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    [ILE is characterized by] lack of diplomacy and ability to "lick" in time.
    Truer words have never been spoken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Truer words have never been spoken.
    shit, I'm actually good at that.. when I want to. Usually I just like being edgy and politically incorrect for the lulz.

    maybe thats why I main Teemo.. winning is not enough, I must torment my and the enemy team as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Truer words have never been spoken.
    One could say: let's grill some minds. Ti slashes trough in unexpected ways.
    Measuring you right now

    Winning is for losers

     

    Sincerely yours,
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    Thanks for this post shotgunfingers

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    When you are using so many metrics it's highly probable that you will find something statistically significant (OR > 1). You have to use a Bonferroni correction for example... And then it fades. Few if any would be statistically significant here.

    Talanov should just easily use some bigger groupings/factors (like, uhhh, I/E, N/S and so on...; or maybe NTs, SFs...) to compare. Or replicate his studies once and once more.

    Moreover, you can look up that ILIs apparently both have a noted tendency to 'not gesticulate, but talk a lot' and 'not talk a lot'. Subtypes, blurry, poor methodology or what? I can still paint some picture from that, but it's questionable.


    Side note: Google Translate has problem with 'svoystvenny': it translates it as 'peculiar', but here it should be treated (as far as my Russian goes) as 'typical'. So, if 'something is not peculiar to ILI', it means 'it's not typical'. For example, for ILI it is more common than for EII that: 'shyness is not peculiar to him', which means than on average ILIs are typically not shy when compared to EIIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    When you are using so many metrics it's highly probable that you will find something statistically significant (OR > 1). You have to use a Bonferroni correction for example... And then it fades. Few if any would be statistically significant here.
    It's a balancing game, if you remove all statistical significance with too many corrections then those corrections have issues in themselves because they make the whole exercise useless by throwing out valid data. You can always add more filters but at some point the signal gets eaten up by the filter.

    I think these results are interesting, but of course require applying more than a grain of salt and common sense if you want to use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    It's a balancing game, if you remove all statistical significance with too many corrections then those corrections have issues in themselves because they make the whole exercise useless by throwing out valid data. You can always add more filters but at some point the signal gets eaten up by the filter.

    I think these results are interesting, but of course require applying more than a grain of salt and common sense if you want to use them.
    Yeah. Still, I think it's mediocre at best. And (potential) effect size is not high for most anyway. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...10911003650383

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    Yeah. Still, I think it's mediocre at best. And (potential) effect size is not high for most anyway. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...10911003650383
    I think it's an interesting dump of raw data, not processed conclusions that should be used without other more reliable information as context. You can sift through it and maybe you find something useful that can be used as yet another supporting viewpoint when dissecting the typical characteristics of types.

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    Where’s the English version
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Talanov: "EIE = gay"
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    For the ESI, the data has to have been at least 80% from Sensory subtype test takers. For the IEE, most of the data is from intuitive subtype test takers; the ethical subtype is generally detail oriented and more visually aware than that and generally likes nice things (the intuitive subtype is one of the least materialistic types). The intuitive subtype is mostly into science and humanities while the ethical subtype is mostly into drama/theater, art, and business; they're not as talkative and sociable on average as the Ne subtype is, but they have better social skills and higher IQ on average, they're a lot more adaptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Teapot View Post
    He types Donald Trump SLE. It's settled now. Everybody, go home

    Thanks @esq. So many new resources! That's gold to me.
    People actually doubted that? He's like the most quintessential SLE to have walked the face of the earth. He literally sells himself on his being Fi-polr.

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    I used to think 1D Fi too but I think Trump might actually be SEE. Now that I think about it, Tx PoLR might explain his sort of...public foolishness and gaffes and silly, exaggerated statements. His Fi PoLR thing - well, he values Se more than Fi, but he is also probably putting on an act based on what makes him (in)famous - is my read on it anyway.

