behind her. The way she responds to questions about her style implies that she is not making these decisions herself. If she really had a style she would be able to articulate it and not just skip the question every time. She probably does not want to look a certain way, so I wouldn't say she is being exploited, but they probably give her a few choices to choose from to support her brand.

    I do think Se ego is obvious. You can't teach gait and presence. She doesn't seem physically vulnerable. SLE is actually a good type, just from my impression of her. I'm not really sure of it, but it's not a bad guess.

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    Also, re: baggy clothes, I think the major component of that is her not wanting to be sexualized. I recall the like, one time she actually let her figure be shown everyone was going crazy over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flames View Post
    ^This has ExI written ALL over it, I don’t see how it’s not obvious. She has stated herself that she hates smiling: not a 4D Fe type, I could never imagine 4D Fe claiming that even if their Fe isn’t valued. VI isn’t always the best way to type but her eyes hold a ton of Fi and Ni in them -> Fi base + valued Ni. They look as if they’re staring directly into your soul which is a distinctly Fi and Ni trait IMO. IEE’s eyes and overall body language gives the impression that they’re “everywhere” at once, soaking in every trace of mental excitement. Very childlike. Very bright.
    If you valued VI you'd be able to see that she is Se lead and expresses Ti/Fe. Fi does not smile the way she does. Plus, her looseness in her gestures are just not Ji heavy.

    469 tritype as well which is far more common in ESI; when I think of IEE 4 I generally picture an IEE-Fi 478 Sx/So because those are truly the only kind that I’ve encountered. Think Harley Quinn: Billie’s personality is the opposite of that if anything, the only similarity is an appreciation of “darkness” or “edginess”.
    She is core type 7, as is the character Harley Quinn, and they have much more in common than general edge. They are both impulsive head types whose identity is not deeply detailed, which is opposite from 4. I don't understand the typing of 4 for her as this woman shows very little in the area of identity creation outside the area of fame, which is more type 3 anyway.
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    @flames did she say why she hates smiling? there could be other reasons behind this, such as insecurity about teeth. i know i smile way more than i used to, also just noticed she's 17...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    ... hates smiling? there could be other reasons behind this, such as insecurity about teeth...
    Yeah. You basically describe me. My tooths resisted every attempt of aligning them using braces. So I don't like to show my crooked teeth.

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    Yeah Winnie, things like this I think are things people neglect to pay attention to sometimes when typing. I started smiling more because I just became less concerned with my teeth's appearance, but then also I ended up getting braces, pretty late in my life lol, in bigger part I think due to dental issues I wanted corrected. Someone not smiling doesn't necessarily indicate being Fe ignoring.

    Honestly though Winnie, as you know, we are all our own worst critics. A lot of times having a different smile is quite endearing to people.

    Billie's age I personally think would make her harder to type. Sounds like she's had a lot of influence surrounding her in how she comes off, though I do see all the indicators of Se valuing. Lol, her hair is rather IEE-like anyway, in both colors and styles. All kinds of types do crazy stuff with their hair though nowadays. I've seen where someone with Se interests actually turns out to be Si valuing though, so idk... she does have the "tough" girl demeanor though and I agree that her presence and gait would be a stronger indicator more than her hair, lyrics (written by someone else) etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Yeah. You basically describe me. My tooths resisted every attempt of aligning them using braces. So I don't like to show my crooked teeth.

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    i think she might be 9w8. she's very agreeable and chill. she also seems "out of it" and in her own little world. i get so much positive triad vibes from her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    Yeah Winnie, things like this I think are things people neglect to pay attention to sometimes when typing... Someone not smiling doesn't necessarily indicate being Fe ignoring.
    The reason why I'm typed as ILI by some forum members after I posted a picture of myself showing a dead serious facial expression. But that's for an other thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    Honestly though Winnie, as you know, we are all our own worst critics.
    Maybe. I can't tell if this is true for all people, but I guess I'm rather self-critical.

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    I think SLE is still a better typing than IEE.
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    Yeah, I don't know much about her or pay attention to her to tell you the truth so it's hard to say. I was wondering why she always looks high though lol. Knowing her background, what kind of neighborhood she comes from, etc. could be helpful. I know someone who had a kind of tough guy persona like her based on who he was was friends with, insecurities and such, but I would never type him SLE having known him quite well. For him I was actually undecided between IEE, SEE and he got VI'ed as potential ESI, haha. I typed him E9 lol.

