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    Author of The Way of Men, A Sky Without Eagles and Becoming A Barbarian.



    I find him intriguing and many aspects of his philosophy and mindset useful.

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    He seems very attentative and generous. Very balanced and centered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remiel View Post

    SLE could be it. I've had some similar realizations before, that allowing oneself to be defined as "gay" and getting too attached to this label is potentially detrimental, as there is so much more about each individual while this limits their identity to this one aspect - that of their sexual orientation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    SLE could be it. I've had some similar realizations before, that allowing oneself to be defined as "gay" and getting too attached to this label is potentially detrimental, as there is so much more about each individual while this limits their identity to this one aspect - that of their sexual orientation.
    That's a much more Delta attitude.

    Let me explain the Beta attitude toward sexual orientation of men from an Eastern European standard: "You suck a dick, you're gay." It's pretty simple and straightforward.

    That said, ideas about sexuality are more political than Socionics related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    That's a much more Delta attitude.

    Let me explain the Beta attitude toward sexual orientation of men from an Eastern European standard: "You suck a dick, you're gay." It's pretty simple and straightforward.

    That said, ideas about sexuality are more political than Socionics related.
    I'm familiar with that attitude, but you gotta take the next step. Next step is realizing that it doesn't matter if they suck dick. It's none of your business either. Insisting on defining somebody by their sexual orientation creates an unhealthy fixation on what's really their private life. That's what this guy is trying to get across, and that's actually in part how Russian Federation goes about it - they don't put focus with gay parades, neither do they ban it or encourage prosecution of gay people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    I'm familiar with that attitude, but you gotta take the next step. (1)Next step is realizing that it doesn't matter if they suck dick. (2)It's none of your business either. (3)Insisting on defining somebody by their sexual orientation creates an unhealthy fixation on what's really their private life. That's what this guy is trying to get across, and that's actually in part how Russian Federation goes about it - they don't put focus with gay parades, neither do they ban it or encourage prosecution of gay people.
    (1) I never said it did.
    (2) I never said it was.
    (3) It's one thing to attribute a characteristic to someone and entirely another to say that a defining characteristic about someone makes up that person's entire identity. I never did that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    It's none of your business either.
    It is, as they can't create normal good families, what is important for good society. Some behave in general too close to other sex, what looks disgusting. To see abnormal sexual behavior also looks disgusting.
    Some of their pairs now even get for uprining normal children and can't give them the model of normal family, but give the model of abnormal relations - those kids seems to get later problems with lesser chances to create own good families [there should be researches].
    I may remind, that until 1989 homosexualism officially was thought as disorder. Since 60-90s it gets obsessive mass medias propaganda, which is against what most people would like to see.

    So it's lie of liberal dictatorship system about "none of your business" - as it is on individual and collective care levels. That system is anti-humanistic and supports a lot of harmful intentionally to supress the good potentional of the most people. In particular, liberals try to destroy families as this limits the external dictatorship influence on the people, supports collective humanistic thinking in them, protects them from external harm, besides supports higher possible birth/upbring number of people.

    That delta with Ne, Fi values may tolerate such differences _more_, even harmful to some degree, does not mean they do not care. Also delta lesser preferes force (Se) and direct social limits (Ti) as means to solve problems. Until someone does not show and does not do openly what other people do not like (Fi) - he'll get the acceptance, despite is known - this is delta.
    You have higher chances to meet homosexual behavior among Fe valued types, at now. As it still is asocial for modern European culture and people dislike (Fi) this, besides objective social issues it creates. The humanity will never accept this completely as this will stay alien to normal peoples nature. At maximum the propaganda may supress the surface show of the problem, like it did with the resistance to other doubtful or alien for the most people ideologies.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Yeah steroids makes you into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat View Post
    Yeah steroids makes you into this.
    Seems like a pretty simplistic way of reasoning.

    Did it make you feel small?

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    I'm sensing Gamma NT or LSE.

    Most likely in my mind right now is LIE-Ni.

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    Maybe EIE.

    Seems focused on gender qualities in a way I associate with beta Fe, for example one "becomes" a man through one's actions and attitudes (embodying certain traits). Fe in beta sees masculinity or femininity as something one becomes because they view masculinity or femininity as objective qualities, objects that exist outside oneself. So for example, one does not simply feel like a man: one is a man through embodying certain external (not physical but behavioral) traits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    Most likely in my mind right now is LIE-Ni.
    I would say Ni-EIE. He seems focused on external ethical triats (Fe) rather than on internally felt feelings (Fi).
    Last edited by Wavebury; 04-08-2018 at 09:26 PM.

