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    Was just reading an article and it was funny that they compared the quadras to the 4 elements: air, fire, water, earth.

    Alpha being air, floaty, can go in any direction, light (Ti, Ne)
    Beta being fire, destroying, forceful (Se, Ti)
    Gamma being water, cooling off, looking into the future (Te, Ni)
    Delta being earth, reaching groundedness, stabilizing (Si, Te)

    So basically the theory says society goes through stages characterized by quadravalues.
    Alpha inventing ideas, ideologies, inventions which they can pass onto their neighbouring quadra (beta) through ti, which can then forcefully apply, destroying the old system and replacing it with something better. Then gamma steps in, making it more thinking how thry can apply the system longtermwise, when finally delta steps in to make the system work on a day to day basis, untill ab alpha finds something better again.

    This also explains why alpha and gamma are opposing quadras. Alpha wants to invent something new, and gamma wants to optimize an existing system.
    Then beta wants to enforce the new system to be the dominant one, while delta wants to stay put and keep the existing system in check and rolling.

    This doesn't exactly explain why most feminists seem to be delta NF (or at least they type themselves so on forum). Because if delta is so grounded, then why are they trying to destroy a previous system where men were rulers and had more rights than women? Or are the quadras not that black and white? Or are those delta NFs actually beta?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrup View Post
    Air, fire, water, earth, sounds like the god of forces, occultism etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarper View Post
    Air, fire, water, earth, sounds like the god of forces, occultism etc.
    Who knows who this god of forces is, I don't know him and I don't think he exists even if some ppl believes in it. Anyway, the elements are being used to exemplify quadra values, if you want to take out the elements its ok, just call it quadra and look into the descriptions. I don't think those elements are part of theory or they were the point in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrup View Post
    Who knows who this god of forces is, I don't know him and I don't think he exists even if some ppl believes in it. Anyway, the elements are being used to exemplify quadra values, if you want to take out the elements its ok, just call it quadra and look into the descriptions. I don't think those elements are part of theory or they were the point in this thread.
    It's the Bible, Daniel 11:38, referring to familiar spirits, stuff like this, elemental Tao symbolism, mysticism, tarot etc covers it. Anyway, it should apply to Christians.

    Just thought you'd get it since you mentioned previously on a thread you are a Christian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarper View Post
    It's the Bible, Daniel 11:38, referring to familiar spirits, stuff like this, elemental Tao symbolism, mysticism, tarot etc covers it. Anyway, it should apply to Christians.

    Just thought you'd get it since you mentioned previously on a thread you are a Christian
    In the rest of the bibles and the original says fortresses not forces, in any case I don't know why you think its related to those elements that actually, exist in the earth (obviously no one is worshiping them).
    “of forces:” מָֽעֻזִּ֔ים A fortified place; figuratively, a defense

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    I think you answered your own question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    I think you answered your own question
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    Well, it is kind of weird since when you cross a quadra you'll end up having misinterpretations of the information and its applicability or execution.

    Still gamma ways scares living daylight out of me. Standardized sterilized stuff gets in the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    This doesn't exactly explain why most feminists seem to be delta NF (or at least they type themselves so on forum). Because if delta is so grounded, then why are they trying to destroy a previous system where men were rulers and had more rights than women? Or are the quadras not that black and white? Or are those delta NFs actually beta?
    IME, many Delta feminists uphold the system they were given by their family or schooling. The precedent set by their personal experiences override the orthodoxy of ages past. In other words, they have groundedness, but it's based on relative circumstances.

    Also, I think there's something to be said for the difference between Fi/Ne ego vs. Te/Si ego. Fi/Ne isn't the reason delta is listed as "earth", so the Fi/Ne ego ones have more airy qualities.

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    The theory is nonesense (ie quadra progression), when you consider the big brother concept was written by a Delta.

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    inasmuch as anyone wants to dissociate themselves with things viewed as bad the discussion as to what quadra "x" belongs will never end, suffice to say precisely what personality measures is how people understand and manifest versions of ideas (and "bad" is inherently equated to "not mine" or "the other" it is defined in distinction to "ones own", to not do so would be like claiming a disease as identical to ones body--in other words it is natural to dissociate ourselves from what we view as corrupt). its their personal twist on whatever is at hand. in any case, you can say there's a beta and delta version of SJWism just like theres a beta and delta version of Christianity and capitalism and so on and so forth. While we associate capitalism in its pure form as a gamma way of living life, the way a society goes about implementing their version of that idea is varied. so you get arguments "no ones actually done communism correctly" or "the US is no longer a free market economy" etc etc. with SJWism you have an ethical stance toward the world, but like indulgences when introduced to Christianity you sort of have to ask yourself is this really the essence of the religion or has it transformed into something different somewhere along the way? inasmuch as SJWism exhibits traits defined as beta you can say its starting to transform into a beta movement. central organization, militancy, orthodoxy, dogma, this kind of stuff is all the way beta goes about regulating things. to say delta is interested in orthodoxy is not so much in developing and imposing it but simply taking it for granted as something long established. its a passive attitude toward orthodoxy whereas beta is more active in its attitude toward the same thing, it is forward looking, trying to develop it and extend it in time Ni/Se. inasmuch as quadral progression factors into it you can say beta has an outlook of a movement in its youth looking forward to what it can accomplish with the idea and the movement. whereas delta looks at it as something that has happened and they are on the far side of it. in that sense delta inasmuch as such a thing can be generalized to a group isn't really identified with the prevailing stage of SJWism as a movement, although it may in some sense represent a hardening of a delta lifestyle. inasmuch as you can't harden such a thing, its not longer really delta. that's what so ironic about SJWism its this sort of "intolerant" doctrine of radical tolerance. contradictory tension of that kind is like the very calling card of a quadral shift in the process of transformation. it sort of calls out for a dialectical resolution of itself before it can really establish itself in such a way that comes as a savior and not a conqueror. that is also precisely the moment, by the way, when people will stop trying to "pin" SJWism on a quadra and then will switch to every quadra trying to "claim" the movement for its own

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    Beta being fire, destroying, forceful (Se, Ti)
    Well, I am a flamer...

    This doesn't exactly explain why most feminists seem to be delta NF (or at least they type themselves so on forum).
    I think all-in-all this is very NTR, although delta IEE feminists tend to be very prominent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post

    This doesn't exactly explain why most feminists seem to be delta NF (or at least they type themselves so on forum). Because if delta is so grounded, then why are they trying to destroy a previous system where men were rulers and had more rights than women? Or are the quadras not that black and white? Or are those delta NFs actually beta?
    There are just 2 options:

    A) they are not Delta
    B) Social movements have nothing to do with types or cant be fixed to a single type or quadra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrup View Post
    There are just 2 options:

    A) they are not Delta
    B) Social movements has nothing to do with types or cant be fixed to a single type or quadra.
    or theyre beta there must be some common denominator. What I've noticed is a huge lack of Ti, aka consistency in the things they say logically
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    This doesn't exactly explain why most feminists seem to be delta NF (or at least they type themselves so on forum). Because if delta is so grounded, then why are they trying to destroy a previous system where men were rulers and had more rights than women? Or are the quadras not that black and white? Or are those delta NFs actually beta?









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    You might find this stuff interesting too:
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    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ase-appreciate (couple of people quoted the OP, worth a glance)
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