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    So, basically mini Scarlett Johansson.

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    9w8 seems like the best fit. She has a mostly present, kind of kooky or not here energy like most 9s. She’s rather silly and positive despite saying she’s melancholy, which any type can be. 9 is known for causing type confusion. She is obviously some order of 469.
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    I don't like her, she gives me weird vibes. I'm guessing IEI

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    She seems beta irrational, I would think IEI just cuz female

    But something makes me think SLE is viable.

    I'm going with SLE, and she seems extroverted, sensing and Fe valuing

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    “I had a dream
    I got everything I wanted
    But when I wake up, I see
    You with me

    And you say, "As long as I'm here
    No one can hurt you
    Don't wanna lie here
    But you can learn to
    If I could change
    The way that you see yourself
    You wouldn't wonder why you're here
    They don't deserve you"

    I tried to scream
    But my head was underwater
    They called me weak
    Like I'm not just somebody's daughter”


    ^Splatter of Fi
    Based on a dream she had of killing her self
    The overload of relations to others and the self

    What say you, @Alonzo
    And I'm what you desire, like a siren in the night



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    I know a dual when I see one, she's IEI-Fe

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    I love her music and personality. She bears a great deal of resemblance to some SLE/SEE I know (leaning Gamma and SEE), though I wouldn't be surprised if IEI or ESI. I imagine that much of her musical style is also influenced by her brother who is probably Beta.

    Feels very -oriented: lyrics are typically gritty, in-your-face and possess a sense of gravity I find less commonly in -valuing quadras.

    Her interviews in general reveal frenetic, deliberately unstructured energy one may associate with EP temperament. She seems to be acutely aware of how she comes across and fine-tunes her persona accordingly (may be NTR, esp. as an artist, but makes me lean SEE > SLE).
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    She seems kind of ditzy sometimes in interviews and maybe a tritype 479. What sociotype would that match well with?
    previously Megadoodoo

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    LSI; Static, Positive.

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    IEI-Fe or EIE. Beta and Se valuing but I'm not really seeing the Se ego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valhalla View Post
    So, basically mini Scarlett Johansson.
    That's actually a decent description of her. Both became famous rather young due to behind-the-scenes influence and both try to appear more artsy and independent-minded than they truly are. And they do look a bit alike.

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    Changed my mind; 9w8 is a very good typing for her. She's a very gutty person. I thought she was simply drugged up, lol, but she just is very sloth-like. Though I'm sure the drugs don't help... Fukkin drugged up zombies. Anyway.. she didn't even want to do music, she just went along. How quaint. What a culture.

    LSI is laughable though, as is EIE: she is a perceiver lead. She carries just about zero tension in her body.

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    Fe-IEI 9w8 with 4w3 fix mb? Seems retarded, spoiled and annoying

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    IEI imo

    Her way of dressing looks like Si role not Polr, she is IP temperament, very chill all the time, also the video Bad guy for me is a great example of SLE-IEI duality romance.


    [Verse 1]
    White shirt now red, my bloody nose
    Sleepin', you're on your tippy toes
    Creepin' around like no one knows
    Think you're so criminal
    Bruises on both my knees for you
    Don't say thank you or please
    I do what I want when I'm wanting to
    My soul? So cynical

    [Chorus]
    So you're a tough guy
    Like it really rough guy
    Just can't get enough guy
    Chest always so puffed guy
    I'm that bad type
    Make your mama sad type
    Make your girlfriend mad tight
    Might seduce your dad type
    I'm the bad guy
    Duh

    [Post-Chorus]
    I'm the bad guy

    [Verse 2]
    I like it when you take control
    Even if you know that you don't
    Own me, I'll let you play the role
    I'll be your animal
    My mommy likes to sing along with me
    But she won't sing this song
    If she reads all the lyrics
    She'll pity the men I know

    [Chorus]
    So you're a tough guy
    Like it really rough guy
    Just can't get enough guy
    Chest always so puffed guy
    I'm that bad type
    Make your mama sad type
    Make your girlfriend mad tight
    Might seduce your dad type
    I'm the bad guy
    Duh

    [Post-Chorus]
    I'm the bad guy, duh
    I'm only good at bein' bad, bad

    [Bridge]
    I like when you get mad
    I guess I'm pretty glad that you're alone
    You said she's scared of me?
    I mean, I don't see what she sees
    But maybe it's 'cause I'm wearing your cologne

    [Outro]
    I'm a bad guy
    I'm, I'm a bad guy
    Bad guy, bad guy
    I'm a bad


    The whole song and video about her is playing around with SE ego aggressors and being adapt at the power games they are playing, keeping an innocent front and outmaneuvering them by superior intuition.
    The dancing around in her video pictures this good, also the sitting on his back while him doing Pushups when it first looked like she was giving head for a split second in the end.
    Using your brains and intuition to make SE egos assert themselves in a way you enjoy.
    The whole song is an example of the victims attitude of 'control me if you can'.

