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    Quote Originally Posted by Chakram View Post
    Other than the fact that this thread seems to have a good amount of people from both left and right, where are you pulling fascism out of this? Do you think that everybody that doesn't hold the same opinions as you are immediately fascists?
    The left has a heavy demographic ranking system (with many competitions) where the higher you rank on the list, the more power you are given over the direction of the movement (as long as you are a part of it in the first place). Therefore, you only need to investigate the most "oppressed" members of the left and see what ideas they support to figure out where it will head next and why it is going there, as all members lower in the ranking system who disagree are deemed oppressive and kicked out to the roadside. This is a fear regulated social system based on competitions of who can convince the group of which demographic(s) needs the most care and attention, and since people want to help the weak and oppressed (without violating the expectations of the group), they feel a need to raise awareness as a sort of labor or servitude and fulfill the person's requests, no matter how increasingly petty and trivial they become. This is to pay off the debt of privilege or make the world a better place for those who really believe in it and gain social status/security for those who don't. As a result, there is a continuous demand for an elongating spectrum or "path" of leftism that tugs the right along with it on a generational basis due to the education system, corporations, etc. being focused on what the ranking system decides and telling everyone that they should be focused on it too. Since the right is pulled left, all rightist terminology like conservative, populist, fascist, nazi, etc. are pulled as well and become increasingly warped and lose their meaning due to having to fulfill the increasingly lower standards that the left requires of them.
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    Liberatarian right of course. We should be free to censor the media.

    No, kidding. Center leaning left. Slightly athoritarian or liberatarian depending on the test.
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    Right-wing because I see equality as immoral, Left-wing because I believe in progress and innovation rather than tradition.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    Right-wing because I see equality as immoral, Left-wing because I believe in progress and innovation rather than tradition.
    My views toward politics are not binary in the manner you seem to state here regarding yours, correct if me I'm wrong. Equality can be good or bad depending on an ass ton of variables and the method which it is achieve. Same goes for progress versus tradition. It all depends on whether those traditions have any value truly worth keeping, and if innovation will truly help us in the end.

    For example some traditions might look dumb and senseless on the surface but when you look at the grand effect of those traditions that could be playing a key role in making people's overall lives happier, even though it may not be visible or obvious. Progress isn't always good either. The industrial revolution made countless people's lives shitter and we currently live under the threat of a multitude of man-induced apocalypses that were made possible because of progress and innovation.

    Of course, I do think there are lot backwards non-beneficial traditions that we should discard and that there have been goods things that have come from innovation but I'm sure you get my point here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    My views toward politics are not binary in the manner you seem to state here regarding yours, correct if me I'm wrong. Equality can be good or bad depending on an ass ton of variables and the method which it is achieve. Same goes for progress versus tradition. It all depends on whether those traditions have any value truly worth keeping, and if innovation will truly help us in the end.

    For example some traditions might look dumb and senseless on the surface but when you look at the grand effect of those traditions that could be playing a key role in making people's overall lives happier, even though it may not be visible or obvious. Progress isn't always good either. The industrial revolution made countless people's lives shitter and we currently live under the threat of a multitude of man-induced apocalypses that were made possible because of progress and innovation.

    Of course, I do think there are lot backwards non-beneficial traditions that we should discard and that there have been goods things that have come from innovation but I'm sure you get my point here.
    I pretty much agree with what you're saying here.

    My post was purposefully stated in a binary manner to prove how stupid grouping people's views into "left" vs "right" is.

    Not that what I wrote was insencere, in terms of the content, just in how I said it.

    The reason I say equality is immoral is because I don't think it can be acheived in a large group of people. Perhaps the better term to describe ineqaulity would be unjust, rather than immoral. The consequences of trying to establish ineqaulity, though, such as communist regimes killing people in the name of equality (as per the idea of class struggle) is immoral, though, I should specify. Some formal equality can be maintained in small groups but even then it's only a formality to keep the group pacified.