    I don’t see him as representative of SEEs or Ti PoLR types though. It just dawned on me recently that he might be oblivious to how silly he sounds...claiming being a genius, or passing straightforward tests. And that Ti PoLR might explain it. I’m not that good at spotting logical gaffes, but I do have a feel of what sort of impression someone is giving. In general I have no idea how he has ever been taken seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemurianLo View Post
    He's like the most quintessential SLE to have walked the face of the earth. He literally sells himself on his being Fi-polr.
    I think the Donald is SLI-Si actually. Just one that doesn't want to get to the root of things, seeks attention, is hypocritical, accepts the status quo blindly on ethical issues("there are good people on both sides" about white nationalists vs counterprotesters in Charlottesville) and isn't able to critically assess any Ne-patterns that come his way(denies climate change, now accepts it to gain voter support, but doesn't get science), uses misleading facts(evil Ti demonstrative) as a way to manipulate voter decisions, which is a Te-goal (ie. spreads misinformation about QAnon, then says "I don't know anything. I'm just retweeting opinions". Wtf? Why does he post something he's unsure of when he spends half his term talking about "fake news"? Is he really stupid enough to think no one knows he just uses information that suits him to slander democrats?)

    He's not Se-dom because even if he has strong Se, he isn't using it. I don't see him creating strict power relations, it's more talky talky instead of do-y do-y as with SLEs.
    Only there occasionally

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkdhf qkb View Post
    I think the Donald is SLI-Si actually. Just one that doesn't want to get to the root of things, seeks attention, is hypocritical, accepts the status quo blindly on ethical issues("there are good people on both sides" about white nationalists vs counterprotesters in Charlottesville) and isn't able to critically assess any Ne-patterns that come his way(denies climate change, now accepts it to gain voter support, but doesn't get science), uses misleading facts(evil Ti demonstrative) as a way to manipulate voter decisions, which is a Te-goal (ie. spreads misinformation about QAnon, then says "I don't know anything. I'm just retweeting opinions". Wtf? Why does he post something he's unsure of when he spends half his term talking about "fake news"? Is he really stupid enough to think no one knows he just uses information that suits him to slander democrats?)

    He's not Se-dom because even if he has strong Se, he isn't using it. I don't see him creating strict power relations, it's more talky talky instead of do-y do-y as with SLEs.
    How does he value or adhere to Fi? Lol. 'Evil demonstrative' theory is bollocks - any self-honest (I know Donald isn't, but still) Te-ego is not going to lie to you about Te-facts, it would breach any Fi (or Ji in general) principles they have running in background. Especially XLIs. This is a big thing about trust there. And XLIs hate to lie ('not tell the truth') to the public. Especially if people might want them to do it because some Fe.

    Denial of climate change is more of a sign of either general N (Nx) or/and T (Te) problems. Many climate deniers do so because they prefer to stick to their Ti-interpretation of world (Ti > Te), but in Donald's case it's just very 'I don't care, I want power and to be liked' (there is also a large group that wants power and thus status quo, and they give shit about humanity in general, so, Donald goes along).

    Donald has either problems with Te (unvalued?) /or/ uses Te only to achieve his Se goals. The goals to have impact, power and following. He wants to be liked and admired.

    No way he is Ip either. Don't land for it - don't land for dishonest asses just because 'maybe they xyz type'. Whatever type, don't land for them.

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    @Duschia you make a lot of good points there However, from an information metabolism point of view, I can't see his Se in another position than ignoring and his Ne as inferior. And he's definitely not a Se-Ni valuer, he has no vision whatsoever for the US ('Make the US great again' is not a vision, it's a cold war memorabilia; it's just about nostalgia) and he doesn't ask for discipline from himself or anyone to achieve one; his campaign is mostly based on PR stunts and support rallies("look! everybody cares about me!") rather than any appeal to forceful mobilisation("I was brought to power for a reason!").

    He's also not Ep. When he does Se, it always sounds like empty threats to me; like when he threatened North Korea, I'd never believe the situation could in fact escalate because there was no real reason for it, and the Se/Ne consequences would have been completely catastrophic without any gain for western countries. It was only about Trump saying to North Korea: "Look! I'm peeing into your pool because I'm a bad bad boiiiiiii woof woof".

    I think he could be a 'weird' Ip bc most measures he implemented were not proactive, but reactive to public sentiment or party pressure(let's build a wall! let's dissolve Obamacare! etc...); even on Twitter he needs to have a retort about everything; there seems to be very little experimentation(Ep), personal convictions and rules(Ij) or ambitious proactive projects(Ej).

    I think you're right about Ti>Te for him; now I lean towards SEI-Si.
    Only there occasionally

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    According to his data my dual is the most unfaithful in marriage by a long shot even significantly worse than SEEs who Strati always paints as the biggest hos. Why do I even try?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibiscus View Post
    According to his data my dual is the most unfaithful in marriage by a long shot even significantly worse than SEEs who Strati always paints as the biggest hos. Why do I even try?
    We are the ones getting sacrificed for character development here
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