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    mb ESI
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    I'm on board with his philosophy. Its the same thing I've said for years. You are not defined by your sexual identity. You are defined by what sort of person you are. Not a single thing in the gay community interests me what-so-ever. When I started coming out, I quickly learned that I couldn't stand other gay men, I couldn't stand anything that was going on, I found people caddy, bitchy, Queeny, oddly spiteful and jaded. The was when grindr started to kill any real community, where people were at least forced to meet in events, face to face. I knew exactly what was going to happen and I purposely avoided stepping onto the app. Don't get me wrong, I will have a quickie with someone I just met, BUT I WANT TO CONTROL the event. I want to be able to dictate how things will play out in real, person time. And I want to feel the shame and emptiness it brings and I want that event to teach my soul what it really needs. I want to feel empty so that I can understand that this sort of sex is really just a roundabout way to seek connection through release and that an orgasm is hallow, and borderline dangerous! Danger not only in the psycho-emotional sphere as these things are, but dangerous that you can just end up with disease, which causes even more remorse, fear, disapointment, and probably embarrasment, lost money, the list goes on and on.

    What do you stand for? Right? Those are the things I continually, everyday ask myself. And no, I'm not JUST saying that, that is actually a ligit conversation inside my head as the hours role on. Do you stand for the superficial? I'm not talking looks, self care, body building..I'm talking about what you stand for as an individual, as a person in your world.

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    lol Sol I'm absolutely sure what bothers you is the beta tendencies, delta homosexuals are probably all around you and don't even register

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    Sol is what left-wing collectivism looks like.

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    Sol only hates the bad homosexuals

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    Type threads on especially polarizing public figures are fascinating. You can learn almost as much, sometimes more, about the people commenting as you can about the subject of the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toynbee View Post
    Type threads on especially polarizing public figures are fascinating. You can learn almost as much, sometimes more, about the people commenting as you can about the subject of the thread.
    then you realize this applies to every individual interaction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    then you realize this applies to every individual interaction
    Erm, to varying degrees.

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    I hit sols post constructive by accident

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    His enlightenment stuff is so basic, haha. I like him a lot. He makes me laugh. And yeah, everything people say about him is true, still, I like hardcore Ni stuff.

    SLE, or ESI are great typings here.

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    @Remiel

    Did you listen to this one?


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    Here he is in Germany at Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzche's Tombstone.

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    It would not surprise me if this guy turned out to be SEE, some of his style is very white ethics. He vibes like Richard Crowe. Again, steroids makes everybody a sensor. He also seems Democratic Reinen to boot.

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    So weird, how this led me to a wolf. Start trusting the signs, they are everywhere.

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    There's a double standard with the not wanting to be defined by being gay thing. Straight people do this too all the time by talking about what person they like. etc. Or talking about their kids etc. They might not feel like they are throwing anything in anybody's face, but that's exactly what they do. There is often a type of conceit in heterosexuality, as many straights think they are above it all because their sexuality brings in children. As if they are more inherently moral or better people because they are straight. When in truth they are often cruel, condescending- and without heart. Of course not all straight people... A pride parade, as annoying as it is- is an attempt to even the playing field and I am actually a little glad that people don't like it. It's saying Good As You, look we can be obnoxiously proud about something that doesn't matter too. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

    I've never been to a pride parade before, but any parade or festival feels better than being uptight and neurotic all the time. /shrug

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnd View Post
    There's a double standard with the not wanting to be defined by being gay thing. Straight people do this too all the time by talking about what person they like. etc. Or talking about their kids etc. They might not feel like they are throwing anything in anybody's face, but that's exactly what they do. There is often a type of conceit in heterosexuality, as many straights think they are above it all because their sexuality brings in children. As if they are more inherently moral or better people because they are straight. When in truth they are often cruel, condescending- and without heart. Of course not all straight people... A pride parade, as annoying as it is- is an attempt to even the playing field and I am actually a little glad that people don't like it. It's saying Good As You, look we can be obnoxiously proud about something that doesn't matter too. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

    I've never been to a pride parade before, but any parade or festival feels better than being uptight and neurotic all the time. /shrug
    I agree, as a straight guy I see what you are describing all the time, people talk about their steady relationships, marriages, their kids, etc. There's nothing wrong with this, in and of itself, but it bugs me for two reasons: 1) It's unoriginal since they the people I am talking about do this all the time. 2) It's a status thing.

    Of course it's not all straight folks, but it does get old generally speaking. Also middle class people with kids are the worse. They think their kids are the center of the universe or something, they're usually pretty rude to you in favorof their kids. For example, in the neighbourhood I live in, it's a pretty middle class, economically well off part of town, and it's full of people who seem unimaginative and are all drawn into their boring little lives. Well, alot of these people have kids, and for example when they are pushing their toddlers in their strollers, they don't even budge to let you pass when you walk by, as if they had the privieldge to take up the whole sidewalk because they seem to think their kids are the center of the universe. This isn't just something I encountered once, it's very consistent.

    I think the real problem, wether it's for gay folks or straight folks, is conformity, most people follow what others are doing, they'd rather not explore who they could be, they'd rather just follow norms, it's easier that way.

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