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    she's seemingly certain/well comfy in her skin for someone so young ...not vibing IEI , or victim type in my opinion. i rather see her as aggressor & inhabiting the present, talking about tangible S stuff, places , events ;-)



    https://youtu.be/CU-Q1TUeTF0?t=98
    here says "yk now when you're walking down the street and a stranger looks at you / they smile at you and you're supposed to smile back ? ..who came up with that ?! i never gave consent to smile back at you ...so then it's like, if i don't smile back at you , i'm considered a shitty person "

    charming in her sassiness of course
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    super expressive/charming but not someone i could probably get along with. beta vibes. IEI-Fe/EIE

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    I might be wrong but she reminds me of ILE teenage girl that just discovered she doesn't fit female stereotypes and is trying to act like a SLE girl/ILE boy to rebel. This or she really is person and I am just being mean.

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    I hate her image it is NOT attractive. I also think she probably has people pushing the image on to her so it is a little over-exaggerated. Se-ego of some sort. I think gamma SF. She is very pseudo-deep, granted she is also what, 19 or 20? She is a typical 19 or 20 year old of any generation. I do not find her interesting or unique, to be honest, but obviously something about her speaks to current teenagers.
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    She's a hard one. I know a girl verrry similar to her, in character and appearance, me and my ILI friend don't like her because we see her true colors (pretentious, put on tears to gain ppl sympathies, very jealous and would cry if you talk about something you have while she doesn't have it... etc) + my LSI friend likes her and admires her (fake to me) qualities.

    Maybe EIE... If not EIE, SEE (even though I don't see them as being fake, but maybe her EIE brother affected her and now she seems beta).

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    https://youtu.be/YavL_IVSGV4

    SLE based off of this video. She jokes about people based off of their group characteristics such as “You give an ugly guy a chance, he thinks he rules the world. Because they got a hot girl, they think they can be horrible? Like, you’re still ugly though.”

    She can be pretty vulgar and her music videos and image are meant to be provocative and she of course is an artist so that influences how she presents herself. There are other examples where she shows what I believe are aristocratic tendencies like when she talks about pooping and sleepwalking. She also seems like the antithesis of an EII.

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    I am leaning much towards SEE for her now.

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    She reminds me of SEEs I know. I think she is gamma SF.

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    I do agree with Gamma SF so far. She was just a teenager who got thrust into 15 minutes of fame due to a viral hit, and she saw this as an opportunity to get actually famous and rich. She most likely says a lot of fake deep nonsense that she thinks is funny to enthrall kids, teenagers, and music critics (mb demonstrative Fe?). I do think people saying "this is of the Fe charisma" are being stereotypical. I mean, look at her work ethic. She consecutively and consistently put out "bops" and "bangers" with an aesthetically pleasing enough sound to get mainstream, but she's also just perfectly distinct enough in sound, image, and demeanor to drastically set her apart from her contemporaries and competition, to cement herself as a distinguished pop star and make a name. Which again, leads me to Gamma SF because of her consistent drive to succeed, to put out hits, and to differentiate herself from her contemporaries.

    I look at musicians that are typed Beta NF, and their work ethic and album output usually isn't very consistent since they usually don't have a drive that's as strong as Gamma SFs. St Vincent, Gaga, Fiona Apple, Chelsea Wolfe, so on. The typical pattern for Beta NF musicians is: Go into a lull > Become inspired > Put their heart into their work > Release something. And it usually takes them a couple of odd years to do so. But Billie is somewhat reminding me of Rihanna when she first debuted, releasing consistently and always staying on top while keeping a individualistic image, not a overly bizarre or shocking image like Beta NF musicians usually do. Time will tell, though.
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    I don't know how much creative freedom she has, but Bad Guy is literally the official Ni-victim song.

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