    I agree about tradition. Some can be beneficial, but my point was that people tend to cling to traditions more for emotional reasons than because of reason. It kind of reminds me of Russel Kirk who I read about, he said that conservatism is more of a sensibility than something that is chosen purely out of reason. I could be miscontruing Kirk's views here but he seems to argue that emotional attachment is a justification for that thing being preserved. Obviously there are other factors that come into play whe considering if a tradition should be preserved, according to Kirk, at least I think.

    I basically disagree with this view, though; emotional attachment is not a valid justification for doing something a certain way. For example, earlier today on facebook my first girlfriend posted something about how some US schools were removing old school clocks from classrooms because kids didn't know how to read them. She seemed to regret this, and yeah, it's always better to know more than to know less, I could say the same about archeology. But knowing archeology is not necessary to make it in the world, and I think kids will do fine not knowing how to read old clocks. Think about it. The reason the clock is circular is because the first humans told time by inserting a stick in the ground and watching the shadow of the stick cast against the sunlight hitting the ground. This had a circular motion. This is also why the dials move in a circular pattern. The way most objects are designed does not reflect their function, because humans cling to tradition.

    As far as innovation and progress go, I agree that technology, which brings these things, can also bring equal amounts of disasters, depeding on how humans use it. I don't think the industrial revolution made people's lives worse though. I'm not saying the children working in mines during the 19th century had it easy, but I don't think plowing fields in cow manure (which is what they did before there were factories, mines, and soot) was the life, either, lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post

    The reason I say equality is immoral is because I don't think it can be achieved in a large group of people. Perhaps the better term to describe ineqaulity would be unjust, rather than immoral. The consequences of trying to establish ineqaulity, though, such as communist regimes killing people in the name of equality (as per the idea of class struggle) is immoral, though, I should specify. Some formal equality can be maintained in small groups but even then it's only a formality to keep the group pacified.
    Can't speak for other communist countries like Cambodia under Pol Pot as I simply don't know anything about them but The USSR and Communist China at least never killed people solely because of their class. The people they killed were either in support of opposing regimes or were actively resisting policies the communist were putting forth. The Ukrainian holodomar for example happened because the kulaks (wealthy farmers) resisted Stalin's policy of food collectivization and protested by killing their own livestock. The kulaks got sent to the gulags not because they were just bourgeoisie but because they resisted the law and caused others to starve in the process. In Mao's case the mass deaths were caused more by peasant confusion over how food would be provided to them under Mao which led to over consumption of what they had available. In both these cases these was also bad weather that devastated crops which obviously made the situations even worse.

    There could of course been some in ranks of USSR and China that carried out class motivated violence and were nutjobs, like every army has. The regimes themselves though never called for killing people based on class.

    You could however argue that the laws the communist put forth were too forceful and idealistic. This is what China learned after Mao and instead why they opted for a much slower but more feasible means of eventually achieving communism that they continue moving towards this day. The deaths all comes down to how it was executed and not the communist ideology itself.

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    http://www.politiscales.net/en_US/re...a=100&comp=100

    left/right is a false dichotomy. ideally, i'm for catholic monarchism.
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    I'm easily right....but I've made winter coats out of the lot of them....left, right, up, down....both sides has its share of gutless cowards. I remember when a swarm of Spanish thugs came charging through the park weapons in hand...I fired off a few warning shots (gratuitous) in the air just above them to let them know you come any further, you meet God. I won't get you all but a few I assure you I will...we go to hell together. I found my guys all hiding in a ditch once swarm retreated and dust settled. I hate that. If somebody shows backbone, they can believe the earth is flat and the sun is pluto...I'll give 'em more respect than I would to a coward who agreed with my politics hook, line and sinker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss BabyDoll View Post
    http://www.politiscales.net/en_US/re...a=100&comp=100

    left/right is a false dichotomy. ideally, i'm for catholic monarchism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oppai Anschluss View Post
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    Right Libertarian, according to political compass
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